Autopsy Round 3, 2024: Essendon v St.Kilda

[gubby88]

No…he’s not an AFL standard ruckman

He's getting towelled up today. Not to mention he can barely get out of the centre square

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Per above, what’s wrong with Hill and Marshall?

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Nah i think even for Ross or most coaches it’s crap analysis. ‘Oh the players got ahead of themselves’ the players ‘didn’t take the opposition seriously’

Blame the skills, blame the decision making but seriously it was not the ‘players got big heads and thought it would be an easy win’

Did you watch Ross’ presser before posting that?


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[ULTIMATE_WARRIOR]

I’m gonna look at the positives.

We realistically should have won by 4-5 goals yesterday with a young and inexperienced team. The fact we couldn’t convert forced unwelcomed scoreboard pressure and combined with an opposition with a bit of heart that wouldn’t stop coming, the walls inevitably crumbled. I actually thought the defence held up well despite the avalanche coming its way, and off days for usually reliable Wilkie & Battle.

6-7 best 22 players out obviously took its toll. We’ll look better with them back obviously, but I’m comfortable the game plan stacks up. Again it was a game we threw away, but not from lack of planning and system.

Truth is, we’re 3-4 years away and that’s probably a good thing. We probably overachieved last season, and having a look now, it seems we’ll likely regress a bit. That’s ok, improvement isn’t always linear. We may still make finals this year, but I have us down for 12 wins all going to plan, which things never do go to plan so it’s likely less than that. I think we’ll see sides like Geelong & Western Bulldogs slide into the top 8 spot we occupied last season.

The experience for the younger players under such a strong system will be so valuable. The experience in games like yesterday that go down to the wire even more so. You have to lose a few before you learn to win and we haven’t been involved in many games decided under 10 points in recent years, but already two this season. We’ll be a force when we can reliably flip these results and win the close ones.

2-3 more years of solid drafting, and attacking free agency, will see us sitting in the sweet spot for prolonged success right about the time Tassie enter the comp and lower clubs will find it difficult to regenerate lists.

 

[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

just rewatching the second quarter, pou was very good. Great in traffic, burst from a few stoppages, some very good disposals.. looked powerful and will be more so after a few more preseasons. Someone mentioned that he doesn't go hard enough, and there might be some merit in that, but I think he's more a basketbally kind of ready to receive around a contest than a michito/hammil type that is pure head over the ball. Would love to see a bit more of that from him though

 

[Ads734]

Did you watch Ross’ presser before posting that?


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Yes I watch all of Ross s pressers

 

[StFly]

I’m gonna look at the positives.

We realistically should have won by 4-5 goals yesterday with a young and inexperienced team. The fact we couldn’t convert forced unwelcomed scoreboard pressure and combined with an opposition with a bit of heart that wouldn’t stop coming, the walls inevitably crumbled. I actually thought the defence held up well despite the avalanche coming its way, and off days for usually reliable Wilkie & Battle.

6-7 best 22 players out obviously took its toll. We’ll look better with them back obviously, but I’m comfortable the game plan stacks up. Again it was a game we threw away, but not from lack of planning and system.

Truth is, we’re 3-4 years away and that’s probably a good thing. We probably overachieved last season, and having a look now, it seems we’ll likely regress a bit. That’s ok, improvement isn’t always linear. We may still make finals this year, but I have us down for 12 wins all going to plan, which things never do go to plan so it’s likely less than that. I think we’ll see sides like Geelong & Western Bulldogs slide into the top 8 spot we occupied last season.

The experience for the younger players under such a strong system will be so valuable. The experience in games like yesterday that go down to the wire even more so. You have to lose a few before you learn to win and we haven’t been involved in many games decided under 10 points in recent years, but already two this season. We’ll be a force when we can reliably flip these results and win the close ones.

2-3 more years of solid drafting, and attacking free agency, will see us sitting in the sweet spot for prolonged success right about the time Tassie enter the comp and lower clubs will find it difficult to regenerate lists.

Agree with most of this however last year for me it was more we knew going in how many would miss and so we had time to work on a solution and move pieces around. This season where we had most with training and we knew, we then ran into "you're now losing X-Z" and having to blood new in critical posts, so this then causes reshuffling and things, which when you consider it's still very early in the season, that throws plans out the window almost initially.

