Preview Round 2 - Brisbane vs. Carlton Prematch Discussion

[Silvagnis]

Brown won't match Kreuzer around the grounds and in the lungs??? Brown's fitness is years ahead of Kreuzers...idiot

Classy.

Kreuzer is one of the fittest players going round.

Matty blew away his teammates on the bike in the pre-season.

Freak endurance for a big man.

Clark couldn't catch Kreuzer on the run in the final.

No idea.

Warnock has terrific endurance and agility too, so we will rotate both of them through the middle against Leuenberger and Clark.

Merrett, Patfull and Maguire have O'hailpin, Waite and Henderson covered easily and Carltons taller forwards won't stretch the Lions in any way.

Patfull is a match for Waite in every way?

Waite kicked two goals in 2008 at the Gabba with Merrett and Patfull playing.

Finished you off after we came back from 30 points.

Maguire would be stronger ATM, but does he have the pace and mobility to take Henderson who will lead and lead again?

Henderson ran down Relton Roberts who is a quick indigenous player.

O'hAilpin is 197 cms, but mobile like Spalding who used to play his role to perfection for Carlton at CHF.

Yet Carlton are labelled arrogant...

Fev's proved he works in the forward line with Brown already. It works both ways, the defenders might be able to get to him more than others but he will be sharing a lot of information about Carlton to the Lions.

That's nice.

I wonder if Henderson will do the same thing.

 

[Dramoth]

So your logic is that your midfield ran out of legs and couldn't keep up with Brisbane last year so that means that Carltons midfield is superior to the Lions and that's not going to happen tomorrow night because???

Merrett, Patfull and Maguire have O'hailpin, Waite and Henderson covered easily and Carltons taller forwards won't stretch the Lions in any way.

Brown won't match Kreuzer around the grounds and in the lungs??? Brown's fitness is years ahead of Kreuzers...idiot

Lions won 2 quarters and the Eagles won 2 quarters, hardly a struggle.

Fev's proved he works in the forward line with Brown already. It works both ways, the defenders might be able to get to him more than others but he will be sharing a lot of information about Carlton to the Lions.

Brendan Fevola in for wild night at Gabba when Brisbane take on Carlton

You can be sure coach Michael Voss will be picking Fev's brain regarding his former Carlton teammates. I'm not sure what Michael will find in there, but it's worth having a look anyway.

Aker tells it as it is...

Fev will have nothing he can give away to the paddle pops mate... because he knows **** all.

As for the rest of your crap... keep yapping mate... maybe you can convince yourself that your team of retreads can actually match it with us.

 

[Kramer1]

Johnstone has been reinvented as a back pocket. I suspect you'd prefer Carrazzo in the middle?

I love football speak...Hawthorn don't have an ugly flood, they have a cluster. Johnstone hasn't been demoted, just re-invented.

 

[Dramoth]

Classy.

Kreuzer is one of the fittest players going round.

Matty blew away his teammates on the bike in the pre-season.

Freak endurance for a big man.

Clark couldn't catch Kreuzer on the run in the final.

No idea.

Warnock has terrific endurance and agility too, so we will rotate both of them through the middle against Leuenberger and Clark.

Patfull is a match for Waite in every way?

Waite kicked two goals in 2008 at the Gabba with Merrett and Patfull playing.

Finished you off after we came back from 30 points.

Maguire would be stronger ATM, but does he have the pace and mobility to take Henderson who will lead and lead again?

Henderson ran down Relton Roberts who is a quick indigenous player.

O'hAilpin is 197 cms, but mobile like Spalding who used to play his role to perfection for Carlton at CHF.

Yet Carlton are labelled arrogant...

That's nice.

I wonder if Henderson will do the same thing.

I think that we will be getting better intel out of Henderson than Voss is getting out of Fevola

 

[parrot]

...Merrett, Patfull and Maguire have O'hailpin, Waite and Henderson covered easily and Carltons taller forwards won't stretch the Lions in any way.
...

What's with this Brisbane Retreads supporter? Sounds a little desperate.

Maguire is a slow 190-191cm defender matched against 3 very athletic, fast tall KP forwards - Waite (194cm), Hendo (196cm), Setanta (200cm). Massive mismatch. Huge. Merrett is not a good match for any of these athletic talls either. Our forward structure is new, and grossly under-rated. Much more unpredictable than having a 2 one-position-only veteran KP forward setup

And we haven't even started on who'll be able to match Betts and Yarran at ground level.

Our highly talented young side goes into this game as massive underdogs. We lack the experience the Retreads have but we have bucketloads more raw talent and X-factor. How sweet would an upset be.

