Review Round 18, 2022 vs Melbourne

[Ford Fairlane]

 

[RossFC]

The same story at both AFL and SANFL level.

 

[philreich]

Despite my fear of being called an imbecile like everyone else, Pickett has managed to kick 26 goals from 16 games in just his third year in the comp. He can’t have been that bad this year.

Would I want him at Alberton? Absolutely!!!!!!!!! And I reckon he'd be an instant upgrade on Fantasia - simply by virtue of the fact that he's on the field.

 

[DBrowJ]

I don't know if anyone mentioned Robbie playing midfield for the second half. Seemed a bit of, our season is on the edge of death, our historical saviour will do it again.
But he couldn't

 

[Janey]

I don't know if anyone mentioned Robbie playing midfield for the second half. Seemed a bit of, our season is on the edge of death, our historical saviour will do it again.
But he couldn't

I love Robbie, have done since day dot, but I sincerely hope he retires at the end of this season. I would hate to see him go round again next year and only a shadow of his former self.

 

[x_les_x]

You see the intensity and want of pickett to run both ways create havoc and use his speed. Farrell is arguably as equally as talented but soooooooooooooooooo lazy. Sad thing is he can actually do the same if he wanted to. Front runner Simon Philips style. When he does the two way running he gets the 15+ disposals and goals.

Amon looked super disinterested. Goodluck to whoever picks him up next week. Loves an out on the full early in games to kill momentum.

Finlayson/Dixon actually did a good job albeit Gawn is still injured. You can tell we have set stoppage play now with Finlayson copping 5 clearances and using his kick to deliver inside 50

Georgiades oh boy nowhere near it. You saw their defence big strong boys Tomlinson Lever Hibberd May with Petty and Smith in the wings. All around 190cms 90kg + then you turn and see our bombscare defence. Envious of their bonafide premiership backline

When Gray can no longer outbody, kick clutch goals and kick further than 35m thats when you just about have to call it a day for the sake of your team.

Shining light was Mr Burgerman. Such a smooth mover, reliable kick and in the air. Often forget he was pick 14 had a few setbacks but is a rare breed thst plays better at AFL level rather than SANFL

 

[mynameissilver]

Premiership teams have always had great defences. I don't care who you put in the coaches box. If we don't get this area of the ground sorted we will always be a mid table team with the occasional good year but never quite good enough to go all the way. How many times do we get burnt by season best performances by opposition forwards?
This team is seriously sending me bonkers. *ing *ing *ing. What happened to the duck? I'm opening another bottle of red.
Oh yeah and sack Hinkley!

 

[longdonkey]

Yeah why not be on the bench developing?

Hinkley wouldn't want him in the box - not enough experience.

 

[longdonkey]

Thoughts:

• Skills are sub par for a team that should be pushing for a flag.
• Stupid decision to play Bonner over Burgoyne - yeah, Riley has been having a good season and has been hitting contests etc., but that doesn't mean he's suddenly become a hard nut with a high pain tolerance. He was always going to put in that performance.
• We are still missing Lycett. Scott frees up Dixon to stay forward and stretches the opposition defence while at the same time providing that needed linkup extra mid. Teakle could also do the same thing. Hayes should be able to, but doesn't.
• Pickett absolutely destroyed us while our guy who could do something similar in Fantasia hasn't taken the field all year.
• Powell-Pepper had another one of his 'almost' games - could have had three goals, ended up with zero.
• Rozee - 33 disposals, 3 tackles, 4 clearances, 6 inside 50s, 1 goal and 1 goal assist. Stick that in your piehole, King.
• Conversely - Gray had 23 disposals for the grand total of 136m gained. That's less than 6m per disposal. Butters was almost as bad with 20 disposals at 180m gained. Not good enough - Gray is an old man so him dinking the ball around is understandable, but Zak shouldn't be trying to emulate him.
• But as for the player who was the most useless - that goes to Georgiades. And I use the word useless not as an insult, but a statement of fact - Georgiades had 4 disposals (1 contested possession) with disposal efficiency of 25% for 18m gained. He had a shot on goal at one point from about 30m out that missed to the near side. So his other 3 disposals were actually negative in terms of moving the ball forward. We were literally playing with 17 men on the field when he was out there.
• Actually, make that 16 - Farrell was almost as bad. This has always been his problem - not keeping involved in the play.
• On the flip side, Bergman and Drew had solid games.

