If you wanna sit here and tell anybody that injuries don't matter in the course of a season or a game then the discussion isn't worth having (and neither was the rest of you post)
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Preview Richmond vs Collingwood: Round Two
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Injuries matter, when you get them and who to.
Some injuries only impact the game at hand, some impact weeks or even the whole season.
Injuries can derail a campaign no doubt.
By the same token you can only play the opposition put in front of you, so yes Pies were not at full strength and if they get some of those players back the result could be different next time, but Tigers got the points on the weekend, did what they had to do, beat an opponent for top four to stay in the box seat for top two and guaranteed home finals
Some injuries only impact the game at hand, some impact weeks or even the whole season.
Injuries can derail a campaign no doubt.
By the same token you can only play the opposition put in front of you, so yes Pies were not at full strength and if they get some of those players back the result could be different next time, but Tigers got the points on the weekend, did what they had to do, beat an opponent for top four to stay in the box seat for top two and guaranteed home finals
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And if the Tiges had Houli, Graham and Buttler back the result would have probably been different again.
This is the most hilarious post in this thread. Houli graham and butler hey ???? Fringe players who are easily enough replaced. Are they even in the best 22? I am pretty confident that them playing or not playing had no bearing on the result of the game. Compared to say treloar de goey elliott dunn wells and then howe and scharenberg within the match - key structural and talent players that undoubtedly impacted collingwood's ability to compete. Not saying they would have won, not at all - rich are the best team in the comp and very likely would have done what was required to get over the line anyway. But to compare the absence of houli, graham and butler to some of coll's outs is just plain embarassing
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I know which post is hilarious, and it isnt mine. Houli, Graham and Buttler fringe players? Trelore and DeGooey are great player and two of your most important, I will add Howe as a very important player as well , but the others are either injury prone, almost has beens, or not remotly close to your best 22
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This is typical of oppo supporters with little knowledge of our team.
Those 3 players are crucial to our game plan. Graham and Butler are elite at applying pressure which we rely on. Houli is also crucial in supporting our drive off half back, again which we rely on to make our game plan work.. Funnily enough 2 of those players could easily have a norm smith medal.
Now whilst none of them are at Treloar or DeGoey levels of ability, they are equally as important to our system.
Could also add Conca, who before injury was second on our list for tackles behind Graham which again, we rely on to make our system effective.
All 4 players pre injury were a lock as best 22 players in the team atop of the ladder.
You guys have injuries, we all know that, but so do we.
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Lmao. When did I say injuries didnt matter?
But the fact that you have to mention youre missing 8 best 22 players when someone says Richmond won did it easily shows you have to bring it up constantly. We were missing best 22 players too, bud.
Saying you had players injured during the game would be relevant, but mentioning all the players that wernt playing is not.
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But yeh "fringe" players. LMAO.
The fact that Elliot is in that list shows it all. He has played 0 GAMES this year, yet you were sitting 3rd on the ladder. Clearly you can play well without him then? Is him missing why you lost to Richmond?
He also has never kicked more than 35 goals in a year. Yet Butler who kicked 30 goals last year (in his first AFL season) is just a fringe player? Nice bias.
Dunn is a spud, Sharenberg is a fringe player, Wells has barely played a match for your club.
Howe is a structural loss but Houli isnt? Riiiight.
What about Conca? Hes as good as half the players you mentioned and yet doesnt even get a mention.
Treloar and Degoey are the only actual losses. The other 2 during the game are just losses because of rotations.
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Butler, Graham (remember him? He's the guy who kicked 3 goals in his sixth game which was the Grand Final) and Conca are 1, 2 and 6 of our 6 top pressure players and are amongst the best in the league. Our game is based on pressure so these guys are elite in this area. And Houli is also elite in his position. All our players are cogs in the machine. All high performing role players, not necessarily media stars.
JFC you are *actually* trying to be deliberately obtuse.
A fully fit Elliott is one of the better small forwards in the game. Yes - we can play well without him, but he'd be a fantastic addition if fit, especially with Treloar and DeGoey out for a few more weeks. Sadly I don't think that will happen, but the point remains. As for "he has never kicked more than 35 goals in a year"... he kicked 34 last year, so good work on picking out a stat level just a tad above what he has done - in a season he missed 5-6 games through injury as well.
Dunn was a key part of our defensive structure, Scharenberg as well, and has been among our best this year. Wells has been poorly managed hence I've left him down the list in most discussions.
But by all means, belittle the opposition because it makes you feel better.
THIS x 100000.
Richmond were clearly the better team. Did everything they had to in order to beat the team in front of them. I don't think it's grasping at straws to suggest a fitter Collingwood side either goes much closer to, or even DEFEATS Richmond in a finals match.
