Prediction Round 13: Changes Vs Hawthorn + pre-match discussion

[Randomizor]

Would send a really poor message to drop a guy after he kicked 4 goals. I personally think sonny would have a better game than him next and BB will revert back to his usual form, but you gotta reward players for good games. And sonny can have an extra week and the bye to make sure that hammy is good

Walters can’t keep his feet in the dry, would be an absolutely liability in the wet. Banfield keeps his spot, and Walters can go find some “confidence”’ in the WAFL.

 

[Bastyy]

I can't believe we're actually at a point where i'd be disappointed for Banners to get dropped

 

[Boomer93]

Hughes should stay in until Chapman returns. He played alright. He’s an okay player - it’s just our normal back seven are better than okay.

Don’t **** with team balance more than we need to. We’re already doing so by bringing Fyfe in.

If that means Walters and Switta sit out another week and/or become medi-sub then so be it.

There is no way switta stays out another week. He's been one of our best players this season. Even if JL wanted to keep Hughes in for balance instead of Aish spending more time back there, there are a number of players that would be dropped for switta.

Colyer has absoloutly turned me in to a fan this season, he's playing really well. But there will never be a time switta is fit and playing wafl while colyer plays afl imo

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

The rhetoric here is ridiculous.

Simply. We just beat a premiership favorite. We won that match, because Banfield was there. He is a good mark, he is a smart forward. He hits the score board. Many of his stats are unders because he has been sub.

What can this bloke do apart from play a game against the 2nd premiership favourite, than play a game that matched close enough to the oppositions best player in Zac Bailey.

I simply do not understand - I think it is looking at individuals qualities as a star rating, and then picking a team on quality, like how high they can jump, or how fast they can run, plonking them together and expecting them to win. You need to pick players that win you games of football.

It is stupendous to even consider dropping Banfield. I guess if a player like Sturt managed a game like that in the WAFL, people would be screaming him for to get selected. No dig here at Sturt, because he will be a great player at the level if his body permits, but in seriousness, htf could you even mention dropping a player that played one of the games of the season as a small forward?

Further reality check. Depth this season is key. Reward form, earn your spot. Our Captain showed that by going through the WAFL, and I suspect, if he played we would not have won. The dynamic of the team and confidence of the coaches in the selected team shows.

I look forward to watching the match again, as, at the ground it was so electric maybe I got carried away with a few performances, like Logue and Aish in the atmosphere. I also liked Hughes's game, after so long out - admittedly I have always been a fan of his though, so a bit bias here. In 18 years, as a dedicated member, in the top 10 of all time at home. And for mine, Banfield was in the top 5 on ground, but sure lets drop him...

I'm sorry but I think this is equally ridiculous. If a player had a single bad game, would you be calling for him to be dropped? Banfield had a single good game, there are players that on average, week in, week out, play better then him.

Switta is coming back into the side, he is a better player than Banfield, there is no debate on this. If Switta is coming into the side, tell me who you are dropping

 

[Barra_Mundy]

This was more or less our lineup against Brisbane:

Full Back	Ryan	Pearce	Walker
Half Back	Clark	Cox	Young
Centre	Aish	Brayshaw	Acres
Half Forward	Frederick	Lobb	Colyer
Full Forward	Logue	Meek	Shultz
Followers	Darcy	Brodie	Serong
Interchange	Hughes	Mundy	Tucker
	Banfield	*Crowden

Players to come in would potentially be Fyfe, Taberner, Switkowski and Walters, assuming Tabs and Walters are fit. But it's hard to drop four guys after a game like that. I think that Fyfe comes in for Tucker. And Tabs comes in for Meek. But the smalls had a really good game and you can't justify dropping the usual suspect in Banfield after four goals. I think Switta's form this season warrants coming straight back into the side. Colyer probably the very unlucky one to make way for him, shift to medi sub. And then Walters unlucky to probably force his way back in through Peel. With Fyfe's leadership in that area, Sonny should be willing to do that. So my 22 for Hawthorn would look something like this:

Full Back	Ryan	Pearce	Walker
Half Back	Clark	Cox	Young
Centre	Aish	Brayshaw	Acres
Half Forward	Frederick	Taberner	Switkowski
Full Forward	Logue	Lobb	Shultz
Followers	Darcy	Fyfe	Serong
Interchange	Hughes	Mundy	Brodie
	Banfield	*Colyer

This way players are staying in their roles and it's not getting too unbalanced. I think Hughes stays in until Chapman's back, he played a tidy game and filled his role pretty well I thought. If you were to drop Hughes I think it shuffles the team around too much. But yeah just my thoughts on the changes.

