Prediction Round 13, 2024: Changes vs North Melbourne

[Cuzz09]

WCE $1.40
NM $3

Don't think we've been such big favourites since prob 2020?

Good value for North.

Genuine 50/50 imo.



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[Cuzz09]

Forecast is 10-20mm too

if we go land of the giants and slow old blokes again we're in trouble

Paul Curtis to dribble 4+ through our legs

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[Hoskin300]

It's easy for onlookers to BF to be completely bamboozled by the posting on here.
People are always calling "play the youth, play the youth" - which youth, where are they?
We've played youth all season and most of them had little to no impact.
Apart from the obvious, the remaining youth we've maintained in the 23 are often criticised and dumped in the weekly changes/ out box!
Any youth left in the Wafl are not capable or ready for AFL.
It's like we have this mythical army of talented youth standing by at the ready to launch into our best 23?

Dewar and Harvey had solid impact for their limited game time. One of them should 100% be in the team.

 

[Astro7]

Culley should be playing ahead of Sheed for a start.

Johnston played well in the WAFL to start the year to earn a debut. Quiet game last week but I'd argue he should have been persevered with. Burgiel building into some form now too.

Dewar stiff to cop the sub a few times and has looked handy, could have played yesterday.

I don't think Hall is far off a debut. So the options aren't very mythical.

Simpson's logic that HJ etc can't run out games doesn't really hold up when the seniors went absolutely missing late in the game yesterday too.

Yep, I know who the obvious players are, as mentioned. But they're not out there for a reason, not good enough to keep a spot, depends on game day match ups or injuries. Out of the ones mentioned Culley, Hall and Dewar are next likely candidates, so that's 3 players.
Hutchinson won't get a run until post bye.
My point really was the call for youth to play, they get played then dumped or put in the out-box of changes for the next match...so it's a fickle business, but hey what's new?
An example is Trew, was called to play for weeks, posters saying "what he does he have to do to get a game?" - finally played, not much impact, posters now calling him slow and wanting him to be dropped? He's in the out-box.
You see my point?
But like many, I'm 'hoping' Culley and Hall will make more of an an impact..and Dewar looks likely to get more games under his belt.
I'm all for playing youth btw...

 

[Hoskin300]

Yep, I know who the obvious players are, as mentioned. But they're not out there for a reason, not good enough to keep a spot, depends on game day match ups or injuries. Out of the ones mentioned Culley, Hall and Dewar are next likely candidates, so that's 3 players.
Hutchinson won't get a run until post bye.
My point really was the call for youth to play, they get played then dumped or put in the out-box of changes for the next match...so it's a fickle business, but hey what's new?
An example is Trew, was called to play for weeks, posters saying "what he does he have to do to get a game?" - finally played, not much impact, posters now calling him slow and wanting him to be dropped? He's in the out-box.
You see my point?
But like many, I'm 'hoping' Culley and Hall will make more of an an impact..and Dewar looks likely to get more games under his belt.
I'm all for playing youth btw...

But whats your logic for saying guys like Harvey and Dewar weren't good enough to keep their spots?

Trew literally played 20% of the game. How could you possibly say he 'didnt have much impact'.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

We know many of the young fringe players may not be 'good enough' at this point.

Just like the senior players haven't been good enough for the last 4 years.

Sheed and Gaff especially should only be selected when injuries dictate we must. At this stage, they don't. I'd rather show faith in the former than revert to the latter.

The Beagles improving does help the counter argument, I'll agree with that. But losing that match yesterday shows the folly in selection this week. Would playing a whole game on Steele be better for Sheed or Culley long term, for instance.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

We know many of the young fringe players may not be 'good enough' at this point.

Just like the senior players haven't been good enough for the last 4 years.

Sheed and Gaff especially should only be selected when injuries dictate we must. At this stage, they don't. I'd rather show faith in the former than revert to the latter.

The Beagles improving does help the counter argument, I'll agree with that. But losing that match yesterday shows the folly in selection this week. Would playing a whole game on Steele be better for Sheed or Culley long term, for instance.

There’s no way a team including Hall/Johnston can withstand the defensive intent and congested nature of yesterday’s game.

We include them and we lose by 10 goals in 2nd half, not 3.

The kids will play when they show they’re pushing for a place in the team.

Just like any other side.

 

[Hoskin300]

There’s no way a team including Hall/Johnston can withstand the defensive intent and congested nature of yesterday’s game.

We include them and we lose by 10 goals in 2nd half, not 3.

