Review Round 2 Vent/Roast thread. Post away.

[VitalDread]

Phew! It seems like I've stumbled into the rocket surgery convention... So many here who watch the game, but don't see the game. After a weekend of seeing both Footscray and Westerb Bulldogs play, I am relieved to be able to report that the sky is definitely not falling.

Yesterday at Geelong, the Footscray boys lost a winnable game, but there were some positives to take from of it. The Bont is going to be a very good player. So is Josh Prudden. Tom Williams is very close to putting it all together in the forward line and Tom Campbell playing VFL is like a man playing boys. Ayce was playing above the level, but just didn't have the authority of an AFL player who has 'gone back'. My boy Fletch struggled in the backline after being mainly forward pre-season but still managed to show his class on occasion. Michael Talia was lacklustre, but Mitch Honeychurch was firey until his tank ran dry in the second half. Tutty was explosive at times but decision-making let him down. Big Jack contested all day and took some good grabs. The Rat was in and under, especially early. Goodesy worked like a man possessed but skills let him down again. Greeny has lots of ticker but just isn't big enough to play a role. The jury is still out on Matt Fuller but he didn't show anything that even recommended him for VFL let alone AFL.

Today was a disappointing result but another step on the journey. The 'conventioneers' will tell you that our effort was piss poor, we were unfit, that were just crap, etc. They didn't see the game that I saw. A week after the hardest journey in footy to a 35 degree hell hole, we did a pretty good job against a highly-touted opposition hell-bent on making amends for their ignominious start to the season. Contested footy! Yes! Liam Picken was outstanding. So was Lukey D. And Jack Macrae. Dale. Murph. Roughy. Jongy, especially early. Koby - most of the time. Adam Cooney, especially early. Jake Stringer (Phar Lap's heart). Hunter!!!!!! Big Stew worked really hard but was not rewarded; he is a quality unit and will click soon. Some of these boys have played very few games and have come off a huge trip to the west (to the posters who think it's just about sitting in a plane, please go back to the convention, Tony Dean is about to give his keynote address). If you can't see progression in the way we're playing and the things that are improving, maybe Dannnnnnn could reel off a few thousand words and a bunch of stats for you. For me, it's plain to see out on the ground, like it was today, and like it almost was yesterday (and that is really exciting because you can see similarities in the way we're playing at both levels).

When we have 50+ plus games into the likes of Hunter, Hrovat, Stringer, Macrae, Campbell, Dickson, JJ, Bontimpelli, Prudden, Jong and co, the mistakes and misjudgements we saw today will be much fewer and farther between. In the meantime, try to see the whole game instead of just following the ball and glancing at the scoreboard. It's much more fun (except when you come home and log on to BF).

PS Higgo!!!! Jeez, it's good to have him back. I can't be bothered going back to see who the twerp was who ripped into him. Whoever you are, say three Hail Marys, go straight bed without any supper, and don't let it happen again.

Wise wise words

 

[Fossie 32]

I cant'/don't believe our resident expert omen picker upper Fossie 32 didn't pick up 8.6 54 yet?

I did notice that . Not a big score but we did advance a fair bit on only 5.4 at 3/4 time.......

 

[Bont2Bruce]

Mate I hope your right but being a hard but don't make a footballer

You'd think that if you quoted that post, the least you could do would be to use the correct form "you're".

 

[immortalmike]

Mate




Mate I hope your right but being a hard but don't make a footballer

Ever seen this bloke...

with the added bonus of being quite tall for a mid and the fastest bloke on our list.

 

[Mattdougie]

Dpmeo

Phew! It seems like I've stumbled into the rocket surgery convention... So many here who watch the game, but don't see the game. After a weekend of seeing both Footscray and Westerb Bulldogs play, I am relieved to be able to report that the sky is definitely not falling.