People understate somewhat how important guys like Wood are to our structure, because really, we need Owens and Membrey to do what he does and neither do to the same level, Sharman is not the answer either, they all can star in F50 but around the ground each lack for reasons in that side....

If we knew this going into the season, that Wood would miss a chunk of footy, than we're not shoehorning Sharman into that role on minimal preparation. we brought Dow in to assist the midfield and injury, so we're stuck with the same mids only without depth due to injuries, these things pile.

I don't envy the footy dept, I'd love to be in there though to see how they solve it...

 

[ScrappyDo]

Reality is that most of our real talent is 23yo and under. We've cut all the real deadwood last year and drafted really well and at the end of this season we'll hit the period where we can burn a bit of draft capital. SOS has already put the burly on the water too.

 

[stavro#4]

Get ****ed

 

[Leigh58]

I’m gonna look at the positives.

We realistically should have won by 4-5 goals yesterday with a young and inexperienced team. The fact we couldn’t convert forced unwelcomed scoreboard pressure and combined with an opposition with a bit of heart that wouldn’t stop coming, the walls inevitably crumbled. I actually thought the defence held up well despite the avalanche coming its way, and off days for usually reliable Wilkie & Battle.

6-7 best 22 players out obviously took its toll. We’ll look better with them back obviously, but I’m comfortable the game plan stacks up. Again it was a game we threw away, but not from lack of planning and system.

Truth is, we’re 3-4 years away and that’s probably a good thing. We probably overachieved last season, and having a look now, it seems we’ll likely regress a bit. That’s ok, improvement isn’t always linear. We may still make finals this year, but I have us down for 12 wins all going to plan, which things never do go to plan so it’s likely less than that. I think we’ll see sides like Geelong & Western Bulldogs slide into the top 8 spot we occupied last season.

The experience for the younger players under such a strong system will be so valuable. The experience in games like yesterday that go down to the wire even more so. You have to lose a few before you learn to win and we haven’t been involved in many games decided under 10 points in recent years, but already two this season. We’ll be a force when we can reliably flip these results and win the close ones.

2-3 more years of solid drafting, and attacking free agency, will see us sitting in the sweet spot for prolonged success right about the time Tassie enter the comp and lower clubs will find it difficult to regenerate lists

I’m gonna look at the positives.

We realistically should have won by 4-5 goals yesterday with a young and inexperienced team. The fact we couldn’t convert forced unwelcomed scoreboard pressure and combined with an opposition with a bit of heart that wouldn’t stop coming, the walls inevitably crumbled. I actually thought the defence held up well despite the avalanche coming its way, and off days for usually reliable Wilkie & Battle.

6-7 best 22 players out obviously took its toll. We’ll look better with them back obviously, but I’m comfortable the game plan stacks up. Again it was a game we threw away, but not from lack of planning and system.

Truth is, we’re 3-4 years away and that’s probably a good thing. We probably overachieved last season, and having a look now, it seems we’ll likely regress a bit. That’s ok, improvement isn’t always linear. We may still make finals this year, but I have us down for 12 wins all going to plan, which things never do go to plan so it’s likely less than that. I think we’ll see sides like Geelong & Western Bulldogs slide into the top 8 spot we occupied last season.

The experience for the younger players under such a strong system will be so valuable. The experience in games like yesterday that go down to the wire even more so. You have to lose a few before you learn to win and we haven’t been involved in many games decided under 10 points in recent years, but already two this season. We’ll be a force when we can reliably flip these results and win the close ones.

2-3 more years of solid drafting, and attacking free agency, will see us sitting in the sweet spot for prolonged success right about the time Tassie enter the comp and lower clubs will find it difficult to regenerate lists.

Good post.
I am going to look at some negatives however.
St Kilda FC has been around since 1873. Eleven years before my grandfather was born, in 1884.
This was before the invention of the motor vehicle and aeroplane.
It was many years before the Boer War, the Great War and Second World Wars.
The list goes on and on.

Sadly we have won one day premiership only since our inception, by one point only.

From a personal point of view I have watched the saints live on well over 500, perhaps 600 occasions. I have never once seen a premiership live as I was unable to attend in 1966.

On this Easter day I reflect on many false dawns. We have often looked promising but never seem to really deliver.

