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Calm your farm mate.

Umpires are human, no doubt they would have spoken at breaks discussing Ginni's tactics to draw a free. Maybe they decided that if he did it again during the game, then they'd let a couple go to teach him a lesson. That's not their role, they must pay a free if it's there, regardless what they think of the player.

Nobody's saying anything about a deliberate campaign. It's about umpires deciding to ignore clear free kicks to a player who shows the nous to draw a high free kick. It's also about 'experts' such as Joey Montagna having a crack at a 19 year old who has played less than 20 games.

Also, I'm glad our coach was able to get some clarity so this isn't an issue moving forward.

Who is building scenario without any evidence at all.

Gian you making cliams about Umpires ignoring (you have viewed the incidents 100% form teh iumpires view? No you have not)

Making claims about the umpires thinking, thought process, base don nothing at all.

You are just making stuff up.
 
Who is building scenario without any evidence at all.

Gian you making cliams about Umpires ignoring (you have viewed the incidents 100% form teh iumpires view? No you have not)

Making claims about the umpires thinking, thought process, base don nothing at all.

You are just making stuff up.

This has really struck a nerve with you, for whatever reason. The coach literally got clarification from the AFL that the umpires stuffed up.

Time to move on mate :thumbsu:
 
This has really struck a nerve with you, for whatever reason. The coach literally got clarification from the AFL that the umpires stuffed up.

Time to move on mate :thumbsu:

You have made stuff up, you have made definite stetements about the umpires state of mind, of which you have no evidence what so ever.
 

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The media continue to fawn themselves over Newcombe, and mind you a very good young player.

However, Nicky D's game on the weekend and season as a whole has been fantastic.

I'm glad the coaches duly gave Daics 2nd BOG behind big DC.
Newcombe was brilliant when the rain started falling and 12 tackles is huge, they would have lost by a lot more without him and Lewis.
 
I gave you literal evidence. Cup of warm milk for you.

You did not. You made statments the the ump decided to ignore clear free kicks. hat actual evedence do you have? You read their mind? YOou sawteh incident exacting formthe same spot as teh umpires? Y

You have ZERO evidnce about the ump state of mind, decison making oprocess or that actuall view they had at the time.

You made stuff up.
 
Who is building scenario without any evidence at all.

Gian you making cliams about Umpires ignoring (you have viewed the incidents 100% form teh iumpires view? No you have not)

Making claims about the umpires thinking, thought process, base don nothing at all.

You are just making stuff up.
The quotes in the paper were interesting - two frees they missed and one where they were unsighted was what it said. Suggests that they saw two high contacts, but decided not to pay them, assumedly as they thought he'd created the high contact. A bit like Darryl Hair calling Murali for chucking to me.
 
The quotes in the paper were interesting - two frees they missed and one where they were unsighted was what it said. Suggests that they saw the two high contacts, but decided not to pay them. Sounds a bit like Darryl Hair calling Murali for chucking to me.

Again you don't know exactly what the umpires saw. You did know what they thought. They view is different form the one the cameria or seats at the ground shows,different views form different directions don't show the same things. Your are speculating about the umpires decision making process through what second hand account in the paper.

or hows this wet da, close game, the umps put the whistle away, an ump lacked the bottle to be clear and srtring when the heat turned up. Complete speculation, but I think long time watching football there is tendecny to not pay frees at least little at some times in close games, especially in the wet.
 
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Again you don't know exactly what the umpires saw. You did know what they thought. They view is different form the one the cameria or seats at the ground shows,different views form different directions don't show the same things. Your are speculating about the umpires decision making process through what second hand account in the paper.

or hows this wet da, close game, the umps put the whistle away, an ump lacked the bottle to be clear and srtring when the heat turned up. Complete speculation, but I think long time watching football there is tendecny to not pay frees at least little at some times in close games, especially in the wet.
Of course I'm speculating. My speculation is based on where the umpire was positioned for that Jiath one. Really unlikely that he didn't see high contact. Why he chose not to pay it is obviously speculation.
 
You did not. You made statments the the ump decided to ignore clear free kicks. hat actual evedence do you have? You read their mind? YOou sawteh incident exacting formthe same spot as teh umpires? Y

You have ZERO evidnce about the ump state of mind, decison making oprocess or that actuall view they had at the time.

You made stuff up.

Ok, you have an irrational issue with the poor umpiring on the weekend. It may have been your brother, cousin, friend officiating so time for you to move on Pugsy.
 
Ok, you have an irrational issue with the poor umpiring on the weekend. It may have been your brother, cousin, friend officiating so time for you to move on Pugsy.

No I just have problem with people making claims about what was happening in the umpires mind without a shred of evidence.

It's just unfounded speculation.
 
You're inside the 8 and taking on the reigning premiers next week which is the biggest test in the game. You must be feeling really good where your team is at the moment especially holding on again for a close win?


This 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 is sensational.

These are all the things I’ve desperately wanted to hear from a Collingwood coach since 2012.

For years I whinged about how shit our coaching was. Not seeing improvement on closing out games, just seeing the same shit every week, the coach failing to address the problems in a simple way and even if we won the close ones always knowing it was dumb pure luck we scraped home.

You just don’t have a 37% winning rate from games decided by 6 points or less if you actually know how to coach players to fix their errors.

Thank you Fly. Thank you for being a sane, ego light, rational, practical and quality coach that doesn’t make it all about himself but makes it about teaching the playing group how to win.

And Licca - thank you for pulling strings and getting Fly to our club. This man is quality. He oozes common sense, has great judgment and maximises the absolute best out his playing group. Just imagine what he would have done with our 2016-2019 mid field…

I was right to call buckleys re-signing in 2017 the darkest day in Collingwood history. Never have we shackled ourselves to mediocrity like that just based on loyalty to an ex player.

But but 2018 GF… but but 2019 PF… he choked constantly, lost the close ones… cause he wasn’t a good coach. Oh and thanks Longmuire and Hocking for hiding all his failings and getting our playing list to perform to 80% of their capability. Nathan clearly couldn’t do it without you guys.

Im so happy to actually see quality rational coaching back at Collingwood as it’s in the best interests of Collingwood.

So hats off again to Fly. Coaches continue to do their job very well. He’s 2-0 in games decided under 6 points. Mr 100%. The first one was rather lucky, but the second one was based on hours of learning from the mistakes of the first.

Very impressive. Fly is a man of his word. Contested footy, territory team, higher scoring and more ins50s. He ticks every goal he publicly says he wants to achieve.

Then after reviewing the shambolic end to Carlton game, he implements positive change within a week. Teaches them all how to close out a game and they respond and implement changes. I couldn’t be happier.

We’ve not seen this since Malthouse. I’m so glad great coaching has returned to Collingwood.

Go Pies!
Yeah getting within one kick of a flag with a second and third string backline is disgraceful.

Give it a rest.
 
No I just have problem with people making claims about what was happening in the umpires mind without a shred of evidence.

It's just unfounded speculation.
NO

The footage on the ginni incident was unequivocal.

The umpire was within 8 meters of the incident with a completely unimpeded view for the duration of the incident.

He never took his eyes off the incident.

Motivation is irrelevant - the free was blatantly there

The umpire was perfectly positioned

He saw the entire incident.

And didn't pay the free.

There simply is no other possible interpretation.

The umpire saw the infringement.

And refused to act.
 

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