Autopsy Round 13, 2024: Positives and Negatives vs North Melbourne

[Seadog]

It seems like every muppet and twat out there is on the 'let's put the boots in on the Eagles!'

i have watched the Yeo incident countless times, and any which way you dice it, it is not holding the ball.

He didn't drag it in, he picked it up. Anyone not from the umpiring fraternity can see it.

 

[MrsBlueSky]

He didn't drag it in, he picked it up. Anyone not from the umpiring fraternity can see it.

I'm only joking but even tho it cost the Eagles the game, Yeo deserved to be pinged in payback for that tackle he put on Clay Hall in the pre season that I reckon prevented Hall from playing straight up in game one in the AFL.
If Hall was picked a while back then he'd be a pretty good player by now and could easily replace Dom or Gaffy.

 

[Keys]

The problem with the HTB rule is that it’s interpretation is so broad and intentionally vague that almost any decision can be argued as correct whether it’s paid or not

So with Yeo there’s enough wriggle room to argue it was HTB whilst simultaneously being able to say a ball up was fair had that been the decision

The litmus test is what would the reaction have been if it wasn’t called. I genuinely doubt much fuss would’ve been made if the umpire called for a ball up

 

[Ace McKane]

Didn’t take long for them to contradict their own interpretation

I was at the game. The umpiring at times was just baffling. An absolute lucky dip. Was very interesting to see the amount of fans from both sides (big Vic clubs) who were unhappy with this decision in particular.

Absolute bloody circus.

 

[maverick001]

I posted this in the media thread, its worth chucking here too.

Gotta love how Leigh isn't afraid to call bullshit.

The AFL umpiring & rules is as shambolic as its ever been. Gone are the days of the umpires just making mistakes. The AFL have now got so twisted up in trying to reshape the game how they want it, that they've re-interpreted rules to the point they now go against the core of how we know this game is meant to be played, and then created different interpretations for each different scenario within a rule, then those interpretations change over time, then they make it worse by backing in wrong decisions which just increase an already confusing situation...............

It really is guesswork now knowing which way an umpiring call may go at any given time. Good luck to the players trying to figure out the rules to which they are expected to adhere

 

[Feeling Groovy]

Gotta love how Leigh isn't afraid to call bullshit.

The AFL umpiring & rules is as shambolic as its ever been. Gone are the days of the umpires just making mistakes. The AFL have now got so twisted up in trying to reshape the game how they want it, that they've re-interpreted rules to the point they now go against the core of how we know this game is meant to be played, and then created different interpretations for each different scenario within a rule, then those interpretations change over time, then they make it worse by backing in wrong decisions which just increase an already confusing situation...............

It really is guesswork now knowing which way an umpiring call may go at any given time. Good luck to the players trying to figure out the rules to which they are expected to adhere

And then when the rules are clear and a suspension is warranted, they can fall back on the "good guy" defence...

I watched a game on Sunday (I think) where two players from opposing teams waited for someone else/the other to pick up the ball as they didn't want it and risk getting tackled and holding the ball. It is a joke. Reward the player going at the ball and making the play FFS.

 

[MrsBlueSky]

And then when the rules are clear and a suspension is warranted, they can fall back on the "good guy" defence...

I watched a game on Sunday (I think) where two players from opposing teams waited for someone else/the other to pick up the ball as they didn't want it and risk getting tackled and holding the ball. It is a joke. Reward the player going at the ball and making the play FFS.

I think that happens a fair bit. I put the waiting game down to to not wanting to smack their heads together and get concussed.
When someone lies on the ball and wins the game, the rules should be changed. So that's not going to happen anymore with the new rule. And if you're a NM fan you'd like the new rule even more.
Concussion is the number one concern in the AFL atm but nothing can stop two teammates running into each other like what happened to poor Duggan.

 

[Doashuey]

The problem with the HTB rule is that it’s interpretation is so broad and intentionally vague that almost any decision can be argued as correct whether it’s paid or not

So with Yeo there’s enough wriggle room to argue it was HTB whilst simultaneously being able to say a ball up was fair had that been the decision

The litmus test is what would the reaction have been if it wasn’t called. I genuinely doubt much fuss would’ve been made if the umpire called for a ball up

Yep. Unfortunately for Yeo, picking the ball up when you aren't on your feet opens you up for HTB, regardless of prior or not.
I think it was a harsh adjudication, especially given the game situation and location of the call, but there is enough scope in the rules that it could be successfully argued (or defended if you are the AFL) that the call was correct.
Most Eagles fans wont like it and it didn't sit well with me at the time but I can understand why it is considered a correct call.

 

[RookiePick]

Having the rules being a vague shitshow where anything can be justified as a correct call is hardly an ideal end game.

They called it completely differently in the goal square of yesterdays match. How do you reason your way through that? Yeo actively trying to win the ball is punishable but taking possession because the ball bobbled into your lap is somehow different?

The rules are a shambles of ifs, buts, with a liberal seasoning of guesswork. That's before you get to the layer of who the player is, who the team is, is it finals or not etc that plagues the game.

 

[BSD]

Yep. Unfortunately for Yeo, picking the ball up when you aren't on your feet opens you up for HTB, regardless of prior or not.
I think it was a harsh adjudication, especially given the game situation and location of the call, but there is enough scope in the rules that it could be successfully argued (or defended if you are the AFL) that the call was correct.
Most Eagles fans wont like it and it didn't sit well with me at the time but I can understand why it is considered a correct call.

