Autopsy Round 18 = Collingwood 62-91 Carlton

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I do my own Brownlow predictor on excel, I give my own votes and also document every teams best players from every game using the AFL website.

Fun (for lack of better term) fact for ya, Jack Martin has only been in Carlton’s best players TWICE this year.

Round 2 vs Collingwood
Round 18 vs Collingwood.

Not once in between.. Collingwood is to Jack Martin what North is to Josh Bruce. If there was ever proof needed that we can make average footballers look great, that about does it for me.
 
Gee terrible second half, I was banking on another storming finish there but it just never got going.

First half looked pretty good too. Some very good signs from Henry and Ruscoe I think, those guys should hold their spots the remainder of the year. Too few others held up their end of the bargain though
 
Disappointing after quarter time really.
Harvey needed to make some moves and he just sat there as stunned as the fans were watching.
You’re the coach not a spectator. Need to find ways to change the flow of a game.
 

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magpies42 said:
People on here are inherently dumb. The same people asking for Buckley’s head are complaining about today’s outcome. What do you expect? So dumb. I feel like creating a a dumb to dumber ranking of the posters here
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gouki88 said:
I reckon weirdly we’ll get over Port. They’re pretenders once more
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Yeah also think we will. They’re no good.

We nearly got over them mid year and we were abysmal for three quarters. I don’t think I’ve ever left a match so angry at the performance I’d just witnessed
 
Robroy22 said:
Is it really SO hard to shake hands and say "Beaten by a better side on the day?"
They're NOT much better than us....but they were today...move on?
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They’re one point away from being both the side we performed best against and worst against simultaneously this year from a pure +/- perspective. Weird year, but really it just underlines what an even competition it is such that every single one of our margins this year has basically fallen within those two benchmarks.

It’s literally a good or a bad quarter every week that dictates how we go.
 
Sunbot said:
Time to think about trading Grundy for Josh Kelly at the end of the season?
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No point dreaming about trading Grundy. He would have to be carried out in a coffin to leave the club with the deal he is on and the very ordinary form he has been in for 2 years now. The same deal will prevent us ever being able to offload him to another club. He is now the albatross we are forced to wear around our collective neck.
 
For three quarters, Collingwood had firm control of the lead and the game before giving Carlton complete control and dominance in the last quarter to fail by 29 points. The Magpies showed no desire to compete for the ball at all and executed their skills poorly during that disastrous final term, whereas the Blues played the game on their terms without being challenged. It is extremely disheartening that the Woods were able to put three competitive quarters together when they had enough control and scoreboard pressure to stay ahead of the game. Collingwood capitulated and undid all of the work that allowed them to lead by as much as 20 points at one stage, before the Blues gave the Pies the blues when it truly mattered. In a nutshell, I was pleased that Collingwood put three quarters together, but the manner in how they played and lost in that horrid fourth quarter will leave the players and coaching staff searching for solutions.

Collingwood won their statistical categories from disposals by +7 (357 - 350), handballs were won by +22 (142 - 120), while uncontested possessions had a differential of +19 (227 - 208). Hit-outs went Collingwood's way by +9 (32 - 23), +20 for tackles (62 - 42), with Tackles Inside 50 up by +4 (10 - 6). Uncontested marks had an advantage of +5 (99 - 94), with Marks Inside 50 won by +2 (14 - 12). Carlton gained control from kicks by +15 (230 - 215), won contested possessions by +13 (136 - 123), clearances had a margin of +14 (36 - 22), while centre clearances were won by +5 (13 - 8), with stoppage clearances up by +9 (23 - 14). Contested Marks were won by +3 (21 - 18), and Inside 50s had a gap of +9 (54 - 45). Intercept possessions (68 each) was the only statistic in dispute from today's game.

