Trades Round 10 trades.

[WaynesWorld19]

Hall looks very tempting, but he has a long history of playing inconsistently and falling away badly after playing a few really good games to suck people in. Looking at recent years where he's played 10 or more games ....

2016: Averaged 125 over the first 4 games then averaged 88 over the rest of the season
2017: Averaged 101 over rounds 7-11 then averaged 88 for the rest of the year
2020: Averaged 103 from rounds 6-9 then averaged just 59 over the remaining 6 games
In 2015 he reversed it averaging 114 over the last 7 games after averaging just 48 in the first 8 games

He is at a new club and may have a new role and has certainly got the ability, but can he be trusted?

This is the first time Hall has played HBF .....his whole career has been midfield / fwd / wing

New Coach / gameplan can often throw up opportunities .....he was ready for picking last week, but I decided to miss a price increase to have one further look .....he passed the eye test

 

[gutsroy]

Zorko bloody popular trade-in this week, by the looks.
Makes sense, I guess, has the pedigree.

 

[Hava Alle]

D6 a issue after I traded Kozi to Lyons.
Forwards suck Chols but happy to get some post bye.

80k in bank .

If Powell rested I could wait a week on Cerra trade.

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No trades imo.

 

[Zim^zuM]

Steele and brayshaw vs lyons and dusty?

 

[Andrew Birch]

Hall looks very tempting, but he has a long history of playing inconsistently and falling away badly after playing a few really good games to suck people in. Looking at recent years where he's played 10 or more games ....

2016: Averaged 125 over the first 4 games then averaged 88 over the rest of the season
2017: Averaged 101 over rounds 7-11 then averaged 88 for the rest of the year
2020: Averaged 103 from rounds 6-9 then averaged just 59 over the remaining 6 games
In 2015 he reversed it averaging 114 over the last 7 games after averaging just 48 in the first 8 games

He is at a new club and may have a new role and has certainly got the ability, but can he be trusted?

You need to delve deeper into the why he used to fade so badly in seasons and also why he wasn't able to run out games previously. My understanding is that he had a serious medical condition for his whole career that affected his breathing which he had an operation on during the off-season that was successful and is he now able to play at his optimal. In previous years he was playing mid 70s TOG, where as this year from his non-injury & non-sub games he has had 85, 92, 81, 85, 80 = 84.6% TOG which is a huge jump in game time from where he was previously and backs up the point about the throat operation being the key to unlocking his playing potential. The required fitness base and cardio requirements of AFL standard just wasn't there before.

He always had the talent to be a very good player, you could see it even back in his first few seasons. Being physically unhindered & now playing a very friendly sc role it's unsurprising that he's scoring so well now, in the same way that Impey is who coincidentally also was a less than durable 60-70 guy previously mostly playing in less that friendly wing/hf & small fwd roles is doing right now at HB.

But if we're just presented with the raw data from previous seasons then I can see how people would come to the conclusion that Hall is a terrible SC pick. He does remain an ongoing injury risk by virtue of never having played anywhere near a full season before so he may well run out of steam at some point or break down, but as of right now he is in the middle of a purple patch were he has a 5 full-game average of 30 possies and 9 marks per game so jumping on and riding that wave just as we're doing with Impey and Zieball makes sense to me, especially whilst there aren't any other SC forwards apart from his teammate JZ currently averaging 110+ points per game which Hall has been doing from his non-injury, non-sub games this year.

 

[Turly]

Steele and brayshaw vs lyons and dusty?

Lyons and Dusty for sure.

 

[Me Myself and I]

Think I'll look at bringing Whitfield in soon even as early as next week if he puts up a good score this week. Has so many things going for him:

1. A lot of teams have already completed their defence and won't be able to fit him in so he could be a great POD.

A lot of teams have Laird in defence who can be moved to the mids if need be.