The laws state that an umpire shall award a free kick against a player who dives on top or drags the ball underneath their body and fails to immediately knock clear or correctly dispose of the football when legally tackled.
Yeo was on his knees and never dived or dragged the ball underneath his body.
It is an absolute disgrace that 3 games on the weekend were influenced by umpire errors.
Dillon , Kane and McBurney should all be sacked for incompetence and replaced by Lethal Leigh Matthews who knows more about football than the 3 of them combined

 

[Bender_]

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[Doashuey]

The laws state that an umpire shall award a free kick against a player who dives on top or drags the ball underneath their body and fails to immediately knock clear or correctly dispose of the football when legally tackled.
Yeo was on his knees and never dived or dragged the ball underneath his body.
It is an absolute disgrace that 3 games on the weekend were influenced by umpire errors.
Dillon , Kane and McBurney should all be sacked for incompetence and replaced by Lethal Leigh Matthews who knows more about football than the 3 of them combined

I know he didn't, despite the commentators at the time saying he dragged it under, that was clearly not the case. My point is that if you are not on your feet when you take possession of the ball and you get tackled, there is a much higher likelihood of the umpire pinging you. Correct or not, that's how the game has been adjudicated for a long time now so I was not surprised it was given the tick.
You will get no argument from me that the umpiring this year has been up to shit. But as for last weekends game, I am reluctant to get too upset by the Yeo call given we kicked 2.15 in 3 quarters of a game of footy on a dry deck, at home, against possibly the worst side that has ever masqueraded as an AFL team. The comeback was fun but WC had no right to win that game and North did. The result was just.

 

[Bacchus]

I know he didn't, despite the commentators at the time saying he dragged it under, that was clearly not the case. My point is that if you are not on your feet when you take possession of the ball and you get tackled, there is a much higher likelihood of the umpire pinging you. Correct or not, that's how the game has been adjudicated for a long time now so I was not surprised it was given the tick.
You will get no argument from me that the umpiring this year has been up to shit. But as for last weekends game, I am reluctant to get too upset by the Yeo call given we kicked 2.15 in 3 quarters of a game of footy on a dry deck, at home, against possibly the worst side that has ever masqueraded as an AFL team. The comeback was fun but WC had no right to win that game and North did. The result was just.

All the points you make are valid.

But the umpiring decision must be looked at in isolation. Yeo did not drag the ball in, the AFL is trying to make us see the emperor’s new clothes, and the decision is incorrect. It may have been the difference between us winning and not winning the game. The AFL could not admit to three shoddy umpiring calls deciding games so they chose one.

The narrative that we kicked 2.15 on a dry deck against poor opposition and therefore NM deserved to win and the result was just so consequently the poor umpiring served a higher cause doesn’t sit entirely comfortably with me. Maybe we deserved to win because we came home with a wet sail and they folded.

The umpiring decision was incorrect and cannot be justified, rationalised or excused on any grounds.
Trying to balance the ‘good result’ with ‘the faulty means’ doesn’t work for me.

The decisions need to be correct irrespective of what has preceded them, like the ball being incorrectly called a point in Adelaide v Sydney last year.

 

[FKASC]

The umpires would have been paranoid about failing to call HTB given the much publicised focus on calling it early rather than letting tackles linger on.

And because it was in a critical position they would have over compensated trying too hard not to let that influence their (non) decision.

I don’t envy the umps at all - the league changing interpretations constantly throughout the season, it’s absolutely bananas.

 

[Doashuey]

All the points you make are valid.

But the umpiring decision must be looked at in isolation. Yeo did not drag the ball in, the AFL is trying to make us see the emperor’s new clothes, and the decision is incorrect. It may have been the difference between us winning and not winning the game. The AFL could not admit to three shoddy umpiring calls deciding games so they chose one.

The narrative that we kicked 2.15 on a dry deck against poor opposition and therefore NM deserved to win and the result was just so consequently the poor umpiring served a higher cause doesn’t sit entirely comfortably with me. Maybe we deserved to win because we came home with a wet sail and they folded.

The umpiring decision was incorrect and cannot be justified, rationalised or excused on any grounds.
Trying to balance the ‘good result’ with ‘the faulty means’ doesn’t work for me.

The decisions need to be correct irrespective of what has preceded them, like the ball being incorrectly called a point in Adelaide v Sydney last year.

Im not saying that the call was justified because we didnt deserve to win. Im saying that I dont really think we should be crying blue murder over a bad decision when we were so awful. There is a lot of hand wringing over it, yeah I think it was not there but I think the over reaction and melts probably need to be put in some perspective.

 

[UseR2006]

Im not saying that the call was justified because we didnt deserve to win. Im saying that I dont really think we should be crying blue murder over a bad decision when we were so awful. There is a lot of hand wringing over it, yeah I think it was not there but I think the over reaction and melts probably need to be put in some perspective.

Good to know we can only complain about garbage decisions when we win.

 

[Doashuey]

Good to know we can only complain about garbage decisions when we win.

This board will complain about a reasonable decision when we flat track a team by 20 goals. Do what you like, it just comes across as being a sore loser in my book. North played better for longer and definitely wanted it more.. whinging about an umpires decision when you get beated at home by a basket case is not something Im keen to do but go ahead. It was an ordinary decision but Im not going to lose sleep over it. That's footy.

 

[Goroyals22]

The razor wades into yeos decision


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[donpyke92]

Interesting Razor mentions internationals, Ireland v Aus.
Our great game seems to be heading towards Gaelic footy a bit, perhaps a hybrid with Aus kick.
Sad.

 

[bzparkes]

Interesting Razor mentions internationals, Ireland v Aus.
Our great game seems to be heading towards Gaelic footy a bit, perhaps a hybrid with Aus kick.
Sad.

As long as Zooper goals make a comeback I think it'll be alright