Yesterday at Geelong, the Footscray boys lost a winnable game, but there were some positives to take from of it. The Bont is going to be a very good player. So is Josh Prudden. Tom Williams is very close to putting it all together in the forward line and Tom Campbell playing VFL is like a man playing boys. Ayce was playing above the level, but just didn't have the authority of an AFL player who has 'gone back'. My boy Fletch struggled in the backline after being mainly forward pre-season but still managed to show his class on occasion. Michael Talia was lacklustre, but Mitch Honeychurch was firey until his tank ran dry in the second half. Tutty was explosive at times but decision-making let him down. Big Jack contested all day and took some good grabs. The Rat was in and under, especially early. Goodesy worked like a man possessed but skills let him down again. Greeny has lots of ticker but just isn't big enough to play a role. The jury is still out on Matt Fuller but he didn't show anything that even recommended him for VFL let alone AFL.

Today was a disappointing result but another step on the journey. The 'conventioneers' will tell you that our effort was piss poor, we were unfit, that were just crap, etc. They didn't see the game that I saw. A week after the hardest journey in footy to a 35 degree hell hole, we did a pretty good job against a highly-touted opposition hell-bent on making amends for their ignominious start to the season. Contested footy! Yes! Liam Picken was outstanding. So was Lukey D. And Jack Macrae. Dale. Murph. Roughy. Jongy, especially early. Koby - most of the time. Adam Cooney, especially early. Jake Stringer (Phar Lap's heart). Hunter!!!!!! Big Stew worked really hard but was not rewarded; he is a quality unit and will click soon. Some of these boys have played very few games and have come off a huge trip to the west (to the posters who think it's just about sitting in a plane, please go back to the convention, Tony Dean is about to give his keynote address). If you can't see progression in the way we're playing and the things that are improving, maybe Dannnnnnn could reel off a few thousand words and a bunch of stats for you. For me, it's plain to see out on the ground, like it was today, and like it almost was yesterday (and that is really exciting because you can see similarities in the way we're playing at both levels).

When we have 50+ plus games into the likes of Hunter, Hrovat, Stringer, Macrae, Campbell, Dickson, JJ, Bontimpelli, Prudden, Jong and co, the mistakes and misjudgements we saw today will be much fewer and farther between. In the meantime, try to see the whole game instead of just following the ball and glancing at the scoreboard. It's much more fun (except when you come home and log on to BF).

PS Higgo!!!! Jeez, it's good to have him back. I can't be bothered going back to see who the twerp was who ripped into him. Whoever you are, say three Hail Marys, go straight bed without any supper, and don't let it happen again.

ne has

You'd think that if you quoted that post, the least you could do would be to use the correct form "you're".

I apologise for using shorthand text, I wasn't aware this was a vocabulary test.

 

[Mattdougie]

No idea what

Ever seen this bloke...
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with the added bonus of being quite tall for a mid and the fastest bloke on our list.

your trying to say

 

[immortalmike]

You'd think that if you quoted that post, the least you could do would be to use the correct form "you're".

Sometimes despite our best efforts, you can't educate those who don't want to learn.

 

[Mattdougie]

Sometimes despite our best efforts, you can't educate those who don't want to learn.

Lol you sit there and talk about trying to bait people then try this??

Tighten the stack hat mate

 

[immortalmike]

No idea what

your trying to say

I thought it was pretty self-explanatory.
Libba's hardness + the attributes I mentioned = a very promising player.

 

[Mattdougie]

Ever seen this bloke...
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with the added bonus of being quite tall for a mid and the fastest bloke on our list.

Oh so you're insinuation is that Libba(sorry I shortened that Mr Grammar) was ONLY a hard nut?

I actually watched the little man give everything and he was much more than just a hard nut.

I said being just a hard but does not make you a footballer.

So try again mate, YOU'RE just proving this is about me disagreeing with you

 

[Mattdougie]

Phew! It seems like I've stumbled into the rocket surgery convention... So many here who watch the game, but don't see the game. After a weekend of seeing both Footscray and Westerb Bulldogs play, I am relieved to be able to report that the sky is definitely not falling.

