Autopsy Round 3, 2022: Hawks go down to the Blues

[Mississippi]

Agree with the comments about Newcombe.
He was an absolute steal and is getting better week by week.

A strong, medium size, bullocking, hard tackling midfielder - with pace and skills and the ability to kick goals from distance.

If we'd selected him with, say, pick 5 in the draft, we'd be very pleased with ourselves.

 

[Tassie Cryptik]

The steal steel.

 

[Maybloomer]

Wow, that was an incredible performance, blown away in the first quarter, but never ever gave up hope, to come within a whisker of beating one of the inform top teams and come back the way we did, incredible with such a young list. We could have very easily gone down by 100+ more points after that kind of start if we had given up hope and didnt fight back. Very proud of this team. We need at least one more strong key position forward and some more quality in the midfield, but the rest of the signs are really good. On another note, and regardless of this game even as i have watched alot games so far this year, honestly the umpiring never gets better. Why doesnt it? Why dont they get proper education and their performance get properly reviewed after each round? So that they actually learn and the quality of umpiring noticeably improves. Love footy, but games are so often impacted by such poor decisions from umpires and now players cant even argue it? Ok, but at least get clear and obvious decisions right, instead of having completely no idea much of the time. C'mon AFL lift your game!

I'm sure they have their review processes every Monday and work hard to become better umpires and position themselves better to see the play. That's not the problem and not the reason the standard of umpiring is frustrating us so much. It's the rules and interpretations that are the problem and this lies at the feet of the AFL. There cannot be any other sport in the world where the interpretations are so grey. 3 umpires with 3 or 4 interpretations and you have a matrix of results which are "technically correct" but also "technically incorrect" Get rid of the reason to apply the word "technically" and you'll have a better standard of umpiring.

For example, last week a player near the boundary kicked the ball inboard and towards CFH. The ball did a massive spin Peter Daicos would be proud of and rolled OOB. Free kick. On Saturday, Dangerfield did the same thing, fully intending to keep the ball in play. It too, spun OOB. No free. You should not have 2 different interpretations of similar incidents. Get rid of the grey.

Re the HTB rule, the AFL spruiked pre-season about the clamping down on it, how a player with prior opportunity had to get rid of the ball legally by hand or food when tackled. That lasted about 2 rounds, seemed to be missing yesterday on a number of occasions. Choose to bump and take a player high, you miss weeks. Abuse an umpire and you get penalised 50m. No questions asked and players abide by it. Spin out of a tackle and drop the ball, a-la Durdin, and it's play on. Are we meant to abide by that? If that was an umpire error, let us know so we're all on the same page. If not, the matrix just gets bigger.

 

[Lickmesocks]

Agree with the comments about Newcombe.
He was an absolute steel and is getting better week by week.

A strong, medium size, bullocking, hard tackling midfielder - with pace and skills and the ability to kick goals from distance.

If we'd selected him with, say, pick 5 in the draft, we'd be very pleased with ourselves.

Love the way Newc smashes in. When there is a 70/30 ball favoured to the opposition, he throws his body in and knocks it away or somehow lays a huge tackle giving us a chance when the contest looked done . He is a competitive beast.

 

[Lickmesocks]

I'm sure they have their review processes every Monday and work hard to become better umpires and position themselves better to see the play. That's not the problem and not the reason the standard of umpiring is frustrating us so much. It's the rules and interpretations that are the problem and this lies at the feet of the AFL. There cannot be any other sport in the world where the interpretations are so grey. 3 umpires with 3 or 4 interpretations and you have a matrix of results which are "technically correct" but also "technically incorrect" Get rid of the reason to apply the word "technically" and you'll have a better standard of umpiring.

For example, last week a player near the boundary kicked the ball inboard and towards CFH. The ball did a massive spin Peter Daicos would be proud of and rolled OOB. Free kick. On Saturday, Dangerfield did the same thing, fully intending to keep the ball in play. It too, spun OOB. No free. You should not have 2 different interpretations of similar incidents. Get rid of the grey.

Re the HTB rule, the AFL spruiked pre-season about the clamping down on it, how a player with prior opportunity had to get rid of the ball legally by hand or food when tackled. That lasted about 2 rounds, seemed to be missing yesterday on a number of occasions. Choose to bump and take a player high, you miss weeks. Abuse an umpire and you get penalised 50m. No questions asked and players abide by it. Spin out of a tackle and drop the ball, a-la Durdin, and it's play on. Are we meant to abide by that? If that was an umpire error, let us know so we're all on the same page. If not, the matrix just gets bigger.

We are -1 on the season in the free count so I haven’t noticed it like others .

I have seen us multiple times this season given the benefit of the doubt when I thought we would be pinged.

The last qtr yesterday was chaos with players throwing themselves recklessly into packs and I think the whistle could have been blown another 10 times to be honest.

There is always going to be human error around interpretations especially when everything is heightened towards the end of a tight game but that’s the game we play .

Do we want a coaches review to stop the game and go to the video?

 

[LeBuddyRoughShow]

I'm going to come to JOM's defense on that one because I think you're being incredibly harsh when you consider:

• Players didn't know how long there was left on the clock
• He had received a frantic handball in space
• He had Sicily leading up towards him
• He would have been aware of the three blues players triangulating onto him when he received said frantic handball.

I'd say JOM's work with the pill when going by foot has been better this season than the last couple (apart from when he's swinging across our D50...)