Jordan De Goey (31 disposals @ 74%, 507 metres gained, 6 contested possessions, 25 uncontested possessions, 4 intercept possessions, 19 kicks, 12 handballs, 12 marks, 2 tackles, 8 score involvements, 6 Inside 50s & 2 Rebound 50s) was the only player that won his position convincingly. De Goey worked extremely hard to take marks, while producing scoring chains with high regularity. De Goey is evolving as a midfielder in recent times.

Taylor Adams (24 disposals @ 62%, 260 metres gained, 10 contested possessions, 14 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 10 kicks, 14 handballs, 8 tackles, 2 score involvements, 5 clearances, 2 centre clearances, 3 stoppage clearances & 4 Inside 50s) played solidly without tearing the match apart. Adams was the only player to win 5 clearances, which highlights Taylor's importance to the team.

Scott Pendlebury (18 disposals @ 61%, 277 metres gained, 9 contested possessions, 9 uncontested possessions, 5 intercept possessions, 11 kicks, 7 handballs, 4 marks, 5 tackles, 2 clearances, 2 stoppage clearances, 3 Inside 50s & 2 Rebound 50s) played his worst game of the season, and perhaps his career with a number of inexplicable skill errors that significantly diminished his ability to impact the game meaningfully. Pendlebury is normally exemplary with his skills and ability to hit targets. He did not achieve those levels today.

Jack Crisp (17 disposals @ 88%, 225 metres gained, 7 contested possessions, 10 uncontested possessions, 6 intercept possessions, 7 kicks, 10 handballs, 5 marks, 2 Contested Marks, 3 tackles, 2 score involvements, 2 Inside 50s & 3 Rebound 50s) had an average game with no impact on the match, other than his ability to consistently hit targets effectively.

Brodie Grundy (16 disposals @ 75%, 293 metres gained, 10 contested possessions, 6 uncontested possessions, 27 hit-outs, 9 kicks, 7 handballs, 3 marks, 2 Contested Marks, 2 tackles, 1 goal assist, 3 score involvements, 3 clearances, 2 stoppage clearances & 4 Inside 50s) started the game like a house on fire in the opening term, and maintained that level of excellence in the second term. His body of work after half time though was incredibly awful and deplorable, where he failed to give his midfield first use in the centre and from stoppages, while allowing inexperienced ruckmen in Tom De Koning and Jack Silvagni to neutralise or outpoint him aerially at ruck contests.

Steele Sidebottom (16 disposals @ 75%, 292 metres gained, 4 contested possessions, 12 uncontested possessions, 3 intercept possessions, 13 kicks, 3 handballs, 5 marks, 2 tackles, 5 score involvements, 2 Inside 50s, 2 Rebound 50s & 1 goal) looked to gain territory with his possessions after taking marks, which allowed his team opportunities to hit the scoreboard.

Chris Mayne (26 disposals @ 92%, 240 metres gained, 4 contested possessions, 22 uncontested possessions, 7 intercept possessions, 18 kicks, 8 handballs, 10 marks, 3 tackles, 3 score involvements & 3 Rebound 50s) defended impeccably once again with several intercept marks coupled with controlled ball use to find targets exiting out of defence.

John Noble (25 disposals @ 80%, 455 metres gained, 6 contested possessions, 19 uncontested possessions, 7 intercept possessions, 16 kicks, 9 handballs, 11 marks, 4 tackles, 1 goal assist, 5 score involvements, 2 Inside 50s & 2 Rebound 50s) made an effort to take the game on by surging the ball forward after taking marks, while also displaying desire to create scoring chains from half-back.

Trey Ruscoe (23 disposals @ 83%, 223 metres gained, 8 contested possessions, 15 uncontested possessions, 7 intercept possessions, 12 kicks, 11 handballs, 5 marks, 4 score involvements, 3 Inside 50s & 2 Rebound 50s) played his best game for the club as a defender learning how to play his position, after his previous games for the Magpies have been as a forward with mixed results, but largely ineffective. Ruscoe looked comfortable behind the ball won he won possession and made an effort to hit simple targets, especially after taking marks.