Yesterday at Geelong, the Footscray boys lost a winnable game, but there were some positives to take from of it. The Bont is going to be a very good player. So is Josh Prudden. Tom Williams is very close to putting it all together in the forward line and Tom Campbell playing VFL is like a man playing boys. Ayce was playing above the level, but just didn't have the authority of an AFL player who has 'gone back'. My boy Fletch struggled in the backline after being mainly forward pre-season but still managed to show his class on occasion. Michael Talia was lacklustre, but Mitch Honeychurch was firey until his tank ran dry in the second half. Tutty was explosive at times but decision-making let him down. Big Jack contested all day and took some good grabs. The Rat was in and under, especially early. Goodesy worked like a man possessed but skills let him down again. Greeny has lots of ticker but just isn't big enough to play a role. The jury is still out on Matt Fuller but he didn't show anything that even recommended him for VFL let alone AFL.

Today was a disappointing result but another step on the journey. The 'conventioneers' will tell you that our effort was piss poor, we were unfit, that were just crap, etc. They didn't see the game that I saw. A week after the hardest journey in footy to a 35 degree hell hole, we did a pretty good job against a highly-touted opposition hell-bent on making amends for their ignominious start to the season. Contested footy! Yes! Liam Picken was outstanding. So was Lukey D. And Jack Macrae. Dale. Murph. Roughy. Jongy, especially early. Koby - most of the time. Adam Cooney, especially early. Jake Stringer (Phar Lap's heart). Hunter!!!!!! Big Stew worked really hard but was not rewarded; he is a quality unit and will click soon. Some of these boys have played very few games and have come off a huge trip to the west (to the posters who think it's just about sitting in a plane, please go back to the convention, Tony Dean is about to give his keynote address). If you can't see progression in the way we're playing and the things that are improving, maybe Dannnnnnn could reel off a few thousand words and a bunch of stats for you. For me, it's plain to see out on the ground, like it was today, and like it almost was yesterday (and that is really exciting because you can see similarities in the way we're playing at both levels).

When we have 50+ plus games into the likes of Hunter, Hrovat, Stringer, Macrae, Campbell, Dickson, JJ, Bontimpelli, Prudden, Jong and co, the mistakes and misjudgements we saw today will be much fewer and farther between. In the meantime, try to see the whole game instead of just following the ball and glancing at the scoreboard. It's much more fun (except when you come home and log on to BF).

PS Higgo!!!! Jeez, it's good to have him back. I can't be bothered going back to see who the twerp was who ripped into him. Whoever you are, say three Hail Marys, go straight bed without any supper, and don't let it happen again.

Someone is swimming on the cool aid

 

[Mattdougie]

I'm having fun arguing with John Mair Sr. A little more challenging than Tony Dean I must admit.

Your words mate! What kind of fan just trolls the net to argue with fellow dog fans??

 

[Bont2Bruce]

I apologise for using shorthand text, I wasn't aware this was a vocabulary test.

Because you clearly don't realise it, the immortalmike post that you quoted contained a video link explaining the difference between you're and your.

To which you replied with a sentence that exactly misused the very same thing.

Grammar by the way, not vocabulary.

 

[Mattdougie]

Because you clearly don't realise it, the immortalmike post that you quoted contained a video link explaining the difference between you're and your.

To which you replied with a sentence that exactly misused the very same thing.

Grammar by the way, not vocabulary.

I've met some $$$$$$$$$ in my life and YOU'RE well up on the list mate.

No valid points or arguments so you turn this to ridiculous statements.

Block for u

 

[immortalmike]

I'm having fun arguing with John Mair Sr. A little more challenging than Tony Dean I must admit.

Your words mate! What kind of fan just trolls the net to argue with fellow dog fans??