The kids will play when they show they’re pushing for a place in the team.

Just like any other side.

This is such garbage lol. There’s absolutely no reason Harvey / dewar would have been any worse than jones based on what we have seen this year.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

There’s no way a team including Hall/Johnston can withstand the defensive intent and congested nature of yesterday’s game.

We include them and we lose by 10 goals in 2nd half, not 3.

The kids will play when they show they’re pushing for a place in the team.

Just like any other side.

I don't think those few senior players make us a 7 goal better side in a half. I recall an away game against the Pies we fought and won with an inexperienced side before we reverted to type when some more experienced players returned.

FWIW I thought Gaff and Sheed were okay yesterday, especially in the first half. They went missing like most of the side yesterday when the game was on the line in the last.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

This is such garbage lol. There’s absolutely no reason Harvey / dewar would have been any worse than jones based on what we have seen this year.

Jones is specifically playing as a pressure forward.

If there was anyone in WAFL who would come in to play that role is probably Rawlinson.

It certainly isn’t Dewar or Johnston.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

I don't think those few senior players make us a 7 goal better side in a half. I recall an away game against the Pies we fought and won with an inexperienced side before we reverted to type when some more experienced players returned.

FWIW I thought Gaff and Sheed were okay yesterday, especially in the first half. They went missing like most of the side yesterday when the game was on the line in the last.

What are young players bad at? Generally it’s defensive structure and intent and their tanks.

Absolutely we would have lost all ability to stop St Kilda from getting quality clearance and then doing additional damage with ball movement.

People gloss over the huge leap from WAFL to AFL.

Anyone not in yesterday’s team has a huge gap to bridge to get in to the seniors on a regular basis.

None, bar possibly Culley are remotely close.

 

[Hoskin300]

Jones is specifically playing as a pressure forward.

If there was anyone in WAFL who would come in to play that role is probably Rawlinson.

It certainly isn’t Dewar or Johnston.

If jones was playing as a pressure forward he performed poorly in the role. Two tackles for the game and they walked it out everytime. Cripps had 2.5x the pressure acts.

If we are forcing 26 year olds into the team to play roles there’s no reason why we can’t let a 19 year old try that role.

Jones has been shit this year and quite simply shouldn’t be selected.

 

[Astro7]

We know many of the young fringe players may not be 'good enough' at this point.

Just like the senior players haven't been good enough for the last 4 years.

Sheed and Gaff especially should only be selected when injuries dictate we must. At this stage, they don't. I'd rather show faith in the former than revert to the latter.

The Beagles improving does help the counter argument, I'll agree with that. But losing that match yesterday shows the folly in selection this week. Would playing a whole game on Steele be better for Sheed or Culley long term, for instance.

For sure, I agree, if they are ready? What determines this, why does match committee not select them? We don't really know the reasons and continually revert to the 'credits crew' explanation.
I wonder if they want to play around with different player combos etc, affording the luxury of losing while at the bottom, as long as we get more wins than last year its ok.
Then we'll likely see a more realistic best 23 post bye.

Maybe the Saints game was a Claytons tank - the tank you have when not having a tank?
Simpson doesn't subscribe to the tank notion or playing/losing for better draft picks. Reckons we go out to win every time. But he has to say that. If you're around the bottom end, and it's not often you get down there in a team's history - why wouldn't you maximise the opportunity to do so? It's a fine line between getting enough wins to be an improvement on last season, keeping the fan base happy and getting some good draft picks...

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

If jones was playing as a pressure forward he performed poorly in the role. Two tackles for the game and they walked it out everytime. Cripps had 2.5x the pressure acts.

If we are forcing 26 year olds into the team to play roles there’s no reason why we can’t let a 19 year old try that role.

Jones has been shit this year and quite simply shouldn’t be selected.

Yep, and if one of Brockman/Long was available, he wouldn’t be.

The answer isn’t in any of the blokes you threw.

FWIW Dewar looks comfortable at the level, but between him and Ryan the ball would just walk out of our forward line.

 

[Hoskin300]

Yep, and if one of Brockman/Long was available, he wouldn’t be.

The answer isn’t in any of the blokes you threw.

FWIW Dewar looks comfortable at the level, but between him and Ryan the ball would just walk out of our forward line.