Isaac Quaynor (22 disposals @ 91%, 246 metres gained, 7 contested possessions, 15 uncontested possessions, 6 intercept possessions, 10 kicks, 12 handballs, 7 marks, 3 tackles, 2 score involvements & 4 Rebound 50s) demonstrated his will and desire to win the ball and take the game on. Unfortunately, Quaynor either coughed the ball up or got caught in tackles he could not break to allow fluent and continuous ball movement for his team to keep hitting the scoreboard.

Jamie Elliott (19 disposals @ 58%, 303 metres gained, 11 contested possessions, 8 uncontested possessions, 11 kicks, 8 handballs, 6 marks, 2 Contested Marks, 3 Marks Inside 50, 3 tackles, 2 goal assists, 5 score involvements, 5 Inside 50s, 2 Rebound 50s & 1 goal) looked likely and lively up forward with his creativity to set up scores and goals, while taking regular marks up forward to provide his teammates an option.

Trent Bianco (16 disposals @ 69%, 251 metres gained, 4 contested possessions, 12 uncontested possessions, 3 intercept possessions, 11 kicks, 5 handballs, 7 marks, 3 Rebound 50s & 1 goal) found a way up forward to win possession, worked high up the ground to take marks and nailed his shot at goal before Carlton went into overdrive later on in the game.

Brody Mihocek (14 disposals @ 64%, 359 metres gained, 6 contested possessions, 8 uncontested possessions, 11 kicks, 3 handballs, 9 marks, 2 Contested Marks, 3 tackles, 3 Tackles Inside 50, 1 goal assist, 6 score involvements, 4 Inside 50s & 1 goal) had a relatively good game up forward where he took marks on the wing and across half forward and chimed in with a major on what was a solid game for him.

Oliver Henry (12 disposals @ 58%, 157 metres gained, 3 contested possessions, 9 uncontested possessions, 8 kicks, 4 handballs, 7 marks, 4 Marks Inside 50, 5 score involvements & 3 goals) gave Collingwood fans a glimpse into his capabilities with a commanding first half where he clunked marks up forward and booted some terrific goals which allowed Collingwood to have a lead at each of the first two quarters. Once supply up forward had dried up, so did Henry's ability to become influential.

Collingwood's next game will be against Port Adelaide at Marvel Stadium on July 23. Look to salvage as many victories from the wreckage of the 2021 season as possible. The Magpies will now remain in Victoria to play the Power after South Australia went into lockdown for a week. A marvellous victory on the Power’s adopted home ground at Marvel Stadium on Friday night would be absolutely wonderful.
 
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So the club is reaping what is has sewn, may do for a couple of years.

In the meantime continue the pile on, the club deserves it, pile on until the last remnants of the last decade are gone or we're in the middle of or just witnessed a dynasty - whichever comes first.

They'll learn by ways of supporter dissent, on field like now, or off field like now, or a combination of all. Until it's turned around for the positive like I've pointed out then continue the pile on.

FU Collingwood only got yourselves to blame, started to make a mends but got a long way to go. Buckle up for some years of pineapple from the supporters.

You sh*t in our face we sh*t in yours.
 
Swooper18 said:
For three quarters, Collingwood had firm control of the lead and the game before giving Carlton complete control and dominance in the last quarter to fail by 29 points. The Magpies showed no desire to compete for the ball at all and executed their skills poorly during that disastrous final term, whereas the Blues played the game on their terms without being challenged. It is extremely disheartening that the Woods were able to put three competitive quarters together when they had enough control and scoreboard pressure to stay ahead of the game. Collingwood capitulated and undid all of the work that allowed them to lead by as much as 20 points at one stage, before the Blues gave the Pies the blues when it truly mattered. In a nutshell, I was pleased that Collingwood put three quarters together, but the manner in how they played and lost in that horrid fourth quarter will leave the players and coaching staff searching for solutions.