Who's trolling? I was enjoying a free exchange of ideas. I didn't realize debate wasn't supposed to be fun.

Oh so you're insinuation is that Libba(sorry I shortened that Mr Grammar) was ONLY a hard nut?

I actually watched the little man give everything and he was much more than just a hard nut.

I said being just a hard but does not make you a footballer.

So try again mate, YOU'RE just proving this is about me disagreeing with you

I actually wrote much more than that. But this is proving fruitless. I said Libba's hardness was his main feature, which is something I see in Jong, coupled with his physical attributes, this could make him a very imposing player.

 

[Bont2Bruce]

I've met some $$$$$$$$$ in my life and YOU'RE well up on the list mate.

No valid points or arguments so you turn this to ridiculous statements.

Block for u

Bye, enjoy the view.

 

[Mattdougie]

Who's trolling? I was enjoying a free exchange of ideas. I didn't realize debate wasn't supposed to be fun.

I actually wrote much more than that. But this is proving fruitless. I said Libba's hardness was his main feature, which is something I see in Jong, coupled with his physical attributes, this could make him a very imposing player.

Libba had one thing I have only seen in a handful of players EVER.

Complete desire for the contest and that in fact help lessen his deficiencies in other areas.

Jong is no doubt hard at it but I don't see the same complete desire and IMO I don't think he will make it but more than happy to be wrong about this.

Don't think Hrovat will make it either actually but that's another discussion.

 

[the dog's kennel]

We won 8 last year mate and we have the easiest draw in the AFL this year
so how is that progress ?

Look, as I said earlier, I'm no Macca fanboy. I do like a lot about him - I respect him a lot as a person. But I have this sneaking suspicion that he might be the guy who builds a strong list, rather than the guy who coaches a strong list to the top. I also worry that our current list won't be premiership standard at its peak anyway. You keep acting as if everyone who is calling you to account is a rabid Macca fan. That is not the case. Some of us just object to people foaming at the mouth every time we lose.

But to answer your question, I don't measure progress solely in terms of wins and losses. And you know who else doesn't?

I actually think we can win less games than last year(although should not with easy draw) but as long as we can see clear progression and a gameplan developing!

You - only 2 minutes earlier! As it turns out, I agree with that statement above. So hooray! we agree on something!

And guess what? I agree with this too!

I don't accept the "it's only been 2 weeks" NO it's been 2 years and 2 weeks

So let's look at 2 years and 2 weeks. There was a huge amount of "clear progression" between 2012 and 2013. If you couldn't see that then you are blind. And if you disagreed, then why weren't you here predicting doom while everyone was celebrating wins at the back end of 2013? Strange the way you only seem to turn up when we're losing. As to whether there is a "clear progression" between 2013 and 2014 - well I'll get back to you about that in 10 weeks. Until then how could we possibly know?

And yes, if the season collapses in a heap and there is no visible progress, I will happily concede I was wrong. Because i am expecting this team to progress for at least the next few years.

 

[immortalmike]

Libba had one thing I have only seen in a handful of players EVER.

Complete desire for the contest and that in fact help lessen his deficiencies in other areas.

Jong is no doubt hard at it but I don't see the same complete desire and IMO I don't think he will make it but more than happy to be wrong about this.

Don't think Hrovat will make it either actually but that's another discussion.

Fair enough, entirely happy to agree to disagree on Jong. I actually see that desire that Tony had, but it's cool if you don't.

Why don't you think Hrovat will make it? Size? Too many smalls on our list? His skills are fantastic and we need more of that.

 

[Mattdougie]

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Look, as I said earlier, I'm no Macca fanboy. I do like a lot about him - I respect him a lot as a person. But I have this sneaking suspicion that he might be the guy who builds a strong list, rather than the guy who coaches a strong list to the top. I also worry that our current list won't be premiership standard at its peak anyway. You keep acting as if everyone who is calling you to account is a rabid Macca fan. That is not the case. Some of us just object to people foaming at the mouth every time we lose.

