Discussion Round 1 Best 22

[saint sational]

Who is Riewolt?

ohh geez ive left a 'd'.. shoot me

 

[Barrels]

ohh geez ive left a 'd'.. shoot me

Calm down cowboy, it's only amusing because he's a 281-game superstar and captain.

 

[Saint_SF]

B:Nick Riewoldt Nick Riewoldt Nick Riewoldt
HB: Nick Riewoldt Nick Riewoldt Nick Riewoldt
C: Nick Riewoldt Nick Riewoldt Nick Riewoldt
HF: Nick Riewoldt Nick Riewoldt Nick Riewoldt
F: Nick Riewoldt Nick Riewoldt Nick Riewoldt
R: Nick Riewoldt Nick Riewoldt Nick Riewoldt
I/C: Nick Riewoldt Nick Riewoldt Nick Riewoldt
SUB: Nick Riewoldt

2015 Premiers right there​

 

[Bleeds_RWB]

My Take on Round 1.

FB - Webster - Delaney - Geary
HB - Savage - Fisher - Dempster
C - Newnes - Steven - Montagna
HF - Billings - Riewoldt - Membrey
FF - Templeton - Bruce - Weller

Foll - Longer - Armitage - Dunstan

I/C - Acres - Ross - Wright

SUB - Shenton

EMER - Markworth - Ray - Gilbert - Murdoch - Curren.

I believe Longer will not be bullied as much and will take over the number 1 role. weller to play defensive forward role to start and then provide relief to montagna and other resting midfielders. Shentons my X-factor which is what you need as the sub. Can play variety of roles which covers injury and can provide speed and a will to take the game on which again is what the sub is used for these days.

Not too keen on giving Mccartin first crack at FF. but im not sold on spencer white against the big bodied stay at home defenders and Lee hasnt shown enough albeit injuries have hurt his chances. Bruce for me provides the best chance at a contest for the smaller guys to crumb.

Saad and schneider are interesting which could both see them get a gig early if any injuries take place over pre season.

tough to miss the team are Curren, Gilbert which you could make cases for.

 

[CursingFijian]

- Gilbert is unlikely to be ready round 1 based on past history, and in any event won't play CHB.
- I take it you don't rate Sam Fisher?
- We didn't grab Tim Membrey for him to play as an undersized full forward; we're not the Dogs.
- Schneider is a rookie

Thanks for the warm welcome Barrels. If Gilbert isn't ready then I see Wright stepping into that fold. It's not that I don't rate Fisher, on the contrary I think he is an all time St Kilda great. I just think he is underdone at this point in his career. Tim Membrey, by his own admission sees himself as a leading forward with a strong mark and accurate kick. I was thinking more Gunston than Crameri. I know Schneider is a rookie I still think he is in the best 22 as I have also rated Saad.

 

[Barrels]

- Gilbert is unlikely to be ready round 1 based on past history, and in any event won't play CHB.
- I take it you don't rate Sam Fisher?
- We didn't grab Tim Membrey for him to play as an undersized full forward; we're not the Dogs.
- Schneider is a rookie

Thanks for the warm welcome Barrels. If Gilbert isn't ready then I see Wright stepping into that fold. It's not that I don't rate Fisher, on the contrary I think he is an all time St Kilda great. I just think he is underdone at this point in his career. Tim Membrey, by his own admission sees himself as a leading forward with a strong mark and accurate kick. I was thinking more Gunston than Crameri. I know Schneider is a rookie I still think he is in the best 22 as I have also rated Saad.

You're welcome.

I dare say Fisher will be right after a full preseason; he's an old pro.

IMO, there's no point in putting Schneids (or Saad) into the 22 if they're not going to be there, at least initially.

 

[Defacto]

Who is Riewolt?

no one likes a spelling nazi

 

[Barrels]

no one likes a spelling nazi

Shh.

 

[pebblesofsand]

Its been a week so I'll have another go - no idea what the first team was anyway.

GWS - no great surprises - unfortunately not holding my breath about Gilbert.