Collingwood won their statistical categories from disposals by +7 (357 - 350), handballs were won by +22 (142 - 120), while uncontested possessions had a differential of +19 (227 - 208). Hit-outs went Collingwood's way by +9 (32 - 23), +20 for tackles (62 - 42), with Tackles Inside 50 up by +4 (10 - 6). Uncontested marks had an advantage of +5 (99 - 94), with Marks Inside 50 won by +2 (14 - 12). Carlton gained control from kicks by +15 (230 - 215), won contested possessions by +13 (136 - 123), clearances had a margin of +14 (36 - 22), while centre clearances were won by +5 (13 - 8), with stoppage clearances up by +9 (23 - 14). Contested Marks were won by +3 (21 - 18), and Inside 50s had a gap of +9 (54 - 45). Intercept possessions (68 each) was the only statistic in dispute from today's game.

Jordan De Goey (31 disposals @ 74%, 507 metres gained, 6 contested possessions, 25 uncontested possessions, 4 intercept possessions, 19 kicks, 12 handballs, 12 marks, 2 tackles, 8 score involvements, 6 Inside 50s & 2 Rebound 50s) was the only player that won his position convincingly. De Goey worked extremely hard to take marks, while producing scoring chains with high regularity. De Goey is evolving as a midfielder in recent times.

Taylor Adams (24 disposals @ 62%, 260 metres gained, 10 contested possessions, 14 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 10 kicks, 14 handballs, 8 tackles, 2 score involvements, 5 clearances, 2 centre clearances, 3 stoppage clearances & 4 Inside 50s) played solidly without tearing the match apart. Adams was the only player to win 5 clearances, which highlights Taylor's importance to the team.

Scott Pendlebury (18 disposals @ 61%, 277 metres gained, 9 contested possessions, 9 uncontested possessions, 5 intercept possessions, 11 kicks, 7 handballs, 4 marks, 5 tackles, 2 clearances, 2 stoppage clearances, 3 Inside 50s & 2 Rebound 50s) played his worst game of the season, and perhaps his career with a number of inexplicable skill errors that significantly diminished his ability to impact the game meaningfully. Pendlebury is normally exemplary with his skills and ability to hit targets. He did not achieve those levels today.

Jack Crisp (17 disposals @ 88%, 225 metres gained, 7 contested possessions, 10 uncontested possessions, 6 intercept possessions, 7 kicks, 10 handballs, 5 marks, 2 Contested Marks, 3 tackles, 2 score involvements, 2 Inside 50s & 3 Rebound 50s) had an average game with no impact on the match, other than his ability to consistently hit targets effectively.

Brodie Grundy (16 disposals @ 75%, 293 metres gained, 10 contested possessions, 6 uncontested possessions, 27 hit-outs, 9 kicks, 7 handballs, 3 marks, 2 Contested Marks, 2 tackles, 1 goal assist, 3 score involvements, 3 clearances, 2 stoppage clearances & 4 Inside 50s) started the game like a house on fire in the opening term, and maintained that level of excellence in the second term. His body of work after half time though was incredibly awful and deplorable, where he failed to give his midfield first use in the centre and from stoppages, while allowing inexperienced ruckmen in Tom De Koning and Jack Silvagni to neutralise or outpoint him aerially at ruck contests.

Steele Sidebottom (16 disposals @ 75%, 292 metres gained, 4 contested possessions, 12 uncontested possessions, 3 intercept possessions, 13 kicks, 3 handballs, 5 marks, 2 tackles, 5 score involvements, 2 Inside 50s, 2 Rebound 50s & 1 goal) looked to gain territory with his possessions after taking marks, which allowed his team opportunities to hit the scoreboard.

Chris Mayne (26 disposals @ 92%, 240 metres gained, 4 contested possessions, 22 uncontested possessions, 7 intercept possessions, 18 kicks, 8 handballs, 10 marks, 3 tackles, 3 score involvements & 3 Rebound 50s) defended impeccably once again with several intercept marks coupled with controlled ball use to find targets exiting out of defence.

