Autopsy Round 21, 2023 : Hawks roast the Pies

[Strapping Young Lad]

 

[Bugs1977]

Thought the Hawks were brilliant today. Looked like a top vs 16th game. Accept hawks 1st vs pies 16th.
Sidebottom, Pendlebury, Adams, Nick Daicos and De Goey held to 8 touches in the 1st qtr! Zero influence.
As for Scilily I thought were we a touch arrogant not manning him up with one of our best defenders. No player in the comp has as bigger influence on his side than him.

Takes a lot of balls to come on another teams board and be honest like that. Respect

 

[grumbleguts]

Takes a lot of balls to come on another teams board and be honest like that. Respect

Accept he should have said except.

 

[grumbleguts]

 

[Louis Litt]

Brownlow red carpet:

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Brownlow red carpet:

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Onward and upward - that needed a warning.
we at Hawthorn don’t do that - cross dress.

 

[matey]

Love this pic ………. if you didn’t know you would think 3 key position players were celebrating together! Nash is big …… with Newk and Worps we will never get bullied by anyone which should have us in good stead when we start playing high pressure finals again.

 

[KermitJagger]

Be open to him going elsewhere if it suits our needs.

If not, then a years’ contract with lower base and higher performance incentives makes sense.

He still has something to offer the club but it’s not so critical as to make him “untradeable”.

He’s definitely getting a pay cut if he stays.

There are very few "untradeable" players, there's a price for almost anyone. The point is that any sum offered for a 30 year old bloke with recurring calf issues isn't going to be worth it.

 

[user33]

I know this is going to be an unpopular opinion with many people, but I reckon we cut him loose. I don't think he fits this team and where it is going. Much like trading Mitchell and O'Meara last year the club needs to move on from its recent past. To be honest, I have never felt that he has been a good fit. Just for contrast, I think Morrision, who has struggled to get a game, should definitely be retained as I see him as part of the team as it is going forward. I feel the same way about some players that are being mentioned as being moved on. Kozi has been at the club for a few years but is only 23 YO and he has kept improving every game he has played this year. He looks every bit a very good player in the making. As slow as it may seem to many. And I just don't get the Scrimshaw thing because i think he's one of our best players.

I hope Wingard gets an offer from a team looking for a small forward. He may not be worth much, but we will get a draft pick for him and I think regardless of how high it may be it is more valuable than retaining him.

I would agree re: Wingard but imo we simply don’t have the talent to replace his spot. Mitchell and O’Meara were replaced by very talented young mids, we just don’t have that in the forward line yet, esp with brocky likely out the door.

 

[OnWardnUpWard]

Still buzzing from that win.

Yes, it’s inconsequential for where we finish on the ladder this season but that felt like a watershed game - the culmination of all the learnings throughout the year. Challenge now is to make that the standard and there’s no doubt our coach will hold our players to that.

It’s wonderful to witness a young group building belief. It’s equally impressive for the club to instil belief for supporters through the assured approach to our rebuild. We’re on track.

 

[peetoo]

Who’d have thought the small forwards output is boosted by adding another tall?

 

[Billyc]

Be open to him going elsewhere if it suits our needs.

If not, then a years’ contract with lower base and higher performance incentives makes sense.

He still has something to offer the club but it’s not so critical as to make him “untradeable”.

He’s definitely getting a pay cut if he stays.

He's getting more than a 50% pay cut whether he stays or goes. It's probably more a question of contract length for him - what club, whether us or another, would offer him more than 1 year.

 

[peetoo]

Even Isaac and his daughter are on us.

Reminded me, hardly any boos for Tom Mitchell today. We are all class

 

[KermitJagger]

He's getting more than a 50% pay cut whether he stays or goes. It's probably more a question of contract length for him - what club, whether us or another, would offer him more than 1 year.

Gotta pay someone. I don't mind if he still gets paid a decent amount, it's the contract length that matters.

 

[MightyHawks86]

Great feeling waking up this morning!