 

[Gibbo_88]

What he meant was we had a few underdone players last year, we don't this year and our midfield is clearly ahead of yours. You couldn't even get on top of a poor midfield like West Coasts on the weekend.

Clearly ahead? Judging by the last two years of games played between Carlton and Brisbane I would say that Carlton is only slightly ahead, if you were clearly ahead you would think that the scores wouldn't be so close over the last 4 games.

Talk about over rating your players. Merrett is good but the other two are bloody hopeless.

Maguire isn't a star player in any way but is a good match up for Henderson who isn't a star forward either. Surprised you don't rate Patfull, Patfull is a better defender than Merrett and keeping Goodes out of a game on 2 occasions is not easy.

Kreuzer is one of the fittest players at the club, he's always been known for his endurance. Brown is reasonably fit but not a stand out gut runner like Kreuzer.

The poster I was replying to was saying Kreuzer would have Brown around the ground and lungs, Put Kreuzer as a key defender on Brown for the game and see how long till Kreuzer has to go off for someone else to go on Brown...that was my point not who would win a 3km run.

No, that's pretty much a struggle you dill.

Just had a closer look, won 2 quarters, tied the other and lost the first. Do you still really think that's a struggle? 2 vs 2 isn't even a struggle.

Fev had a stinker against a below average backline, he's proven nothing except that he's not playing with any heart. It'll be a lot worse this weekend too. Jamison and support from Bower, Thornton, Waite and Russell will take Fev to the cleaners. He'll spit it in the first quarter and spend the rest of the game with his hands on his hips.

5 players on a forward would take any player to the cleaners, guess Brown will beat his 10 goals against Carlton if that's the case.

The only thing Fev will be able to tell them is which blokes like playing poker and which ones are good to have a beer with. Using Fevola for a source of intelligence is like getting parenting advice from Josef Fritzl.

Well played Sir

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[Bluebear]

Henderson ran down Relton Roberts who is a quick indigenous player.

I did try to tell people over the summer that he isn't slow at all, and has run down the likes of S Burgoyne (circa 08), and Milne in 09.

It was a great chase and RR at full tilt didn't gain a metre on Hendo, and if anything lost a metre. When he starts to use that pace as a burst on the lead he will be very dangerous.

but he will be sharing a lot of information about Carlton to the Lions.

I heard Akermanis pick up on this as well.

Who do you think was paying more attention in team meetings at their respective clubs..........a FF whose own gameplan is "kick it to me and I'll do the rest", continually berrated teamates over their delivery, and was genrally disrespectful to a string of coaches, assistant coaches and his captain.........or a young up and coming CHF/CHB who was desperate to impress the coach, shows great "game sense" and has done in his first two years.

I'll back Hendo to know more about the Lions game plan and how they want to move the ball than Fev.
Secondly, the Lions gameplan won't have changed a great deal as their key personel are much the same (Bradshaw a straight swap for Fev).
What would Fev know about how our forward line might work without him?
What would he know about our structures with McLean and Warnock?
What would he know about our midfield without Judd and Stevens?

Less than what Voss would have got from looking at the tapes I suspect.

Merrett, Patfull and Maguire have O'hailpin, Waite and Henderson covered easily and Carltons taller forwards won't stretch the Lions in any way.

So who takes Betts and Yarran?

 

[Sin City]

Clearly ahead? Judging by the last two years of games played between Carlton and Brisbane I would say that Carlton is only slightly ahead, if you were clearly ahead you would think that the scores wouldn't be so close over the last 4 games.

Come on Gibbo. Black usually plays an amazing game against no matter what we do, but the rest of the midfield is going up against Gibbs, Murphy, McLean, Simpson, Scotland and Walker.

Maguire isn't a star player in any way but is a good match up for Henderson who isn't a star forward either. Surprised you don't rate Patfull, Patfull is a better defender than Merrett and keeping Goodes out of a game on 2 occasions is not easy.

Maguire is going to be undersized and too slow against whoever he goes up against. Big call to say Patfull is better than Merrett, he's also going to be 2-3 inches shorter than whoever he plays on. He tries but I think he'll be outclassed.

The poster I was replying to was saying Kreuzer would have Brown around the ground and lungs, Put Kreuzer as a key defender on Brown for the game and see how long till Kreuzer has to go off for someone else to go on Brown...that was my point not who would win a 3km run.

This is ridiculous to even talk about as Kreuzer will be in the ruck for most of the game but no, Kreuzer would run the legs off Brown, he's one of the fittest blokes at the club.