Seriously hate the fact that we now have to play Hickey and Longer together or take a punt on Hickey getting through the game with a chop out from Bruce. (Bring back whats his name from Geelong!!!)

B: Geary Delaney Dempster
HB: Webster Fisher Savage
C: Montagna Armitage Newnes
HF: Murdoch Riewoldt Membrey
F: Templeton Bruce Billings
Foll: Hickey Dunstan Steven
Inter: Longer Ross Weller
Sub: Acres

 

[Rors]

The Saints lineup for Round 1:

FB: Bruce, Delaney, Dempster
HB: Geary, Gilbert, Webster
C: Armitage, Steven, Newnes
HF: Dunstan, Riewoldt, Acres
FF: Saad, Membrey, Billings
R: Longer, Montagna, Weller
I: Hickey, Curren, Schneider
Sub:Ray

Unlucky to miss out and all likely to don the green vest throughout the season are:

Wright, Ross, Saunders, White, Fisher, Templeton, Goddard, Savage

Mackenzie and Goddard will benefit from ageing bodies and bring their core skill sets to the fore sooner rather than later. Both of these players will put pressure on Savage’s position in the pecking order immediately. I hope that McCartin is given an opprtunity early in his career to learn from Roo. If White can inject a couple of extra pistons into his engine in the off season he is also a chance, however, I agree that he will start the year behind Membrey.

Markworth, Siposs, Simpkin, and Lee are all under pressure to stay on a list for different reasons. Likely retirements from Schneider and Fisher may keep a couple safe, but these guys are holding on to the bottom end of the rope.

First up, welcome, but second;

- Gilbert is unlikely to be ready round 1 based on past history, and in any event won't play CHB.
- I take it you don't rate Sam Fisher?
- We didn't grab Tim Membrey for him to play as an undersized full forward; we're not the Dogs.
- Schneider is a rookie.

Saad is also a rookie, so I hope like **** we aren't starting the season with 2 long-term injured players

 

[CursingFijian]

I dare say Fisher will be right after a full preseason; he's an old pro.

IMO, there's no point in putting Schneids (or Saad) into the 22 if they're not going to be there, at least initially.

I hope you are right about Fisher coming good as he would be a very effective real time mentor for Goddard. I am skeptical though. I think he will play sporadically this year, but physically he is well behind some of the youngsters.

Given that we have nobody on the Veterans list we should be able to nominate two rookies to fill those spots. So Saad and Schneider and a very good chance to play Round 1. If Gilbert goes back on the LTI list then we may even get to see Sinclair.

The smokie for me is McKenzie, who I understand has a very large engine. He could come on quicker than the others.

If only we had the technology to put Schneiders brains into Stanleys body!

 

[Saintos The ITK]

Shh.

Shhh

 

[dewah07]

FB: Goddard, Delaney, Dempster
HB: Geary, Gilbert, Webster
C: Weller, Dunstan, Newnes
HF: Montagna, Riewoldt, Acres
FF: Templeton, McCartin, Billings
R: Longer, Armitage, Steven
I: Hickey, Savage, Ross
Sub: Ray

i think i have finished my wish list. bruce was unlucky to miss as was wright but wiht so many B+'ers some have to be squeezed out.

i want to see what the bigger bodies of carts and GODdard can do, and were gonna win by running teams into the ground

 

[Barrels]

Shhh

You shh.

 

[Nutsngum]

Man its weird seeing a Goddard listed in our teams again.

 

[SK_MD_#7]

Man its weird seeing a Goddard listed in our teams again.

and listed down back too.

 

[walshystkfc]

So basically the Full Forward spot is out of McCartin, Membrey, White or Lee
Tommy Lee for sureee!

 

[karaoke]

FB: Goddard, Delaney, Dempster
HB: Geary, Gilbert, Webster
C: Weller, Dunstan, Newnes
HF: Montagna, Riewoldt, Acres
FF: Templeton, McCartin, Billings
R: Longer, Armitage, Steven
I: Hickey, Savage, Ross
Sub: Ray

i think i have finished my wish list. bruce was unlucky to miss as was wright but wiht so many B+'ers some have to be squeezed out.

i want to see what the bigger bodies of carts and GODdard can do, and were gonna win by running teams into the ground

No Membrey?