John Noble (25 disposals @ 80%, 455 metres gained, 6 contested possessions, 19 uncontested possessions, 7 intercept possessions, 16 kicks, 9 handballs, 11 marks, 4 tackles, 1 goal assist, 5 score involvements, 2 Inside 50s & 2 Rebound 50s) made an effort to take the game on by surging the ball forward after taking marks, while also displaying desire to create scoring chains from half-back.

Trey Ruscoe (23 disposals @ 83%, 223 metres gained, 8 contested possessions, 15 uncontested possessions, 7 intercept possessions, 12 kicks, 11 handballs, 5 marks, 4 score involvements, 3 Inside 50s & 2 Rebound 50s) played his best game for the club as a defender learning how to play his position, after his previous games for the Magpies have been as a forward with mixed results, but largely ineffective. Ruscoe looked comfortable behind the ball won he won possession and made an effort to hit simple targets, especially after taking marks.

Isaac Quaynor (22 disposals @ 91%, 246 metres gained, 7 contested possessions, 15 uncontested possessions, 6 intercept possessions, 10 kicks, 12 handballs, 7 marks, 3 tackles, 2 score involvements & 4 Rebound 50s) demonstrated his will and desire to win the ball and take the game on. Unfortunately, Quaynor either coughed the ball up or got caught in tackles he could not break to allow fluent and continuous ball movement for his team to keep hitting the scoreboard.

Jamie Elliott (19 disposals @ 58%, 303 metres gained, 11 contested possessions, 8 uncontested possessions, 11 kicks, 8 handballs, 6 marks, 2 Contested Marks, 3 Marks Inside 50, 3 tackles, 2 goal assists, 5 score involvements, 5 Inside 50s, 2 Rebound 50s & 1 goal) looked likely and lively up forward with his creativity to set up scores and goals, while taking regular marks up forward to provide his teammates an option.

Trent Bianco (16 disposals @ 69%, 251 metres gained, 4 contested possessions, 12 uncontested possessions, 3 intercept possessions, 11 kicks, 5 handballs, 7 marks, 3 Rebound 50s & 1 goal) found a way up forward to win possession, worked high up the ground to take marks and nailed his shot at goal before Carlton went into overdrive later on in the game.

Brody Mihocek (14 disposals @ 64%, 359 metres gained, 6 contested possessions, 8 uncontested possessions, 11 kicks, 3 handballs, 9 marks, 2 Contested Marks, 3 tackles, 3 Tackles Inside 50, 1 goal assist, 6 score involvements, 4 Inside 50s & 1 goal) had a relatively good game up forward where he took marks on the wing and across half forward and chimed in with a major on what was a solid game for him.

Oliver Henry (12 disposals @ 58%, 157 metres gained, 3 contested possessions, 9 uncontested possessions, 8 kicks, 4 handballs, 7 marks, 4 Marks Inside 50, 5 score involvements & 3 goals) gave Collingwood fans a glimpse into his capabilities with a commanding first half where he clunked marks up forward and booted some terrific goals which allowed Collingwood to have a lead at each of the first two quarters. Once supply up forward had dried up, so did Henry's ability to become influential.

Collingwood's next game will be against Port Adelaide at Adelaide Oval on July 23. Look to salvage as many victories from the wreckage of the 2021 season as possible. The Magpies have not defeated Port Adelaide at Adelaide Oval yet, so hopefully that drought will end on Friday night.
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Win lose or draw, the game highlighted our ongoing need for a midfield overhaul. It will take time for Reef, Macrae, Nick Et Al to assist Tay, Crisp and JDG and Billy rotating. First half Grundy dominates, they don't cover our aggressive corridor kicks and their small defenders were a shambles, allowing us to get open players away from their talls I50. Second half, Grundy is cooked, Tay can't hit the side of a barn, we telegraph corridor kicks that are continually intercepted. We tried at least. Ruscoe at HB showed the skills that got him games ahead of Rantall and others. I don't know why people bag Mayne. Yes he slows us down but he fills every hole and wins contest. His spot is there to be taken by Murphy, Keane, Wilson and none are close yet. Henry showed why we risked losing Macrae and Reef by picking him first. Cameron is not the answer, but an ok backup. If he had closing speed, I would train him for KPD.
 

