Preview Rnd 6 - Carlton v Sydney Saturday 29th April 2.10PM @ MCG - Team post #802

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If I was to pick our strongest potential team this week..

Bring in Graham for Wright. 0 goals for 3 weeks and doesn't contribute enough elsewhere.

Cuningham in for Pickett. Same as above.

Smedts for Polson. Offers a bit more at this stage.

Kruezer in for Phillips

Jacksch in for Weitering. Only due to Weitering looking ready for a break.

Possibly Jones for Macreadie as an option to play on buddy..

Plowman Rowe White
Cuningham Marchbank Simpson
Murphy Cripps williamson
Silvagni Casboult Charlie
SPS Jacksch Smedts

Kruezer Gibbs Docherty

Fisher Graham Jones Ed

Side note: how much of a gun is Williamson! Averaging 16 disposals a game for a bloke who could virtually still be playing TAC cup. If recall correctly, the only knock on him pre-draft was his low possession count? Seems to have already put that one to bed.

Buddy would absolutely murder Jones.
 
In what possible way does this statement make sense?

I'll help you.

Rowe is being played back to support the young guys.
Throwing another 19 year old into the back-line, doesn't fit this plan.

What good would it to play Weitering back other than for him to get his hands onto the ball? Is that it?
Does Weitering need to touch the ball to make him a better player? Is this 40 year old head losing confidence needing us to prop him up?
What if he plays bad down back? Plan B?

We had a roadmap (is that the term that Bolton is using now?) but a couple of poor performances and we want to rip it up?

BTW. Rowe isn't such a great forward........that's why we put him into the back-line. Easy to forget, I guess.
 
I'll help you.

Rowe is being played back to support the young guys.
Throwing another 19 year old into the back-line, doesn't fit this plan.

What good would it to play Weitering back other than for him to get his hands onto the ball? Is that it?
Does Weitering need to touch the ball to make him a better player? Is this 40 year old head losing confidence needing us to prop him up?
What if he plays bad down back? Plan B?

We had a roadmap (is that the term that Bolton is using now?) but a couple of poor performances and we want to rip it up?

BTW. Rowe isn't such a great forward........that's why we put him into the back-line. Easy to forget, I guess.
Nah I'll help you mate.

That's complete bullshit. Swapping one on-field player for another on-field player doesn't undermine anything, particularly when the club specifically says that's the bloody plan...
 

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Nah I'll help you mate.

That's complete bullshit. Swapping one on-field player for another on-field player doesn't undermine anything, particularly when the club specifically says that's the bloody plan...

Which part is bullshit?

Rowe is not a good forward?
Rowe isn't being played down back to support Marchbank, Macreadie?
We didn't have a plan to use Weitering forward?

What are you saying?
 
Personally I think Weitering going forward is undermining his development as a backman, not to mention denting his confidence with the (in)glorious delivery from our midfield. It doesn't make sense to me to try to force two swingmen--if we need to make a change, keep Rowe back and send Weiters back where he belongs.
 
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The backline is functioning well without Weitering there, will be better once it gets some support from the midfield.

The same cannot be said for the forward line.

Rowe is a trier, easier for him to be effective down back, not so much forward.

We are better served as a team with the current set up.
 
Where he belongs in my opinion, hence the 'personally' and 'it doesn't make sense to me'.

There are good reasons why Weitering has been played forward and Rowe down back. The CFC came to this decision....and that's what matters.

It is/was/and shall be obvious why Weitering will be developed as a forward and yes he may well go back next week....but that's not the agenda.

I don't think what I put forward was bullshit as if that was the case, so would it have to be calling Boltons ways, bullshit.
 
The backline is functioning well without Weitering there, will be better once it gets some support from the midfield.
The same cannot be said for the forward line.

Rowe is a trier, easier for him to be effective down back, not so much forward.

We are better served as a team with the current set up.

Rowe has been terrific down back and doing exactly as per instruction.....and for what he trained up for through the pre-season.

Let's just mix up the whole after a fail....what can possibly go wrong? ...... and Rowe is not a forward even if he kicks six next week,
 
Which part is bullshit?

Rowe is not a good forward?
Rowe isn't being played down back to support Marchbank, Macreadie?
We didn't have a plan to use Weitering forward?

What are you saying?
I'm saying it certainly in no way goes against our "road map" to use players in multiple positions. This is particularly the case with weitering and also Rowe, so the suggestion to swap them isn't "losing the plot" or going against our own plan. Bolton has shown he's happy to back the young players in to do a job. Look no further than Friday night where he knew they were going to get smashed around.

I think Weitering should stay forward. I just won't make shit up to justify the opinion.
 
I'd be surprised if we didn't steal a game or 2 down the line, but it's difficult to see any games in which we are favourites

Ok, I hear ya.

We may not look like winning any individual games, but we will.

It will come along when you least expect it. We will catch an opponent off guard and/or everything will click for us for a game.

Like Jabba73 getting one right in a tipping competition or MEB_ liking one of my puns.....it doesn't look like ever happening, but it will one day.

You just need to be patient.
 
I'm saying it certainly in no way goes against our "road map" to use players in multiple positions. This is particularly the case with weitering and also Rowe, so the suggestion to swap them isn't "losing the plot" or going against our own plan. Bolton has shown he's happy to back the young players in to do a job. Look no further than Friday night where he knew they were going to get smashed around.