 

[Lach72]

I'm sorry but I think this is equally ridiculous. If a player had a single bad game, would you be calling for him to be dropped? Banfield had a single good game, there are players that on average, week in, week out, play better then him.

Switta is coming back into the side, he is a better player than Banfield, there is no debate on this. If Switta is coming into the side, tell me who you are dropping

Tucker

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Tucker

Different roles, and I'm 99% sure Fyfe is not playing WAFL again, especially with the bye. The man himself basically said it.

At a minimum, Fyfe and Switta are coming into the team, this is not at you Lach but if Banfield is untouchable after 1 game, instead of screaming "you all just hate Banfield", people need to justify who they'd drop instead.

 

[Lach72]

Different roles, and I'm 99% sure Fyfe is not playing WAFL again, especially with the bye. The man himself basically said it.

At a minimum, Fyfe and Switta are coming into the team, this is not at you Lach but if Banfield is untouchable after 1 game, instead of screaming "you all just hate Banfield", people need to justify who they'd drop instead.

I could make an argument that Schultz is in danger

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I could make an argument that Schultz is in danger

Fair enough but I think that's getting carried away with recency bias. Over the course of this year, and even up until half time on the weekend, Schultz, has been a significantly better performer than Banfield on average. Banfields case is now hurt further with how Logue is playing as a forward.

Everyone thinks its unfair to drop Banfield after that game, is not equally unfair to the others who have been better than him basically every single week that he gets picked ahead of them on one game?

 

[WilloTree]

OK Ok, we've all had our bit of fun potting Bailey Banfield

41

Bailey Banfield

Age

26

Ht

190cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

6.5

4star

M

2.9

3star

T

3.9

5star

G

0.3

3star

D

9.5

2star

K

5.3

2star

HB

4.3

3star

M

2.0

2star

T

2.8

4star

G

0.5

4star

D

14.4

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

6.8

5star

M

3.8

4star

T

3.2

5star

G

0.2

3star

. It's time to put this to bed.

R1 - 10 disposals, Kicked 1.2 Played his role. TICK
R2 - Shitshow. Kicked 0.0 Schultz 0.0 Frederick 0.1 Tough day for forwards.
R3 - 6 marks, kicked 1.1 Played his role. TICK
R4 - Sub
R5 - 10 Disposals, Kicked 2.2 TICK
R6 - Sub
R7 - Sub
R8 - 18 disposals, 8 Marks, Kicked 2.3. Outstanding. TICK
R9 - Didn't hit the scoreboard, but had 11 disposals, 3 Tackles, 3 inside 50s. Schultz, Fredericks and Colyer kicked 1 goal between them. as well. PASS
R10 - Shitshow
R11 - Sub
R12 - Outstanding TICK

I'm not saying he's Wayne Carey or even best 22 when everyone is available. But I'm more than comfortable with him as depth or 23rd Man.

We need to stop potting him on reputation now though. He's better than that, and so are we.

 

[Scham]

Different roles, and I'm 99% sure Fyfe is not playing WAFL again, especially with the bye. The man himself basically said it.

At a minimum, Fyfe and Switta are coming into the team, this is not at you Lach but if Banfield is untouchable after 1 game, instead of screaming "you all just hate Banfield", people need to justify who they'd drop instead.

I think you could go Tucker and Mundy, or Tucker and Meek.

 

[Lach72]

Different roles, and I'm 99% sure Fyfe is not playing WAFL again, especially with the bye. The man himself basically said it.

At a minimum, Fyfe and Switta are coming into the team, this is not at you Lach but if Banfield is untouchable after 1 game, instead of screaming "you all just hate Banfield", people need to justify who they'd drop instead.

not a different role at all. Tucker has basically been drifting off half forward looking incompetent.

Fyfe should play WAFL until the Carlton game. I want him fit and firing

 

[Lach72]

I think you could go Tucker and Mundy, or Tucker and Meek.

Yeah I’m not dropping Mundy and Meek was interesting. having him there means Lobb is a FF full time. I like it, and Logue means we can rotate the rucks off the bench..li also like it.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I think you could go Tucker and Mundy, or Tucker and Meek.

So now we are dropping / "resting" Mundy instead of Banfield...

Meek I might be able to see an argument for. The forwardline without either Tabs or Lobb for a bit would be an interesting mobile medium sized menace which would be cool to see

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

not a different role at all. Tucker has basically been drifting off half forward looking imcompetent.

Fyfe should play WAFL until the Carlton game. I want him fit and firing

Didnt someone just say he had lots of CBA's on the weekend?

 

[Boomer93]

not a different role at all. Tucker has basically been drifting off half forward looking imcompetent.