Is this current crop of players likely to be as good as Gehrig, Riewoldt, Kosi, Harvey, Milney, Max Hughton, Hamill, Goddard, Dal Santo, Clarke, Goose and the like?

How many premierships did these players enjoy, or countless other guns such as Plugger, Nicky W, Burke, Loewe etc?

None sadly...
I of course hope that a new generation of stars delivers us a much needed second flag.

Unfortunately many of us will not see this if history is to guide us.

 

[moirae42]

Get ****ed.
Just **** right off.

Appeal that. Moved to avoid contact.

**** right off.

 

[ULTIMATE_WARRIOR]

Get ****ed

I can’t believe I was sitting there watching training in Feb thinking gee we’re in good nick & looking healthy.

2 months & 3 rounds later it’s diabolical on the injury and suspension front.

Ah well… St. Kilda

 

[my name was taken]

3 suspensions in 4 games, who's next

 

[StFly]

3 suspensions in 4 games, who's next

NWM for shimmying to the left to lace out a kick and a player attempting the smother to KO himself on the boot follow through.

MC: "he could have just handballed instead."

 

[Armitage2Riewoldt]

Unsocialable saints baby.

Who's next on our list

 

[Saint Watto]

but won’t be watching the replay of this one to find out!

In....the....Bin !!!!!!

 

[Diehard Saint]

Bloody hell, so Windy, Marshall and Hill out. Our injury record is abysmal

What???
Marshall and Hill?

 

[Diehard Saint]

Such lazy crap analysis. Based on what do you think the players got ‘ahead of themselves’. Old fashioned straw man thinking.

Agree.
They did not start the game ahead of themselves. If we’d kicked straight it would’ve been a win. But we gave Essendon every chance to get back in it. Which they did.

Blind Freddy would have seen it happening.
4.4
2.4
2.4
Shot ourselves in the foot.

 

[Saints43]

Good post.
I am going to look at some negatives however.
St Kilda FC has been around since 1873. Eleven years before my grandfather was born, in 1884.
This was before the invention of the motor vehicle and aeroplane.
It was many years before the Boer War, the Great War and Second World Wars.
The list goes on and on.

Sadly we have won one day premiership only since our inception, by one point only.

From a personal point of view I have watched the saints live on well over 500, perhaps 600 occasions. I have never once seen a premiership live as I was unable to attend in 1966.

On this Easter day I reflect on many false dawns. We have often looked promising but never seem to really deliver.

Is this current crop of players likely to be as good as Gehrig, Riewoldt, Kosi, Harvey, Milney, Max Hughton, Hamill, Goddard, Dal Santo, Clarke, Goose and the like?

How many premierships did these players enjoy, or countless other guns such as Plugger, Nicky W, Burke, Loewe etc?

None sadly...
I of course hope that a new generation of stars delivers us a much needed second flag.

Unfortunately many of us will not see this if history is to guide us.

I didn't read the post beyond the "in a 150 years" part.
Who gives a **** that we didn't win a flag in 1922 or 1951? Who cares?

 

[tomjoad]

Probably not a good time to start eating our own. This will be a tough time ahead

True.

 

[BrutThough]

Get ****ed

This sport has lost the plot.

 

[tomjoad]

The judgement of good captaincy and leadership is perhaps one of the most overrated , irrelevant and impossible to quantify things.

It’s so subjective, no way to ever know if it’s the club culture or the leader.

That's the part that I'm focussing on. Steele was probably the best option whilst our culture was wallowing in mediocrity, and standards (driven by lacklustre coaches)
That culture has changed (driven by coaches, and a working footy department in general) Steele however may not presently best reflect that shift, but may instead be our "only" option, whilst we wait for the younger brigade to seize the day.

 

[Cairnsman]

It's now or never for Heath.

 

[Saint Watto]

We really did cop an Essendon edging.

It was an edging deluxe !!!!!!

I could go on further.....but I won't for obvious reasons.

That dire result certainly was not a happy ending for me....

 

[TheJackal]

This sport has lost the plot.

It really has, he is better off lining up the player and dropping his knees into his sliding body. 100% would get a free kick vs a 1 match ban.

What a shocking 24ish hours it's been in sport for my 3 teams