2 vs 2 isn't even a struggle.

Yes, it is. And yes, your game against West Coast was a struggle that led to a heap of your guys cramping up.

5 players on a forward would take any player to the cleaners, guess Brown will beat his 10 goals against Carlton if that's the case.

More pointing out how having that many capable players down there to help out will make it harder for Fev. He's under a lot of pressure and is going to get a lot of attention from the Carlton defenders, it will be too much for his feeble mind to take and I'm tipping petulant, lazy Fev to come out as early as the first quarter.

 

[Blue and Silver]

Fev's knowledge of Carlton's gameplan:

Vossy: So how do the Blues usually set up?

Fev: Well I am at full forward, then I lead, and then I mark, and then I kick.

Vossy: OK... but they create space or use dummy leads right.

Fev: Nah I don't need it, by the way when are you going to tell Brown to get out of my 50?

 

[Sin City]

Fev's knowledge of Carlton's gameplan:

Vossy: So how do the Blues usually set up?

Fev: Well I am at full forward, then I lead, and then I mark, and then I kick.

Vossy: OK... but they create space or use dummy leads right.

Fev: Nah I don't need it, by the way when are you going to tell Brown to get out of my 50?

Gold

 

[Bluebear]

it will be too much for his feeble mind to take and I'm tipping petulant, lazy Fev to come out as early as the first quarter.

The more things change the more they stay the same.

Gotta love how Fev's "goal of the year" attempt came after a dropped chest mark and a hlf arsed chase to get the ball back, followed by a half arsed toe poke which fortunately went in. Had it not been for the little red head bloke getting in and locking the ball in Fev would have finished the night with 2 goals, 7 behinds and 1 OOF.

20%.

Browns right, he won't be that bad two weeks in a row........but Fev's mind needs to be right, and he can get the Yips.

 

[Jimthegreat]

Be aware of the stereotype that Fev is dumb. When he talks footy is certainly knows what he's on about. He just has the common sense of a pea. There is a difference.

Thing is the plan has changed since he left as he was the main part of it. Other than information about a few individuals he won't be able to tell Voss much. Henderson will have more to tell.

 

[Gibbo_88]

Come on Gibbo. Black usually plays an amazing game against no matter what we do, but the rest of the midfield is going up against Gibbs, Murphy, McLean, Simpson, Scotland and Walker.

Black, Power, Brennan, Rich, Sherman is our main midfield this year and I agree Carlton's midfield is ahead in the quality of the depth but in the top few midfielders I think its equal. I thought it was a bit much you saying your midfield is clearly ahead of ours when neither teams midfield has dominated anothers in years.

Maguire is going to be undersized and too slow against whoever he goes up against. Big call to say Patfull is better than Merrett, he's also going to be 2-3 inches shorter than whoever he plays on. He tries but I think he'll be outclassed.

Patfull is shorter than most key defenders but he has a massive leap and go-go-gadget arms which make up for it and I hope he runs with Waite.

This is ridiculous to even talk about as Kreuzer will be in the ruck for most of the game but no, Kreuzer would run the legs off Brown, he's one of the fittest blokes at the club.

Yes, I know that's why reply to the post suggesting Kreuzer should drop in front of Brown for the game when that would be a waste of his talent.

Yes, it is. And yes, your game against West Coast was a struggle that led to a heap of your guys cramping up.

Agree to disagree on that then. Interupted pre-season would be part of the reason for this.

More pointing out how having that many capable players down there to help out will make it harder for Fev. He's under a lot of pressure and is going to get a lot of attention from the Carlton defenders, it will be too much for his feeble mind to take and I'm tipping petulant, lazy Fev to come out as early as the first quarter.

Doubt we will see lazy Fev unless you guys absolutely roll us. He's going to want to work as hard as he can to prove everyone wrong. I think the game will go by with hardly any incidents apart from a few bumps here and there involving Fev. Ratten is trying to make it a non issue and Fev actually has someone he has to answer with that shares the forward 50 with him

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[jj1978]

Lets not forget MacGuire trained with us during pre-season and if Brisbane didn't get him so late, you never know we may have?

But I think after having him train with us, our forwards would know his strengths and weaknesses a lot better so whomever we match up against him, the club may have a trick or two.

This game is going to be mainly about hunger... if our boys come in the game to play (like against Richmond) and don't give away an easy first 5-10 minutes to Brisbane (like we did against Saints last year), it'll be an awesome game with the Blues coming out on top.

