Prediction Round 21 Changes vs. Essendon

[Taylor]

Do any of you punters have any stats regarding our win-loss ratio the next week after a Derby win?

It seems that more often than not there is a loss. I just have no facts to support it.

Fremantle:
2019 - 1st Derby - Beat Giants (A) - Lost Derby
2019 - 2nd Derby - Lost to Hawks (A) - Lost Derby
2020 - 1st Derby - Lost to Cats (H) - Lost Derby
2021 - 1st Derby - Lost to Lions (A) - Lost Derby
2021 - 2nd Derby - Lost to Saints (A) - Won Derby
2022 - 1st Derby - Beat Giants (H) - Won Derby
2022 - 2nd Derby - Beat Giants (A) - Won Derby
2023 - 1st Derby - Lost to Adelaide (A) - Won Derby
2023 - 2nd Derby - Lost to Port Adelaide (H) - Won Derby
2024 - 1st Derby - Beat Dogs (H) - Lost Derby
2024 - 2nd Derby -

 

[Alfonz]

Can we argue Culley instigated the contact and Fyfe was taking reasonable actions to defend himself? Which is all true. Then Culley's actions redirected Fyfe's arms. Then he staged for a free kick.

 

[greatgatsby]

Fremantle:
2019 - 1st Derby - Beat Giants (A) - Lost Derby
2019 - 2nd Derby - Lost to Hawks (A) - Lost Derby
2020 - 1st Derby - Lost to Cats (H) - Lost Derby
2021 - 1st Derby - Lost to Lions (A) - Lost Derby
2021 - 2nd Derby - Lost to Saints (A) - Won Derby
2022 - 1st Derby - Beat Giants (H) - Won Derby
2022 - 2nd Derby - Beat Giants (A) - Won Derby
2023 - 1st Derby - Lost to Adelaide (A) - Won Derby
2023 - 2nd Derby - Lost to Port Adelaide (H) - Won Derby
2024 - 1st Derby - Beat Dogs (H) - Lost Derby
2024 - 2nd Derby -

So we're only a chance of backing up with a win if we're playing GWS

 

[LongSerong]

If Fyfe is rubbed out I think this is the one week where I might endorse giving Brodie a shot - Johnno can rest his foot a bit further and Razzy has had his chances at times early season, gotta reward Brodie at SOME point for his perseverance

 

[Taylor]

So we're only a chance of backing up with a win if we're playing GWS

I think the variables in that data are waaaay too broad.

Eagles weren't rubbish until recently, we've been only good for two years out of the last three etc.

 

[greatgatsby]

I think the variables in that data are waaaay too broad.

Eagles weren't rubbish until recently, we've been only good for two years out of the last three etc.

Yeah, don't worry I'm not holding you to it.

 

[Bigger]

Can we argue Culley instigated the contact and Fyfe was taking reasonable actions to defend himself? Which is all true. Then Culley's actions redirected Fyfe's arms. Then he staged for a free kick.

Can we not just show the tribunal a photo of Jai Culley with his tongue hanging out, being an absolute ********?

 

[kingswood71]

Yeah I think it gets upheld. You miss 100% of the shots you don't take though.

Ah the other angle!
Probably gets a week

 

[LongSerong]

Can we not just show the tribunal a photo of Jai Culley with his tongue hanging out, being an absolute ********?

Bloke gets subbed on in the 1st minute, kicks a goal and then proceeds to have 5 touches for the remainder of the game, absolute knobhead

 

[kingswood71]

Watching that behind goals footage i can’t see any hit to face

He staged it for free kick

Nah he got him...open hand.

 

[kingswood71]

Can we argue Culley instigated the contact and Fyfe was taking reasonable actions to defend himself? Which is all true. Then Culley's actions redirected Fyfe's arms. Then he staged for a free kick.

"Where a Player intends to forcefully push or fend an opposition player off the ball (including to gain separation for the purpose of contesting
the ball) and the effect is that the player “strikes” their opponent, the strike will usually be graded as Intentional."

 

[Quay Club]

Ah the other angle!
Probably gets a week

Yes doesn't look good.

 

[Taylor]

Sounds like the usual defense, that the intention was to strike the body and the action of the victim contributed to the high contact - I don't think I've ever seen that work.

I hope there's a better case.

 

[Purple Suit]

"Where a Player intends to forcefully push or fend an opposition player off the ball (including to gain separation for the purpose of contesting
the ball) and the effect is that the player “strikes” their opponent, the strike will usually be graded as Intentional."

He wasn’t doing it for separation, he was doing it to counter culleys push.

 

[Cobbler]

Watching that behind goals footage i can’t see any hit to face

He staged it for free kick

Hits him square on the jaw. Even if you can’t see it, you can’t make your own head snap back like that.

I was dubious at first, but that footage is clear. Sadly, he got him high and he knew it by trying to hold him up after.

 

[doppo]

Do any of you punters have any stats regarding our win-loss ratio the next week after a Derby win?

It seems that more often than not there is a loss. I just have no facts to support it.

This on top the Essendon pile on has me nervous this week.

Never a good omen when the oppositions supporters are writing their own team off

 

[Mesc]

Brodie in.

 

[poshman]

If fit I would like Ras to be first in. And Johnson if fit to come in as well.

 

[Bigger]

Culley was running around being a ****ing irritant all night. If he ran into Fyfe and Fyfe was warding him off, then surely that’s all about who instigates contact.

If Fyfey had actually hit the prick it would have knocked his frightwig off.

 

[kingswood71]

He wasn’t doing it for separation, he was doing it to counter culleys push.

"fend an opposition player"......

 

[masai tu]

Considering the campaigners cost him a third Brownlow with a very trivial suspension he should be given 50% extra leniency on any future indiscretions.

The good guy card ?.

I can get lots of good references from cockies, from way out west.

 

[s_wd6]

It’s really crazy how punching a guy who’s running away from you in the back of the head gets one week and fending off a guy who’s about to shove you also gets a week.

The “intentional” criteria are kinda ****ed.

 

[Alfonz]

"fend an opposition player"......

Yes, but the rule was written for a player initiating contact for their own benefit. Fyfe was minding his own business (even looking away) running backwards when Culley starts running at him, so Fyfe stops and braces for contact from a player who had previously taken a cheap shot at someone when they weren't even looking.

I don't know what our legal team can come up with, but I guarantee if Cripps was the offender, then the Carlton lawyer would get him off.

 

[masai tu]

A bit like the days of Richmond when they were sheeit. They eat their own.

That reminds me of the day (eons ago), when the Bulldogs fans were getting a bit feral against the Royals. When the teams were coming off at half time, Ron Alexander grabbed a trainers bucket and upended it on some Bulldog members. Was just cooling them down.

 

[kingswood71]

Yes, but the rule was written for a player initiating contact for their own benefit. Fyfe was minding his own business (even looking away) running backwards when Culley starts running at him, so Fyfe stops and braces for contact from a player who had previously taken a cheap shot at someone when they weren't even looking.

I don't know what our legal team can come up with, but I guarantee if Cripps was the offender, then the Carlton lawyer would get him off.

Yep 100% agree...just stating what the law says about off the ball fends and intentional.
Your post is what they should run with though to try and get it downgraded to careless.