 

[THECHIEFTON]

You need to delve deeper into the why he used to fade so badly in seasons and also why he wasn't able to run out games previously. My understanding is that he had a serious medical condition for his whole career that affected his breathing which he had an operation on during the off-season that was successful and is he now able to play at his optimal. In previous years he was playing mid 70s TOG, where as this year from his non-injury & non-sub games he has had 85, 92, 81, 85, 80 = 84.6% TOG which is a huge jump in game time from where he was previously and backs up the point about the throat operation being the key to unlocking his playing potential. The required fitness base and cardio requirements of AFL standard just wasn't there before.

He always had the talent to be a very good player, you could see it even back in his first few seasons. Being physically unhindered & now playing a very friendly sc role it's unsurprising that he's scoring so well now, in the same way that Impey is who coincidentally also was a less than durable 60-70 guy previously mostly playing in less that friendly wing/hf & small fwd roles is doing right now at HB.

But if we're just presented with the raw data from previous seasons then I can see how people would come to the conclusion that Hall is a terrible SC pick. He does remain an ongoing injury risk by virtue of never having played anywhere near a full season before so he may well run out of steam at some point or break down, but as of right now he is in the middle of a purple patch were he has a 5 full-game average of 30 possies and 9 marks per game so jumping on and riding that wave just as we're doing with Impey and Zieball makes sense to me, especially whilst there aren't any other SC forwards apart from his teammate JZ currently averaging 110+ points per game which Hall has been doing from his non-injury, non-sub games this year.

Only thing is with Ziegull and Impey was they were much cheaper and didn't cost a trade as most people started with them. Hall isn't the worst pick but personally I'm not picking him just yet.

Forwards are cursed anyway. Not trading in any "premo" forwards this year has actually worked well so far for me..

 

[Andrew Birch]

Only thing is with Ziegull and Impey was they were much cheaper and didn't cost a trade as most people started with them. Hall isn't the worst pick but personally I'm not picking him just yet.

Forwards are cursed anyway. Not trading in any "premo" forwards this year has actually worked well so far for me..

Speak for yourself. I traded Impey in for 430k after Dunkley got injured where as Hall only cost me 419k. It doesn't make sense to me not to trade a player in just because you didn't start with them or didn't trade them in whilst they were at their lowest price, especially once it becomes obvious that they are Top5-10 in their position.

My theory is that the flakey forwards will outlast all of the reliable forwards this year. Because it's 'do the opposite' year for SC forwards.

 

[Suns of Anarchy]

You need to delve deeper into the why he used to fade so badly in seasons and also why he wasn't able to run out games previously. My understanding is that he had a serious medical condition for his whole career that affected his breathing which he had an operation on during the off-season that was successful and is he now able to play at his optimal. In previous years he was playing mid 70s TOG, where as this year from his non-injury & non-sub games he has had 85, 92, 81, 85, 80 = 84.6% TOG which is a huge jump in game time from where he was previously and backs up the point about the throat operation being the key to unlocking his playing potential. The required fitness base and cardio requirements of AFL standard just wasn't there before.

He always had the talent to be a very good player, you could see it even back in his first few seasons. Being physically unhindered & now playing a very friendly sc role it's unsurprising that he's scoring so well now, in the same way that Impey is who coincidentally also was a less than durable 60-70 guy previously mostly playing in less that friendly wing/hf & small fwd roles is doing right now at HB.

But if we're just presented with the raw data from previous seasons then I can see how people would come to the conclusion that Hall is a terrible SC pick. He does remain an ongoing injury risk by virtue of never having played anywhere near a full season before so he may well run out of steam at some point or break down, but as of right now he is in the middle of a purple patch were he has a 5 full-game average of 30 possies and 9 marks per game so jumping on and riding that wave just as we're doing with Impey and Zieball makes sense to me, especially whilst there aren't any other SC forwards apart from his teammate JZ currently averaging 110+ points per game which Hall has been doing from his non-injury, non-sub games this year.

Agree. I’ve had him a few years and been burnt, but this year is unlike any other SC year. Comes down to roles and the one he’s found is conducive to good scoring. He’s always been a lovely kick and this year’s role allows him so much space to run, bounce and hit targets. Uncontested ratio numbers through the roof, marks almost doubled.
I‘ll probably grab him again. That will now be 4 forwards in my team scoring due to their roles down back. It’s crazy.