This thread takes the cake. Richmond won the premiership last year, and it is acknowledged Pies have had injuries for at least past two years.
Richmond have defeated Pies twice totalling aound 12 goals. Pies supporters claim if they have their full side they would have easily won both matches?
This demeans Richmond's flag and victories against Pies. It also does not take into account Richmond injuries for 2018 because Pies supporters claim Richmond don't get injuries - forget three missing PREMIERSHIP players. Rioli and Conca have missed large parts of the year - they don't count in Pies posts. Richmond defeated Pies by 43 points in round 6 WITH DEGOEY TRELOAR DUNN!!!!!
WHERE DOES IT SAY PIES WITH FULL SIDE WOULD BEAT TIGERS? Richmond have score on the board over last two years Pies DO NOT.Pure Fantasy!!!
Beat more than one team in the current 8 before worrying about the Tiges then get back to us. Guess I will be labelled a troll for disagreeing and stating my opinion. It is how the Pies are rolling these days.
Richmond have defeated Pies twice totalling aound 12 goals. Pies supporters claim if they have their full side they would have easily won both matches?
This demeans Richmond's flag and victories against Pies. It also does not take into account Richmond injuries for 2018 because Pies supporters claim Richmond don't get injuries - forget three missing PREMIERSHIP players. Rioli and Conca have missed large parts of the year - they don't count in Pies posts. Richmond defeated Pies by 43 points in round 6 WITH DEGOEY TRELOAR DUNN!!!!!
WHERE DOES IT SAY PIES WITH FULL SIDE WOULD BEAT TIGERS? Richmond have score on the board over last two years Pies DO NOT.Pure Fantasy!!!
Beat more than one team in the current 8 before worrying about the Tiges then get back to us. Guess I will be labelled a troll for disagreeing and stating my opinion. It is how the Pies are rolling these days.
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This team would give Carlton a fair run...
In a few weeks I'm sure they'll fill out the forward line
In a few weeks I'm sure they'll fill out the forward line
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lmao. No it wouldnt. Youve got not midfield, got no ruck, got no forward line.
Only a few quality players in that list, the rest have not played any or barely played AFL (Kirby, Wills, Sier, Appleby, Sharenberg), are injury prone/spuds (Wells, Goldsack, Dunn, Broomhead, Reid).
And you wonder why youre injury list is so big, half your team is injury prone. Cull them.
Also its not really an injury if they miss no games and just couldnt play out one. So take out all those asterisk.
Meh only a moron would discount the impact of a team having lots of injuries.
People naming guys like Wells, Elliot, Reid imo are clutching at straws but i dare say if injury lists reversed the result may have been different.
People naming guys like Wells, Elliot, Reid imo are clutching at straws but i dare say if injury lists reversed the result may have been different.
Do you have anything to contribute that isn't dismissive bullshit and mandatory inclusion of the word "spud"?
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Thanks then for the acknowledgement that half the Collingwood's team is injured. That's the point others were making so it's nice you agree.
Ok Tigerman22, I'll pass the message onto the list manager.
our team of fully fit reserves would beat them
so keep chasing that rainbow piefans
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See, i can understand how you know nothing about the tigers players as you guys haven’t played finals for years, so therefore you’re on holidays and not even watching footy at that time of year.
Believe me, they would all be in your top 10. Cheerio.
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Yeah Butler and Graham are in the same class or level of importance to structure as DeGoey, Treloar, Scharenberg, Howe, Elliott, Dunn, Reid, Aish, Wells and Goldsack.
We smashed you in round 6.. You're important players were on the park that day..
Had you beaten us in round 6.. You might have a leg to stand on.
Hopefully we can meet again in the finals and of course we will play a violin for you after the game when you all sook about injuries again.
Had you beaten us in round 6.. You might have a leg to stand on.
Hopefully we can meet again in the finals and of course we will play a violin for you after the game when you all sook about injuries again.
Stop quoting players that would most likely be in the VFL anyway .
Treloar, degooey then it's daylight..
Wells?? Lol.
Why do you even bother mentioning Elliott.. Has he even played a game this year??
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Treloar and De Goey will be the two most oppo fans will recognise as the most skilful/best.
Dunn and Scharenberg are two of our three best KPDs. They’re our equivalent of your Rance and Grimes. Imagine losing those two and the impact to your backline structure - that’s what’s happened with them two going down.
Re Elliott, just because he hasn’t played all year, he wouldn’t make Collingwood a better side? I know people have short memories on here, but you don’t remember him coming back from no pre-season last year and kicking 34 from 17 games in a side that finished 13th? Pretty handy addition IMO.
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In this mythical world where Collingwood have a healthy side.....Are Richmond allowed to have a fully fit 22 as well?
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