Won't be just best 22, but best 18 this year for us, IMO.

 

[Bull3tblitz]

So basically the Full Forward spot is out of McCartin, Membrey, White or Lee
Tommy Lee for sureee!

Membrey is a bit undersized to take the FF post, at 188cm *listed, will more than likely play off the half fwd flank as he can push up the field more than a Lee.

Lee needs to prove himself this year, as does White. They will however be given every opportunity to do so.

I think McCartin starts in Round 1 if he is good to go.

 

[saintbill]

Looking at these best 22's it is clear that even if we are rubbish next year (which we will be), it is still going to be a fascinating season to watch as a Saints fans. I have so many questions:

-Will White, Lee or Ross start to finally take the next step?
-Will Billings and Dunston back up their stellar first season and progress further?
-What will Markworth and Acres produce this year?
-What will the first year recruits show us?
-Will Nathan Wright get a decent run with injury and show us all why we were so excited about him 18 months ago?
-What is Eli capable of over a full season?
-Can Saad produce any of his 2012 form?

Can't wait to see what happens. We should know a lot more about the true state of our list in 12 months in my opinion.

 

[Keg on legs]

I'm going on the assumption we have a fully fit list. I am keen to get games into Markworth and lee ahead of this year's draftees to see what they've got when they're fit.

Gilbo pushed out in favour of developing our team sooner rather than later (plus I don't think he will be fit in any case, but as I said I'm assuming they're all fit)

Only one established ruck, could leave us a touch short, but lee to chop out as required.

Bruce is a KPD for mine, and we can build our defence short term around him and Delaney with Goddard to transition in as well over time.

Ray ahead of Curren, adds a bit of much needed experience. We can't just play kids without some support around them.

Dempster, Delaney, Geary

Wright, Bruce, Webster

Acres, Dunstan, newnes

Billings, Roo, Montagna

Templeton, Lee, membrey

Hickey, Steven, Armo

Weller, Ross, Ray

Sub- markworth

 

[felsty]

The lack of love for Fisher in some of these are appalling.
He is our general back there and we looked soooooo much better with him positioning himself across half back, not just for his defensive organisation but the way he sets us up going forward as well.

 

[Keg on legs]

The lack of love for Fisher in some of these are appalling.
He is our general back there and we looked soooooo much better with him positioning himself across half back, not just for his defensive organisation but the way he sets us up going forward as well.

Fair call. I should've known better than to have tried to throw this together with the cricket on TV and a toddler yelling in my ear! I agree, he should certainly be in my team somewhere. But with the cricket still on, and my toddler still yelling, I give up!

Maybe Ray makes way on the bench for Bruce and fisher to CHB. Gives us a bit more experience back there too.

 

[dewah07]

No Membrey?

Won't be just best 22, but best 18 this year for us, IMO.

Jesus, how good do you think he is..

For me he's battling for longer for a spot. Not to be ruck but another tall

 

[felsty]

Jesus, how good do you think he is..

For me he's battling for longer for a spot. Not to be ruck but another tall

Agree.
Think he will be an important cog but there is a lot of water to go under the bridge.
I seriously hope he cements his spot though.
We seem to have identified some attacking weapons during draft and free agency, something that I think caused us to have not many legitimate avenues to goal last year.

Fair call. I should've known better than to have tried to throw this together with the cricket on TV and a toddler yelling in my ear! I agree, he should certainly be in my team somewhere. But with the cricket still on, and my toddler still yelling, I give up!

Maybe Ray makes way on the bench for Bruce and fisher to CHB. Gives us a bit more experience back there too.

Wasn't just you, hope you didn't feel singled out.
I just think you can physically see the difference he makes back there across the whole ground.
The way we defend, the way we counter, the way he directs traffic and the way we move the ball are all completely different.
Example would be the dogs game at the end of this season, I think that was the game, we obviously didn't win but I think Fisher having a few games under his belt started to be seeing the game again, and really put his stamp on it.
Not the best player on the ground, but it was coming back to him.
So important to our short term success.