But to answer your question, I don't measure progress solely in terms of wins and losses. And you know who else doesn't?



You - only 2 minutes earlier! As it turns out, I agree with that statement above. So hooray! we agree on something!

And guess what? I agree with this too!



So let's look at 2 years and 2 weeks. There was a huge amount of "clear progression" between 2012 and 2013. If you couldn't see that then you are blind. And if you disagreed, then why weren't you here predicting doom while everyone was celebrating wins at the back end of 2013? Strange the way you only seem to turn up when we're losing. As to whether there is a "clear progression" between 2013 and 2014 - well I'll get back to you about that in 10 weeks. Until then how could we possibly know?

And yes, if the season collapses in a heap and there is no visible progress, I will happily concede I was wrong. Because i am expecting this team to progress for at least the next few years.

Let's be honest I did watch and was impressed with a few things late last year but I expected immediate progression again this year. That doesn't mean wins but no one can tell me honestly they have been happy with the first 2 weeks.

Everyone talks about the progression they see well why not the negatives? Not allowed to coz that demeans our passion?

I see more regression than progression and I'm honestly astounded people are still 100% sure bout this bloke but as I said they are entitled to.

I pray you blokes can laugh on my face when he takes us to finals but I HONESTLY. Believe we won't even do that let alone get is to challenge

 

[Mattdougie]

Fair enough, entirely happy to agree to disagree on Jong. I actually see that desire that Tony had, but it's cool if you don't.

Why don't you think Hrovat will make it? Size? Too many smalls on our list? His skills are fantastic and we need more of that.

Yeah it's purely a size thing.

We have Libba Dalhaus and smith as very smalls and I don't actually think we can carry those 3 in one team let alone add another.

 

[Mattdougie]

Fair enough, entirely happy to agree to disagree on Jong. I actually see that desire that Tony had, but it's cool if you don't.

Why don't you think Hrovat will make it? Size? Too many smalls on our list? His skills are fantastic and we need more of that.

We already have Libba Dalhaus and Smith that are very small and I don't think we can play those 3 in a team let alone another small

 

[Tibes]

Hey guys what's going on he-

No but for real, game was a lot better in person than it sounds like it was on TV. I think a lot of the criticism levelled at players for not giving enough or not looking interested is completely unfair, they looked like they gave it everything and were out on their feet by the end.

Moz, Higgins, Picken, Dahl and Roughy were best for mine, Dahl seemed to be everywhere and attacking everything he's an absolute sight to watch.

Skills were sloppy, communication was non-existent and i can't believe how little awareness we have, but we weren't that bad and managed to dominate large parts of the game with little reward. Once we can turn that domination and time in our forward half into scores we should see improvement.

 

[the dog's kennel]

I did watch and was impressed with a few things late last year but I expected immediate progression again this year. That doesn't mean wins but no one can tell me honestly they have been happy with the first 2 weeks.

Yes, no-one can honestly say they have been happy with the first 2 weeks. Where many of us disagree with you is that you think our performance in the first 2 weeks means that you can guarantee we will not win more than 5 games this year (expect that to be quoted back at you one day).

Everyone talks about the progression they see well why not the negatives? Not allowed to coz that demeans our passion?

Ummm... this thread is filled with negative comments. I made a few myself. Just not negative enough for your tastes apparently.

 

[Dogs Rule]

That first half was appalling, painful, depressing, frustrating, agonising....you name it.

Kangas didn't really want and didn't everything to try and lose, but we were too inept to take it off them.

Not sure where the one metre sideways handball to another bloke under pressure down back started, but I wish we'd stop it.

I applaud everybody who sat through the first half yesterday (including myself). I think driving a nail through your thumb would be less torture.

The fast flowing, exciting footy of 2006-10 seems like a very, very long time ago....sigh.

Going to be a long year, yet again.





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