I think Weitering should stay forward. I just won't make shit up to justify the opinion.

Fair enough. I can understand a situation where we do place Rowe forward and play Weitering back, but just don't want to think that this is our plan, going forward.

We'll see soon enough but that makes for a backward and short-term step.
 

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Weitering needs to play in the backline imo. We have to establish our backline, JW and Marchbank should be FB and CHB respectively.

IMO need to establish it like this:

Byrne Weitering Plowman

Macreadie Marchbank Docherty

At the moment though, it's not feasible. Byrne is still out and Simmo and Rowe are still playing.

I think Macreadie should spend some time in the 2's, move Weits back and have Rowe stay at FB for the time being.
 
Ok, I hear ya.

We may not look like winning any individual games, but we will.

It will come along when you least expect it. We will catch an opponent off guard and/or everything will click for us for a game.

Like Jabba73 getting one right in a tipping competition or MEB_ liking one of my puns.....it doesn't look like ever happening, but it will one day.

You just need to be patient.
You know you are in trouble when something you do (poorly) becomes a running joke ...
 
There are good reasons why Weitering has been played forward and Rowe down back. The CFC came to this decision....and that's what matters.

It is/was/and shall be obvious why Weitering will be developed as a forward and yes he may well go back next week....but that's not the agenda.

I don't think what I put forward was bullshit as if that was the case, so would it have to be calling Boltons ways, bullshit.
I didn't say anything about bullshit.

I feel like you're saying that if someone disagrees with the CFC then their opinion doesn't matter, and from a club perspective it doesn't matter, but this is still a forum for discussing football. So if I feel like Weitering fits better down back then I'm going to post about it. If you're just going to respond with "well that's not what the CFC wants" every time someone has a differing opinion it's going to be a very short conversation.
 
Weitering needs to play in the backline imo. We have to establish our backline, JW and Marchbank should be FB and CHB respectively.

IMO need to establish it like this:

Byrne Weitering Plowman

Macreadie Marchbank Docherty

At the moment though, it's not feasible. Byrne is still out and Simmo and Rowe are still playing.

I think Macreadie should spend some time in the 2's, move Weits back and have Rowe stay at FB for the time being.
Doesn't the highlighted bit contradict everything written before it?
 
Fair enough. I can understand a situation where we do place Rowe forward and play Weitering back, but just don't want to think that this is our plan, going forward.

We'll see soon enough but that makes for a backward and short-term step.
Moving weitering back would be on an as needed basis. That could be match ups, or perhaps to get him in the game some more. Who knows. There's probably many reasons to do it, and Bolton has flagged that all year. Without being privy to the plans and how the players are going, I'd prefer him to stay forward and work hard for some goals.
 
I didn't say anything about bullshit.

I feel like you're saying that if someone disagrees with the CFC then their opinion doesn't matter, and from a club perspective it doesn't matter, but this is still a forum for discussing football. So if I feel like Weitering fits better down back then I'm going to post about it. If you're just going to respond with "well that's not what the CFC wants" every time someone has a differing opinion it's going to be a very short conversation.
That's not what the CFC wants
 
That's not what the CFC wants
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I didn't say anything about bullshit.

I feel like you're saying that if someone disagrees with the CFC then their opinion doesn't matter, and yeah in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter, but this is still a forum for discussing football. So if I feel like Weitering fits better down back then I'm going to post about it. If you're just going to respond with "well that's not what the CFC wants" every time someone has a differing opinion it's going to be a very short conversation.

Not at all and I'm not the one to kiss everything CFC.

1. Weitering has played the forward for a large part of his junior career. (From my understanding)
2. Rowes role is to take the gorilla and use his body (1%ers) to support the young KPD'ers
3. Rowe is not a good forward.

That's all that's required really and if Weitering has lost confidence, then back to the 2's he goes. Simple.

I wonder whether Darcy Moore and Josh Schache will be asked to play down back for not performing forward in recent weeks?
I just don't think that the answer for form is simply to re-invent the player.
 
Buddy would absolutely murder Jones.

Tippet, Reid, Buddy, Sinclair.. we need an extra tall in defence with legitimate height.

Plowman, Marchbank, Macreadie aren't able to cover those 4. Perhaps Marchbank on Reid, Rowe on Buddy, Jones on Tippet
 
Ok, I hear ya.

We may not look like winning any individual games, but we will.

It will come along when you least expect it. We will catch an opponent off guard and/or everything will click for us for a game.

Like Jabba73 getting one right in a tipping competition or MEB_ liking one of my puns.....it doesn't look like ever happening, but it will one day.

You just need to be patient.
no-one's that patient
 
Doesn't the highlighted bit contradict everything written before it?

Nope.

Right now JW probably isn't ready to play FB, I can see him maybe getting a run there against teams with the weaker FFs but against the older, stronger bodies Rowe is better suited. But I'd still want him back there in place of Macreadie so he can gel with Plowman, Doc and Marchbank.

Macreadie will get his chance there's a lot to like about him but I think he has been given a bit of a run now, time to spend a few weeks in the two's.

So we should imo go with something like this for now:

Simpson Rowe Plowman

Weitering Marchbank Docherty
 
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