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jjsmitty8 said:
I do my own Brownlow predictor on excel, I give my own votes and also document every teams best players from every game using the AFL website.

Fun (for lack of better term) fact for ya, Jack Martin has only been in Carlton’s best players TWICE this year.

Round 2 vs Collingwood
Round 18 vs Collingwood.

Not once in between.. Collingwood is to Jack Martin what North is to Josh Bruce. If there was ever proof needed that we can make average footballers look great, that about does it for me.
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Sums it up really, though he has nothing on Simon Beaumont. We made him Hudson and Coleman combined that day
 
A lot of games are decided by who is fresher in the last quarter. For the previous 2 games it was us, this time it was Carlton.
nest week after 5 day break vs Prot could be v challenging, except sometimes 5 day breaks are very light work, so might come uo fresh.
 
I love the hissy fit this board throws every time we lose. We are rebuilding it’s going to be like this

Look at the positives

Ruscoe looked good down back

Degoey is actually playing as a gun mid

Henry 3 goals looked a player

Noble keeps improving

quaynor will be a long term player


We are in for a long rebuild make no mistake
 
magpiemaniac44 said:
Disgraceful. The Betts call could be the worst I've seen in my life. He *clearly* dropped it, and if by some obscure chance they ump didn't see it, Eddie literally played on and kicked it away.

Adams holding the ball in the last was perplexing, and that was the last I saw of the game.

Also missed some of the most blatant throws you'll ever see.
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The decision I really didn't understand was when a Carlton player (Martin I think) marked a touched ball and was tackled by Murphy. Martin tried the usual I thought it was a mark didn't hear the touched ball call and made no attempt to dispose of it. Resulted in a ball up.
 
Chrispiesssss said:
Umpire costing us 5 goals in the first 3 quarters kept them within kicking distance.
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Agree, it reminded me of the Lions game in that regard. Seems to be a common theme in the AFL. You would think the team winning would be doing more things right than the team losing.

In terms of what we could control -
Mayne has reinvented himself - may not be fast or kick the ball but he is smart and reads the play well.
Ruscoe - plays with purpose in the back half.
Grundy - must have thought games with no crowds only go for two quarters. He is the head of the pick n choose when we play crew.
Sidebottom - should go out (not to Wells house) before he hits complete rock bottom. Need to get that salary off the books. Make him a running coach or some shit.
Henry - looked good. Really stood out because others were so poor.
De Goey - good game but is it an 800k type game?

Negatives - We saw the value of a true power forward. Can do SFA for three quarters but can help win the match in one quarter. That is what we lack. A proper power key forward.

Too many players don’t seem willing to play four quarters. Where were our leaders when things started to get hard?
 
BIGNEDKELLY said:
The decision I really didn't understand was when a Carlton player (Martin I think) marked a touched ball and was tackled by Murphy. Martin tried the usual I thought it was a mark didn't hear the touched ball call and made no attempt to dispose of it. Resulted in a ball up.
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I also completely forgot the 50 again Henry, that could be the worst of the lot. Umpire didn't even say go back a metre or stand.
 
Capital Magpie said:
I was livid. That 50 was because the umpire said he didn't stand on the mark immediately. No warning to the player "back 2 meters"like they do 99/100 times, no - that's 50. Yellow punce.
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The umpire explained that they will call you back if you are actually in the contest but in this case Henry came from some distance and ran straight over the mark. Seems that is the rule.
 

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