Fyfe should play WAFL until the Carlton game. I want him fit and firing

People keep saying they only want a fit and firing Fyfe. I don't understand this at all. A 50% fit fyfe spending a fair bit of time on the bench is worth a lot more to us then Darcy Tucker playing HFF, who has very little forward smarts, is slow, and not a great mark.

I mean fyfe could go back and play Hughes role miles better then Hughes can play it and I would never play Fyfe back.

He had his warm up now he's straight back in to the side. We need to get Fyfe up and in to form as soon as possible, especially if it actually improves us by bringing him in over a guy like Tucker. We can't afford to drop many more games if we want a top 2 spot.

 

[serial_thrilla]

I think there's a case to give Mundy a fortnight's rest to freshen him up. He's the least accountable of our inside mids bar maybe Brodie, so Fyfe would be a straight swap. You'd be able to then switch Switta with Tucker.

Then as for Walters he's either the sub, or we switch him with Meek if the weather is looking wet. Fyfe then rolls forward as the third tall.

Tabs and Chappy then get an extra couple of weeks to recover.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

People keep saying they only want a fit and firing Fyfe. I don't understand this at all. A 50% fit fyfe spending a fair bit of time on the bench is worth a lot more to us then Darcy Tucker playing HFF, who has very little forward smarts, is slow, and not a great mark.

I mean fyfe could go back and play Hughes role miles better then Hughes can play it and I would never play Fyfe back.

He had his warm up now he's straight back in to the side. We can't afford to drop many more games if we want a top 2 spot.

To me, people are scared of ripping the band-aid with Fyfe. The midfield is "mostly" firing (we seem to forget the Collingwood and GC games very quickly) and they dont want to risk seeing what happens when you had a dude not known for his defensive output. He's playing this week, I'm pretty sure about that

 

[Lach72]

People keep saying they only want a fit and firing Fyfe. I don't understand this at all. A 50% fit fyfe spending a fair bit of time on the bench is worth a lot more to us then Darcy Tucker playing HFF, who has very little forward smarts, is slow, and not a great mark.

I mean fyfe could go back and play Hughes role miles better then Hughes can play it and I would never play Fyfe back.

He had his warm up now he's straight back in to the side. We can't afford to drop many more games if we want a top 2 spot.

We have Switkowski and Crowden who can take Tucker’s role and perhaps Sonny is ready too. There is no rush for Fyfe. He just played his first game in ten months. I want him for the next 4 years

 

[Scham]

So now we are dropping / "resting" Mundy instead of Banfield...

Meek I might be able to see an argument for. The forwardline without either Tabs or Lobb for a bit would be an interesting mobile medium sized menace which would be cool to see

I don't disagree with you but I really can't see the match committee dropping him, I really can't. In any case, I'm sure we'll have some flu or random training injuries so the debate with be moot.

 

[Scham]

Didnt someone just say he had lots of CBA's on the weekend?

What are CBA's?

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I don't disagree with you but I really can't see the match committee dropping him, I really can't. In any case, I'm sure we'll have some flu or random training injuries so the debate with be moot.

Yeah, it's hard, problem for Banners is he's now competing with fellow match committee favourites in Switta, Walters, Schultz, Colyer and Freddy. They'd have to keep one of them out of the side.

Your right though, I assume we'll get a case of dengue fever through the list this week and the call is made for them

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

What are CBA's?

Centre bounce attendance

 

[Van_Dyke]

Didnt someone just say he had lots of CBA's on the weekend?

it looked like he was starting exclusively at half forward at centre bounces in the 2nd half

So now we are dropping / "resting" Mundy instead of Banfield...

Meek I might be able to see an argument for. The forwardline without either Tabs or Lobb for a bit would be an interesting mobile medium sized menace which would be cool to see

i wouldn't be too opposed to giving barra rest, age seems to be getting to him the last two weeks at times

 

[DaveLister]

If it's wet as the forecast shows, I'm not bringing Taberner back.
Lobb, Logue, Banfield and Fyfe have enough aerial presence to bring the ball to ground in the wet.
Switta and Walters are both good ins for the conditions but I don't want to rush Walters back with the hammy.
Meek was okay but he took away from Darcy's game and we can't go with 3 rucks in the rain.
Tucker just isn't fast enough by foot or by mind to hold his spot.
Doubt Chappy is back for a few more weeks, hopefully the hammy is a 3-weeker, thankfully the bye is coming up and Hughes is decent coverage.
I'd also note that Chappy's wet weather form isn't great and Hughes' bodyline mentality is

Switta and Fyfe in for Meek and Tucker.

Walters, Taberner and Chappy back in after the bye