Last year, we didn't have the midfield to go with teams like Melbourne. With the rise of Rozee, I don't believe that to be the case anymore. The problem is that we need a Rozee up forward as well. In the draft, I want us to target the best small forward there is. If he can play mid as well, great. But he needs to have pace and make things happen the way that Pickett does.

I think Robbie's low metres gained/disposal had a bit to do with handballing plus when he was confronted by a defender he didn't have the power in the legs to get around him which either made him kick across his body or go sideways. I think it has as much to do with bad knees than anything else.
Our tactics were woeful tried to stretch their zone because of the big ground but just lead to slow play and inevitably poor entries into 50.
Using Dixon and Finlayson is a mega-defensive tactic what it attempts to do is give us an extra ground player to get another stoppage and hopefully win clearances by having extra players at the 2nd ball up.

If we lose clearances we will get taken to the cleaners. Our tactics to win appears to be win clearances, take the ball forward, hold it in the forward line and rely on individual moments of brilliance from our forward to kick a score. If any of those things fall down we lose because our backline is set up to intercept mark untidy kicks from the opposition and kick forward. If they have to defend one on one we will lose because they are too small for the bigs and too slow for the smalls.

We lose because we have no method. We have no method because our coaching is extremely poor. White Noise.

And we continue to make the same mistakes which is the most frustrating thing. Trying to make Farrell a forward again - STOP THAT.
Not playing Hayes.
No fast defender to check Pickett. Backed Burton to do more damage than Pickett and Burton still had a reasonable offensive game.
Played Bonner after a layoff - his first game back is generally not great.
As usual we had lost the game before we got on the oval I personally didn't think we were going to win at any stage yesterday - just hoped.
And worse thing of all when Pickett started kicking goals was there any change - NO. Neil Craig coaching at its best.

There seems to be a lot of torching players going on here. Not one of the real reasons we lost are on the players just decisions that were made before the game was played.

 

[Windy Cindy]

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Another nomination for a rebrand to the Port Adelaide Fluffers. Happy we can lend other clubs a hand on their journey.

I love Robbie, have done since day dot, but I sincerely hope he retires at the end of this season. I would hate to see him go round again next year and only a shadow of his former self.

Pulled his kids enrollment from adel school and his wife said they are moving back to melb.

 

[philreich]

Given the largely contact free style of play by both teams and the beautiful weather conditions, both teams skill levels at time were appalling

They were just a bit less appalling than us

Confidence / mind set is so important in modern football

I think you can tell who was the more confident mentally

That's on the coaching

Sack the spud

It'll be interesting to see how the Dees go against the Dogs this weekend. Before yesterday, they had lost 4 of their previous 6 games - if they also succumb to Footscray, perhaps it suggests how far off the pace we are.

 

[bomberclifford]

Pulled his kids enrollment from adel school and his wife said they are moving back to melb.

Who? Gray?

 

[PowerLil]

The Facebookers that attributed the loss to Hinkley NOT being there. Sigh.

For those of us that witnessed Bassett-Norwood era, yesterday's game was nothing of that kind. It was as you expect of a stand in coach, to implement the current game style and most of the typical positional moves.

People are stupid. The media are stupid. CD said in Friday's presser Hinkley was coaching. Bassett said it in every single interview and presser today plus the post match presser he wasn't coaching. The performance was so Hinkley.

 

[WheeloRatings]

Kosi Pickett scored more than triple his 2 year average player ratings points per game of just under 10. Almost worthy of spuds that tear us apart. Almost!

To get 29.9 ratings point starts to put you in rare company. Maybe 8 to 10 times a year someone records 30+ pts in a game.

Maybe WheeloRatings can confirm how many players score 30 pts a game each year, or for last year and this year so far.

Genius defensive coaching and execution by Chad and others today to give him so much space. Could have played Burgoyne on Kosi.

Sure, here is the data I have back to 2012. Pickett's score of 29.9 is the equal 10th highest this year.