 

[A Diakos]

Reminded me, hardly any boos for Tom Mitchell today. We are all class

we sent him packing ....we understand that so of course no boos

Isaac smith and Bud are a different story

 

[peetoo]

we sent him packing ....we understand that so of course no boos

Isaac smith and Bud are a different story

Didn’t stop port fans booing burgers a decade later.

 

[peetoo]

In the double goal episode. Siss helping j daicos to his feet and calming our guys down a bit. How did we go after that?

 

[daniel23]

I would agree re: Wingard but imo we simply don’t have the talent to replace his spot. Mitchell and O’Meara were replaced by very talented young mids, we just don’t have that in the forward line yet, esp with brocky likely out the door.

We just might, can you imagine Liam Ryan in that team yesterday and going forward? 3 years younger then wingard too.

 

[JoeHawk]

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Building a premiership list is a bit like baking – a mix of science and art that requires instinct as well as analysis and knowledge. You can measure a player’s athletic abilities, for example, but that doesn’t tell you how good an actual footballer they will be. Multiply that dilemma by list size and you have a good idea of the difficulty. I didn’t think we had the list to challenge this year, and I’ve been proved wrong. Our list has a couple of weaknesses, the main one the lack of an elite key forward. Otherwise, we have everything.

Hawthorn chose to rebuild hard, and my respect to Mitchell when he outlined their plan, which included an assessment of who was rebuilding at the same time and in competition with them. They stripped back hard, got rid of older players, and are on their way. I think it’s smart but you’re in for some short-term pain.

Let’s take this week as an example. Hawthorn have good youth, but we have it over them all over the park.

Most of my life, the Hawks have been a brilliant team. All those flags in the 80s, 2000s. Sustained success. Enviable.

I can’t wait for the Pies to pummel them on Saturday. To budgeon them into submission. To concuss them and then like a Port Adelaide doctor to say, “Who? What? Oh they’ll be fine.”

I want them to hit the ground like Allir Allir’s body on the weekend – limp and lifeless.

And this week I am 100% certain that it’ll happen. I have no fear over this game. We had the loss we had to have. We can refocus on the basics of our game. Our forward line will be better for McStay there another week and maybe Howe up forward too.

Changes: Frampton in, Cox out. Howe forward. Bank the points. Move on.

The Washup

The Pies by 45 points, scorching the Hawthorn cake until it’s brown and black unconscious from the searing heat.

This aged well.

I didn’t expect much and thought we’d lose this by about 10 goals. So much sweeter now.

 

[JoeHawk]

In the double goal episode. Siss helping j daicos to his feet and calming our guys down a bit. How did we go after that?

Such a brilliant reaction to respond with a goal within seconds and not dwell about and lose focus.

 

[grumbleguts]

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Who's a good little fraud? Hey? Who's a good little fraud?

 

[rdhopkins2]

Great to wake up on a Sunday morning after an amazing win.

Though the media talking finals in the next couple of years made me laugh. I thought we were supposed to be tanking!?

 

[Kenyan]

Punky, what a bloody champion!

 

[H00t]

CBA's (out of 30):
24 - Day
23 - Newcombe
22 - Worpel
21 - Nash

We didn't use any other midfielders.

Clearances:
7 - Day
7 - Worpel
6 - Newcombe
6 - Nash

Centre Clearances:
5 - Worpel
4 - Day
4 - Newcombe
4 - Nash

We smashed them in centre clearances: 18 to 3.

But strangely they smashed us in stoppage clearances: 16 to 32.

So in the end they won the total clearance tally by one.

I didn’t get to watch the whole game. But it does happen reasonably for the team who loses the inside 50 count and territory battle to also win the stoppage clearance count because they will often have an extra number or two at more stoppages.

Depends where most stoppages end up being.

 

[burger09]

Reminded me, hardly any boos for Tom Mitchell today. We are all class

Hard to boo someone who isn't touching the pill.