 

[Andrew Birch]

Agree. I’ve had him a few years and been burnt, but this year is unlike any other SC year. Comes down to roles and the one he’s found is conducive to good scoring. He’s always been a lovely kick and this year’s role allows him so much space to run, bounce and hit targets. Uncontested ratio numbers through the roof, marks almost doubled.
I‘ll probably grab him again. That will now be 4 forwards in my team scoring due to their roles down back. It’s crazy.

At this stage I just want points and don't care who they're coming from. So long as I'm not paying SP prices for them. Based on current output Hall is still well priced and worth a punt imo.

 

[Suns of Anarchy]

At this stage I just want points and don't care who they're coming from. So long as I'm not paying SP prices for them. Based on current output Hall is still well priced and worth a punt imo.

After being burnt by the kent many times before, there’s is absolutely no chance I’m going to lose finals due to my opponent having him and I don’t. Let’s all get burnt together I say

 

[BFMC]

Solid week to have Thursday night teams back, currently toying with double downgrade.

Powell & Warner to RCD and Jones (if named). If Jones isn't named then hope one of Powell/Warner isn't and hold off for a week. Heeney has also played on my mind, just not sure I have the chols for that call just yet.

Would mean next week I could go Kosi to pretty much any def/mid/fwd and be down to 4 rooks on field.

Aternate option is Powell/Warner > RCD/Brayshaw. Leaves me with bugger all cash still but one less rook on the field and in a stronger position for this weeks cash league matchup (which is all I really care about tbh). After this week though Brayshaw has Port and the Doggies so maybe not the time to be bringing him in.

 

[jdwood]

Horse's comments re Heeney don't leave me feeling super confident about him. If Murphy is named, might go:

Kosi, Powell to Zorko, Murphy (via Scott).

Would obviously be going a week late on Murphy, but the rookie cupboard looks pretty grim and with byes coming up, I don't want a floating donut. If he is brought straight back into the team, it bodes pretty well for his JS.

 

[Walshy_The_Goat]

WaLkEr_ThE_StAr ....putting out some quality work, and getting much deserved recognition

Have a listen to his podcasts in our podcast thread on this board too .....

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Thanks for the love WaynesWorld19 ! We'll be releasing our next podcast this evening, so keep watch for that in the relevant thread!

 

[Andrew Birch]

After being burnt by the kent many times before, there’s is absolutely no chance I’m going to lose finals due to my opponent having him and I don’t. Let’s all get burnt together I say

It'll be fun.

 

[hoddo]

You need to delve deeper into the why he used to fade so badly in seasons and also why he wasn't able to run out games previously. My understanding is that he had a serious medical condition for his whole career that affected his breathing which he had an operation on during the off-season that was successful and is he now able to play at his optimal. In previous years he was playing mid 70s TOG, where as this year from his non-injury & non-sub games he has had 85, 92, 81, 85, 80 = 84.6% TOG which is a huge jump in game time from where he was previously and backs up the point about the throat operation being the key to unlocking his playing potential. The required fitness base and cardio requirements of AFL standard just wasn't there before.

He always had the talent to be a very good player, you could see it even back in his first few seasons. Being physically unhindered & now playing a very friendly sc role it's unsurprising that he's scoring so well now, in the same way that Impey is who coincidentally also was a less than durable 60-70 guy previously mostly playing in less that friendly wing/hf & small fwd roles is doing right now at HB.

But if we're just presented with the raw data from previous seasons then I can see how people would come to the conclusion that Hall is a terrible SC pick. He does remain an ongoing injury risk by virtue of never having played anywhere near a full season before so he may well run out of steam at some point or break down, but as of right now he is in the middle of a purple patch were he has a 5 full-game average of 30 possies and 9 marks per game so jumping on and riding that wave just as we're doing with Impey and Zieball makes sense to me, especially whilst there aren't any other SC forwards apart from his teammate JZ currently averaging 110+ points per game which Hall has been doing from his non-injury, non-sub games this year.

Great information
I didn't know about his past health problems and if that was what held him back and he's now over them it makes sense that he'll be a lot more consistent. He's always shown he has the ability to be a top performer. I like the comparison with Impey, which is very pertinent.