Ratings point scores of 30+, 2012 to Round 18 2022

Season​	30s​	40s​	50s​	Best​	Player	Team
2012​	17​		1​	50.5​	Lance Franklin	Hawthorn
2013​	19​			36.6​	Tom Lynch	Adelaide
2014​	17​			35.4​	Josh J. Kennedy	West Coast
2015​	12​			35.8​	Patrick Dangerfield	Adelaide
2016​	23​			37​	Patrick Dangerfield	Geelong
2017​	15​			38.4​	Lance Franklin	Sydney
2018​	16​	1​		40.4​	Jake Melksham	Melbourne
2019​	7​			35.4​	Max Gawn	Melbourne
2020​				29.8​	Tom Hawkins	Geelong
2021​	5​	1​		41​	Clayton Oliver	Melbourne
2022​	9​			35.1​	Toby Greene	Greater Western Sydney

Players with 3+ matches scoring 30+ ratings points, 2012 to Round 18 2022

Player	30+​	Best​
Dayne Zorko	8​	37.4​
Patrick Dangerfield	8​	37​
Gary Ablett	8​	36.9​
Dustin Martin	6​	35.9​
Lance Franklin	5​	50.5​
Scott Pendlebury	5​	36.3​
Nat Fyfe	5​	35.5​
Jack Steven	3​	36.2​
Todd Goldstein	3​	36​
Max Gawn	3​	35.4​
Josh J. Kennedy	3​	35.4​
Jack Riewoldt	3​	35.3​
Joel Selwood	3​	35.1​
Ryan Griffen	3​	34.7​
Daniel Rich	3​	32.1​
Patrick Cripps	3​	32.1​
Dane Swan	3​	32​

Highest individual scores for Port Adelaide, 2012 to Round 18 2022

Season​	Player	Team	Opposition	Rating​
2012​	Matthew Broadbent	Port Adelaide	Gold Coast	35.9​
2014​	Jay Schulz	Port Adelaide	Western Bulldogs	34.9​
2019​	Scott Lycett	Port Adelaide	Carlton	33.7​
2016​	Robbie Gray	Port Adelaide	Gold Coast	33.4​
2016​	Justin Westhoff	Port Adelaide	Brisbane	32.3​
2016​	Chad Wingard	Port Adelaide	St Kilda	31.6​
2013​	Cameron O'Shea	Port Adelaide	Greater Western Sydney	31.2​
2016​	Robbie Gray	Port Adelaide	Essendon	30.3​
2014​	Jared Polec	Port Adelaide	Greater Western Sydney	30.2​
2013​	Chad Wingard	Port Adelaide	Adelaide	30.2​
2012​	Travis Boak	Port Adelaide	Gold Coast	29.5​
2017​	Paddy Ryder	Port Adelaide	Western Bulldogs	29.3​
2016​	Robbie Gray	Port Adelaide	St Kilda	29.0​

 

[Enviable Tradition]

People are stupid. The media are stupid. CD said in Friday's presser Hinkley was coaching. Bassett said it in every single interview and presser today plus the post match presser he wasn't coaching. The performance was so Hinkley.

Smart move Bassett

 

[Stryke]

Pulled his kids enrollment from adel school and his wife said they are moving back to melb.

Was she shaking her head at the time?

 

[Steve Dore]

The same story at both AFL and SANFL level.
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If only that was something that could be addressed by coaching.

 

[rogerjames]

yeah, that was curious, drew was unwilling to kick, switched play and 10 odd possies later we were having a kick from further out and a tighter angle.
i dont mind drew but at some stage he needs to become a real man and come out of boaks shadow

Yeh wat pathetic play but typical. Kick for goal or play seconds.

 

[Windy Cindy]

Who? Gray?

Mrs. gray

 

[It Just Is]

Sure, here is the data I have back to 2012. Pickett's score of 29.9 is the equal 10th highest this year.

Ratings point scores of 30+, 2012 to Round 18 2022

Season​	30s​	40s​	50s​	Best​	Player	Team
2012​	17​		1​	50.5​	Lance Franklin	Hawthorn
2013​	19​			36.6​	Tom Lynch	Adelaide
2014​	17​			35.4​	Josh J. Kennedy	West Coast
2015​	12​			35.8​	Patrick Dangerfield	Adelaide
2016​	23​			37​	Patrick Dangerfield	Geelong
2017​	15​			38.4​	Lance Franklin	Sydney
2018​	16​	1​		40.4​	Jake Melksham	Melbourne
2019​	7​			35.4​	Max Gawn	Melbourne
2020​				29.8​	Tom Hawkins	Geelong
2021​	5​	1​		41​	Clayton Oliver	Melbourne
2022​	9​			35.1​	Toby Greene	Greater Western Sydney