 

[Sin City]

Black, Power, Brennan, Rich, Sherman is our main midfield this year and I agree Carlton's midfield is ahead in the quality of the depth but in the top few midfielders I think its equal. I thought it was a bit much you saying your midfield is clearly ahead of ours when neither teams midfield has dominated anothers in years

Black has played some blinders against us but I would say generally our midfield has dominated against you guys. Power is a forward this year, you know that, we know that, he's not a midfielder anymore so apart from Black you have a second year player who appears to be struggling a bit, Brennan, Sherman and I guess you could throw Rischitelli in there, none of them are known for consistently strong performances in the midfield.

Patfull is shorter than most key defenders but he has a massive leap and go-go-gadget arms which make up for it and I hope he runs with Waite.

Patfull is still 2 inches shorter than Waite who also has extremely long arms and a massive leap. No matter how long his arms are he's still going to be undersized if he against either of the other two. He played on Kerr on the weekend for some reason?

Agree to disagree on that then. Interupted pre-season would be part of the reason for this.

So given the short recovery it'll probably be even more of a problem this week.

He's going to want to work as hard as he can to prove everyone wrong

Hard work and Fev in the same sentence should only be used by your leadership group. Everyone has their strengths and weaknesses. Fev's strengths are poker, drinking and being able to create dildos whenever there is a camera nearby. His weaknesses are that he's petulant, lazy and 100% self centered.

Fev actually has someone he has to answer with that shares the forward 50 with him

Two things Fev doesn't believe in are answering to people and sharing the forward 50. Recipe for disaster, Brown will probably knock him out before the seasons over.

 

[Blue and Silver]

Fev isn't an idiot when it comes to footy but he believed entirely that he was the most important part of the forward line and there was no need to try and come up with a strategy as he thought he could always kick a winning amount.

 

[Gibbo_88]

Black has played some blinders against us but I would say generally our midfield has dominated against you guys. Power is a forward this year, you know that, we know that, he's not a midfielder anymore so apart from Black you have a second year player who appears to be struggling a bit, Brennan, Sherman and I guess you could throw Rischitelli in there, none of them are known for consistently strong performances in the midfield.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/fevola-will-kick-on-says-brown-20100330-rbgw.html

Vice-captain Power, a natural goalsneak, will still rotate through the midfield but will spend more time as a crumber

Still a midfielder and if we're getting killed in the midfield that's where he will go.

Patfull is still 2 inches shorter than Waite who also has extremely long arms and a massive leap. No matter how long his arms are he's still going to be undersized if he against either of the other two. He played on Kerr on the weekend for some reason?

He's usually undersized against most opponents but it hasn't been a problem in the past

Looking forward to tomorrow night

 

[Sin City]

Looking forward to tomorrow night

Same here and I think it's gonna be one hell of an intense arm wrestle

Still a midfielder and if we're getting killed in the midfield that's where he will go.

That's just talk from the newspaper. He didn't do much as a midfielder against West Coast even though you struggled to get over them. He can't be in two places at once.

He's usually undersized against most opponents but it hasn't been a problem in the past

He really hasn't done enough ever to make those claims. He was also played on Kerr on the weekend despite the Eagles having Lynch, Kennedy and Le Cras with Cox and Naitanui spending time down there.

 

[Mister Carlton]

I would be surprised if Fev managed to remember his birthday, let alone Carlton tactical set ups.

The best.

 

[douls]

some of you guys are really underestimating Fev. Suprising when you have seen first hand what he can do. Now he is a Lion he doesn't lose his abilty to know how the set up works at any given time nor his abilty. If you are not worried about Fev tomorrow you are a fool.

 

[blue to the bone]

I would be surprised if fev was able to clap hands.

 

[mediumsizered]

some of you guys are really underestimating Fev. Suprising when you have seen first hand what he can do. Now he is a Lion he doesn't lose his abilty to know how the set up works at any given time nor his abilty. If you are not worried about Fev tomorrow you are a fool.

Fev is just one of 22 players who will be lining up for the Lions. I would suggest Simon Black will occupy a greater amount of our coaches' planning for tomorrow night's game.

 

[shell23]

If he has been named he will not be out for 4-6 weeks or whatever. He is fine im confident he will play.

 

[Sin City]

No change at the moment.

Armfield, Browne and Jacobs the emergencies.

 

[douls]

Fev is just one of 22 players who will be lining up for the Lions. I would suggest Simon Black will occupy a greater amount of our coaches' planning for tomorrow night's game.

I hope Simon Black does occupy more time for the coaches planning but that is irrelevant to my point.

If our coaches treat Fev as just one of 22 then they are need their heads checked.