There’s absolutely no reason why one of those guys couldn’t have played instead of jones. Jones applied minimal pressure and hasn’t been known for that in the past. Give dewar or Harvey that focus for the game and see what they can do.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Can’t really judge until WAFL game is done but I’d go with

IN : Hunt. Waterman. Kelly, Culley
OUT : Chesser, J.Williams, Edwards, Maric

It’s going to rain so gotta get some bigger bodies. Feels a game for Culley and Trew to have a go

 

[Tugga27]

For sure, I agree, if they are ready? What determines this, why does match committee not select them? We don't really know the reasons and continually revert to the 'credits crew' explanation.
I wonder if they want to play around with different player combos etc, affording the luxury of losing while at the bottom, as long as we get more wins than last year its ok.
Then we'll likely see a more realistic best 23 post bye.

Maybe the Saints game was a Claytons tank - the tank you have when not having a tank?
Simpson doesn't subscribe to the tank notion or playing/losing for better draft picks. Reckons we go out to win every time. But he has to say that. If you're around the bottom end, and it's not often you get down there in a team's history - why wouldn't you maximise the opportunity to do so? It's a fine line between getting enough wins to be an improvement on last season, keeping the fan base happy and getting some good draft picks...

We're not good enough to tank.

And there's no way a coach whose fighting for his career is going to even consider not "maximise the opportunity" to
try and get a win.

 

[Tugga27]

Yep, and if one of Brockman/Long was available, he wouldn’t be.

The answer isn’t in any of the blokes you threw.

FWIW Dewar looks comfortable at the level, but between him and Ryan the ball would just walk out of our forward line.

They walked it out yesterday.

JJ isn't AFL quality.
Surely it's not hard to find someone to just put pressure on in the forward line.
It's not that hard.

JJ is taking us nowhere IMO.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

They walked it out yesterday.

JJ isn't AFL quality.
Surely it's not hard to find someone to just put pressure on in the forward line.
It's not that hard.

JJ is taking us nowhere IMO.

Yet when JJ plays WAFl he is out and out better than the others named here.

I agree with the general view- Jones is poor and likely delisted at the end of the year.

The blokes mentioned in here as suitable replacements this week, or last week are so far off it’s not funny.

 

[Avalor]

There’s no way a team including Hall/Johnston can withstand the defensive intent and congested nature of yesterday’s game.

We include them and we lose by 10 goals in 2nd half, not 3.

The kids will play when they show they’re pushing for a place in the team.

Just like any other side.

Physically, both are ready. You don't need to be a he-man. Look at Bobby Hill, or Henry from the Saints, for example. Johnston is big enough for an outside role. Hall is big enough inside or outside.

 

[Cuzz09]

Teams walk it out every week v us.

Even in our wins the oppo have scored pretty easily.

Need that manic McCreery style intensity just crazy chasing and manning the mark.

Love JD and JW but once the ball hits the ground they stay i50

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[Hoskin300]

They walked it out yesterday.

JJ isn't AFL quality.
Surely it's not hard to find someone to just put pressure on in the forward line.
It's not that hard.

JJ is taking us nowhere IMO.

Yeah exactly.

Yet when JJ plays WAFl he is out and out better than the others named here.

I agree with the general view- Jones is poor and likely delisted at the end of the year.

The blokes mentioned in here as suitable replacements this week, or last week are so far off it’s not funny.

He’s not really lol. You are exposing yourself here big time.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Yeah exactly.

He’s not really lol. You are exposing yourself here big time.

Mate. I watch the WAFL almost every week. Based on form Jones deserved his call up in front of Johnston, and hall who has been injured/interrupted.

If the kids want a call up, then all they need to do is continue to develop, improve and out their hand up.

It’s not a tough team to break into.

 

[Tugga27]

Mate. I watch the WAFL almost every week. Based on form Jones deserved his call up in front of Johnston, and hall who has been injured/interrupted.

If the kids want a call up, then all they need to do is continue to develop, improve and out their hand up.

It’s not a tough team to break into.

Begs the question, when do they look at someone like JJ whose been in the system for years and is not going to improve?

I don't think Johnston or Hall could be any worst and at least we can have a look at them.

 

[Hoskin300]

Mate. I watch the WAFL almost every week. Based on form Jones deserved his call up in front of Johnston, and hall who has been injured/interrupted.

If the kids want a call up, then all they need to do is continue to develop, improve and out their hand up.

It’s not a tough team to break into.

Before jones was recalled Johnson had been better at wafl level and afl level. Thats why Johnston was picked over jones in the first place lol. We then preceded to play Harvey as the sub for two weeks and drop him.