Players with 3+ matches scoring 30+ ratings points, 2012 to Round 18 2022

Player	30+​	Best​
Dayne Zorko	8​	37.4​
Patrick Dangerfield	8​	37​
Gary Ablett	8​	36.9​
Dustin Martin	6​	35.9​
Lance Franklin	5​	50.5​
Scott Pendlebury	5​	36.3​
Nat Fyfe	5​	35.5​
Jack Steven	3​	36.2​
Todd Goldstein	3​	36​
Max Gawn	3​	35.4​
Josh J. Kennedy	3​	35.4​
Jack Riewoldt	3​	35.3​
Joel Selwood	3​	35.1​
Ryan Griffen	3​	34.7​
Daniel Rich	3​	32.1​
Patrick Cripps	3​	32.1​
Dane Swan	3​	32​

Highest individual scores for Port Adelaide, 2012 to Round 18 2022

Season​	Player	Team	Opposition	Rating​
2012​	Matthew Broadbent	Port Adelaide	Gold Coast	35.9​
2014​	Jay Schulz	Port Adelaide	Western Bulldogs	34.9​
2019​	Scott Lycett	Port Adelaide	Carlton	33.7​
2016​	Robbie Gray	Port Adelaide	Gold Coast	33.4​
2016​	Justin Westhoff	Port Adelaide	Brisbane	32.3​
2016​	Chad Wingard	Port Adelaide	St Kilda	31.6​
2013​	Cameron O'Shea	Port Adelaide	Greater Western Sydney	31.2​
2016​	Robbie Gray	Port Adelaide	Essendon	30.3​
2014​	Jared Polec	Port Adelaide	Greater Western Sydney	30.2​
2013​	Chad Wingard	Port Adelaide	Adelaide	30.2​
2012​	Travis Boak	Port Adelaide	Gold Coast	29.5​
2017​	Paddy Ryder	Port Adelaide	Western Bulldogs	29.3​
2016​	Robbie Gray	Port Adelaide	St Kilda	29.0​

Jake Melksham stands out like dogs balls on that list. Any idea what game that was in?

His best game in 2018 looks to have been 21 + 5 goals in a 109 point rout of Carlton. Fair day at the office but surprised it rates top 3 for the decade.

 

[sobrave]

Jake Melksham stands out like dogs balls on that list. Any idea what game that was in?

His best game in 2018 looks to have been 21 + 5 goals in a 109 point rout of Carlton. Fair day at the office but surprised it rates top 3 for the decade.

Not to mention Matty broadband having the best port game ever in 2012

 

[WheeloRatings]

Jake Melksham stands out like dogs balls on that list. Any idea what game that was in?

His best game in 2018 looks to have been 21 + 5 goals in a 109 point rout of Carlton. Fair day at the office but surprised it rates top 3 for the decade.

Yes that's the game! According to the AFL.com.au article linked at the bottom of this post, a big reason for his score was his effectiveness - only one passage of play he was involved in reduced his rating and he only lost 0.02 points for that play. He would have picked up a lot of points from his contested possessions where he either scored a goal himself or got his team into a much better scoring position.

Buddy, Stevie J, Gaz... and Jake Melksham?

Dee forward joins the greats with fifth-best game since 2010

www.afl.com.au

 

[tribey]

Not to mention Matty broadband having the best port game ever in 2012

Check out his numbers in that three-week block of wins.

Turned 22 in August that year, and averaged a tick under 20 & 1 for the season.

Bit annoying how he did that Salopek/Hartlett-type thing of looking like a superstar midfielder before being shuffled back as a typecast flanker.

 

[Lefti93]

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Check out his numbers in that three-week block of wins.

Turned 22 in August that year, and averaged a tick under 20 & 1 for the season.

Bit annoying how he did that Salopek/Hartlett-type thing of looking like a superstar midfielder before being shuffled back as a typecast flanker.

man i miss brogsy.

 

[sobrave]

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Check out his numbers in that three-week block of wins.

Turned 22 in August that year, and averaged a tick under 20 & 1 for the season.

Bit annoying how he did that Salopek/Hartlett-type thing of looking like a superstar midfielder before being shuffled back as a typecast flanker.

Can we blame hinkie