I can see why he's now a valid option, especially with so many top forwards going down, but when setting up my original team I decided what I wanted my final 22 to be and I've been pretty disciplined about not brining in anyone not on that list. Up forward I started with Danger, Dunkley and Dusty from that list with Ziebel, Impey and a rookie to be upgraded to Marshall, Zorko and Sidebottom over time. With current injuries I guess that makes Sidebottom my likely forward target over any player I hadn't originally listed.

For anyone simply looking for a good, value option Hall has to be right in the mix though.

 

[Andrew Birch]

Great information
I didn't know about his past health problems and if that was what held him back and he's now over them it makes sense that he'll be a lot more consistent. He's always shown he has the ability to be a top performer. I like the comparison with Impey, which is very pertinent.

I can see why he's now a valid option, especially with so many top forwards going down, but when setting up my original team I decided what I wanted my final 22 to be and I've been pretty disciplined about not brining in anyone not on that list. Up forward I started with Danger, Dunkley and Dusty from that list with Ziebel, Impey and a rookie to be upgraded to Marshall, Zorko and Sidebottom over time. With current injuries I guess that makes Sidebottom my likely forward target over any player I hadn't originally listed.

For anyone simply looking for a good, value option Hall has to be right in the mix though.

No problem. I have to give credit to our learned North supporting friend buttox for the headsup on the off-season surgery. I was 50/50 on him myself last week, but that bit of info sealed the deal for me.

 

[pieman123]

Team after trading Bowes to Ridley and Powell to Heeney, will try and do Warner to Dusty/Hind next week.

 

[stevebbb]

Save 20k and jump on the Wines train with me.

Boak has 110+ in him
Wines has 100-105 in him

I'll take my chances with the old man



oooooooooorrrrrrrr I'll take Jelly... aarrggghhh it's going to do my head in all the way up to Sunday arvo (as Powell, Jelly and Boak all play on Sunday)

 

[stevebbb]

Just patiently waiting for the Tigers injury report.
If I see "Shai Bolton has made a remarkable recovery and will be available for selection this week", you guys won't see me for a few days, as I will likely break my laptop.
Even a return in round 11 would piss me off big time, as it'll be the quickest recovery in history from a broken wrist requiring surgery ever seen.

 

[Hava Alle]

Steele and brayshaw vs lyons and dusty?

Steele and Dusty and $$$

 

[Tso1967]

Bowes to Briggs
Powell to Zorko
327k in bank

 

[Red Syrah]

Hindsight is an absolute b#$@%.
If I had brought in Hall instead of Titch last week, I would have an extra $110k + 40pts and no issues this week bringing in Oliver.But... that didnt happen, so now I'm stuck. I was going to go Hall + Heeney but have come up with a couple of other options:

$50k in bank

1. Powell + Greene > Hall/Dusty + Heeney
2. Powell + Bowes > L.Jones + Oliver/Bont/Lyons (Kosi on field + McCreery in fwd if holding Greene)
3. Powell + Bowes > C. Daniel + Heeney/Hogan ($1300 off Dusty)
4. McCreery + Powell >Hall + L.Jones - gives me a better rookie onfield (ie. Kosi/JOnes instead of McCreery, keep Greene, and have Bowes to upgrade + someone to Oliver/Bont/Lyons + rookie next week)

Just re-looked at my team and I cant see a way of keeping Greene without bringing McCreery on field. Do I trade him and keep Greene or trade Greene?

 

[Petrify]

Just patiently waiting for the Tigers injury report.
If I see "Shai Bolton has made a remarkable recovery and will be available for selection this week", you guys won't see me for a few days, as I will likely break my laptop.
Even a return in round 11 would piss me off big time, as it'll be the quickest recovery in history from a broken wrist requiring surgery ever seen.

This is how I felt with May. Kent was meant to be out for 2-4, most likely 4 Melbourne was saying, with a fractured eye socket. He misses one week and is back in. Trading him out that week and then having to trade him in because his price was so low really hurt my season.