Have a look at what Sam Walsh did with 2 minutes 30 seconds left, under more pressure he found a target. That is what an A grade midfielder does

 

[JustKickIt]

Pleasantly surprised by the fightback, fully expected a blow out after that first quarter. It bodes well for the playing group and the coach.

 

[Mississippi]

Pleasantly surprised by the fightback, fully expected a blow out after that first quarter. It bodes well for the playing group and the coach.

Absolutely!
We turned a potential 100 point thrashing into a 1 point loss (after actually hitting the front in the last quarter).
Hard to imagine a bigger confidence builder from a losing game.

 

[Jables]

Newcombe reminds me a bit of Isaac Smith, i'd take that anyday.

I suspect it was more Clarkson unwilling to give young players a chance.

Lol what?

 

[reubski23]

Sad to lose that game that's for sure - that was just a great fight back in the second half especially.

Our backline is up there with the best in the league - so many gun rebounding defenders - once they sorted themselves out in the first quarter they were absolutely elite.

Our forward line is fine - I think Gunston had a poor game yesterday - got caught up fighting for position - rather than focussing on getting on the lead where he is nearly un-stoppable.

Mid-field is the issue and will continue to be so - we got outclassed there yesterday against Walsh and Cripps but if we find a way to breakeven we are going to be ok.

Hopefully we bring our a-grade vs the saints next week

 

[m0zza]

Imagine how good we will be when we have that many decent draft picks? My gut feel is Carlton have at least 15 first rounders on their list including those like cerra marchbank etc from other clubs. Given how close a bottom 4 team got today, is it time Carlton get a priority pick?

Not entirely fair, 16 first rounders (Plus Jack Martin Mini draft Pick 1) include three after pick 15
Only six top 5, and nine top 10
Then ten second rounders

 

[Blackhawk42]

David King on first crack tonight said that if he could play for any club it would be Hawthorn with the way we play and the way Mitchell let’s players continue to take risks and hit the corridor.
Joey Montagna as positive as ever says the Hawks lose no admirers and that we’ll “win a lot of games this year”.

This is the sort of thing we want player managers to start talking about with their interstate clients who might be eyeing a return home to Vic for 2023 and beyond.

Hi Caleb.

Hey Tanner.

 

[Suntory Boss Coffee]

You're missing the point entirely SYL - these stats merely distort the reality.
No one's saying he isn't an endurance runner, we all know that he is.
But he lacks speed at the contest - whether to escape with the ball or catch his man. Have a look at 2 incidents in the last quarter - your big picture stats won't help you there.

Sam Mitchell lacked pace as well but he compensated for that with extraordinary agility and that 6th sense that great footballers have.

I suspect it was Finn's lack of speed at the contest that kept him at Box Hill last year.

Huh? Finn runs a sub 3 20metre sprint. Would be even quicker now after his sprint training in off season.

Definitely not slow. In fact, is actually quick.

 

[m0zza]

Not entirely fair, 16 first rounders (Plus Jack Martin Mini draft Pick 1) include three after pick 15
Only six top 5, and nine top 10
Then ten second rounders

By comparison
7 first rounders (Plus JOM Mini draft 1)
None in top 5, five in top 10
And nine second rounders

 

[PenAndPaper]

Huh? Finn runs a sub 3 20metre sprint. Would be even quicker now after his sprint training in off season.

Definitely not slow. In fact, is actually quick.

Quick on his feet but looks extremely slow in mind unfortunately.

 

[Brishawk]

Frosty at 91% disposal efficiency.
Who would of thought.

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But that one miss kick in the middle was horrific

 

[Off The Couch]

But that one miss kick in the middle was horrific

It was and there were also a couple of wtf moments from CJ - I think this is what they call “learning to live with…. WTF moments”

 

[SSSSSS]

CJ's ability to identify the space, take off and power through is pre-OP Judd like.

 

[hawk for 37]

Duke has been great in all games but does not turn up in the 1st quarters when that initial heat is on.
Seems to be a slow build each week. Come out firing after Quarter time...

 

[hawk for 37]

It was and there were also a couple of wtf moments from CJ - I think this is what they call “learning to live with…. WTF moments”

Like that stop while the little fella runs past you and walks in a goal....howler.

 

[Lethality]

CJ's ability to identify the space, take off and power through is pre-OP Judd like.

CJ just has it all. Maybe the only knock on him is the kicking.

I thought he would be a solid half back, did not expect him to be attacking as well.

 

[Sixpence]

Just watching the replay, that free to SOS against Sic was an absolutely terrible call. Holding each other, 20 metres away and running a different direction to where CJ marked it. The ump who called that must have been on the take.

 

[PenAndPaper]

CJ just has it all. Maybe the only knock on him is the kicking.

I thought he would be a solid half back, did not expect him to be attacking as well.

I have been critical of his kicking in the past but I think he has been excellent in that regard since last year.

I had even written him off as an AFL player 2-3 years ago, boy was I wrong.

 

[badgrill]

Oh my mistake. But can we stop with all the younger team crap. BOTH teams are young and inexperienced. The Hawks will get younger over the next couple of years as those 150 gamers begin to retire.

lol you just said to stop and then brought it up again?

Also you don't seem to understand the difference between age and games played?

 

[Lickmesocks]

Have to agree here, took a couple of short steps.

Siss had a couple during the day where he could of gone harder.