Round 3:- Blues V Bombers pre match discussion

[40yearBLUE]

You asked me to name one young decent midfield prospect. I reeled off 4. You then proceed to talk utter tripe. Are you taking the piss? That's 3-4 consecutive posts where you have gone off on different tangents. Where did you get Watson from? Where did I call Zaharakis a gun!? You are a troubled lad.

I asked you to name one decent midfield prospect. Perhaps you misunderstood the meaning of decent, I dont mean fine christian upbringing, I mean has the remotest chance of turning into an Elite. You and your dumbass interlopers are all over the shop, go up the page to see where another of your deluded following declares Watson and Hille the gun mid duo of the comp for the past 2 years. The task was to name one from the past 5 years. And finally we come to Zach. A first gamer has a good one and you bracket him in as a future elite?

And we have the grand finalle, every time I point out the glaring weakness in your arguments you pull out the some malarky about tangents. Each post I have made has been in context, and on point. You just fail to grasp them, well I think you have been grasping something just a little too much. Get yer hand off it before you do yourself some permanent damage.

 

[nighthawk]

I asked you to name one decent midfield prospect. Perhaps you misunderstood the meaning of decent, I dont mean fine christian upbringing, I mean has the remotest chance of turning into an Elite. You and your dumbass interlopers are all over the shop, go up the page to see where another of your deluded following declares Watson and Hille the gun mid duo of the comp for the past 2 years. The task was to name one from the past 5 years. And finally we come to Zach. A first gamer has a good one and you bracket him in as a future elite?

And we have the grand finalle, every time I point out the glaring weakness in your arguments you pull out the some malarky about tangents. Each post I have made has been in context, and on point. You just fail to grasp them, well I think you have been grasping something just a little too much. Get yer hand off it before you do yourself some permanent damage.

Apart from the fact these sentences don't even make sense, I'll move on and say that it seems a bit odd that you're the only one who thinks your posts are clever, and that everyone else thinks you're a moron. Any chance that you're willing to go with the general consensus, or you are both stupid and stubborn??

Anyway, seeing as you like to blame our recruiting team, here's a more realistic version of the past few years. Last year we took Hurley, which was the right choice and you would have taken him if he was available too. Then our second round pick was a midfielder. The year before our first round pick was Myers, who was picked for a midfield role. The year before that we would have taken Gibbs, but you guys had first pick and took him so we took the next available talent in Gumby, and it's unfortunate he hasn't contributed anything. Then we took Hislop, who was talented, but delisted for off field dramas. It's not like our recruiting department has done anything different to yours, we've just picked the best available talent at our available picks, which is what you've done too.

Again, Hille and Watson are the combo that lead the competition in terms of winning clearances, so not sure why you continue to bash them.

Anyway, unfortunately I'm sure you'll reply but alas, I won't be around for a few days to shut you down again. How disappointing... I was enjoying making a fool of you on your own board.

 

[parrot]

...Anyway, seeing as you like to blame our recruiting team,....

Well, the Dons easily have the worst midfield in the AFL, so I guess someone's to blame. Or do you put it all down to "bad luck".

 

[Dick johnson]

Name us 1 decent young midfield prosect you have recruited in the last 5 drafts. Just 1.

In fact dont bother, you are delusional and frankly we dont care how low you sink until you reailse just how bad your list is.

Oh yeah thats some gun midfield crew you guys have built. And rated too. All the top teams dream of having that combination. They make Judd, Gibbs, Murph and Stevens look second rate. Oh I can just see Clarko and Bomber now, pulling their hair out wondering how they are gonna stop them. Throw in the best ruck in the comp in Hille and wow you guys are gonna go far.

Zacharias. Please. He has been nominated for a rising star ffs. Thats all. Has played all of 1 games. That would be like me throwing Mitch Robinson into our midfield and calling him a gun already. I noticed you didnt mention that other star clearance winner Jobe. Why not, you and your mates were all over him earlier with stats about this with Hille and stats about that last year, and what a great couple them make. Get real you wally.

Actually I am calling that enough, it is cruel to keep teasing someone who is clearly challenged as you seem to be. But good on your for trying.

are you really that simple? you asked for midfield prospect. how are Zaharakis, Riemers, Lonergan, Houli not prospects seeing as they were drafted for a midfield role (although reimers moves around) and each of them have been noted for their potential by receiving a rising star?! i actually cant get over how silly you look when you ask for something, it gets given to you, and you just ignore it.
no one said that they are better than you midfield, they are our next generation, and the most one of them has played would be around 15 games, they arnt meant to be the best in the league, they are meant to be prospects.....just like you asked!
as for disregarding hille, no he hasnt had his best games in the first 2 rounds, but do you remember how we got the upper hand on you last year? it was through hille towling you and our midfield gaining most clearances. Now im not saying the same thing will happen again, but you would honestly have to be out of this world, to suggest that we need to 'get real' just because you are denying fact.

 

[parrot]

.. I know plenty about the modern game......

This made me laugh. I suspect you're overestimating your capabilities and underestimating your limitations. You see, if you did know anything about the "modern game" you'd know Lucus and Lloyd" aren't part of it. The game has moved on. These guys are desperate to play on still, because they haven't come to terms with life after footy i.e. self-interest above the team. Dons still play them because they have no other KP forward option - a consequence of negligent list management. It's a mess.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

I really can't wait to play Dads Army this weekend

 

[parrot]

I really can't wait to play Dads Army this weekend

Yes. And I wonder where they'll try to hide Matty Lloyd this week? He usually rotates between bench and some area around HF and HB where he can look busy without actually doing anything.

 

[40yearBLUE]

are you really that simple? you asked for midfield prospect. how are Zaharakis, Riemers, Lonergan, Houli not prospects seeing as they were drafted for a midfield role (although reimers moves around) and each of them have been noted for their potential by receiving a rising star?! i actually cant get over how silly you look when you ask for something, it gets given to you, and you just ignore it.
no one said that they are better than you midfield, they are our next generation, and the most one of them has played would be around 15 games, they arnt meant to be the best in the league, they are meant to be prospects.....just like you asked!
as for disregarding hille, no he hasnt had his best games in the first 2 rounds, but do you remember how we got the upper hand on you last year? it was through hille towling you and our midfield gaining most clearances. Now im not saying the same thing will happen again, but you would honestly have to be out of this world, to suggest that we need to 'get real' just because you are denying fact.

Lets go through this slowly because you and your dumbass mates are clearly lost and learning impaired. How are Zach, Assreimer and the rest of that motley bunch remotely ELITE? They may play in the midfield or once did as a junior but havent been anywhere near it since they got their first body hair, but remind me again which if any are even in the top 50 mids let alone ELITE? Just giving someone a run through the middle does not make them a prospect. Having emerging talent, being rated by others, being even close to competetive against other rated mids, that is how you rate someone as a prospect, what you have there is fools gold son, looks like a mid, runs through the mid, was once called a mid in school but not remotely near what an elite mid can do. Gibbs and Murph, they are elite prospects if not elite already. So again I ask you, NAME ME 1 DECENT MID prospect. You cant cos your recruiters have failed you miserably in this regard. The one area of the modern game ALL agree is key to winning flags, and this is what you throw up? YOUR TEAM RIVALS RICHMOND FOR THE MOST INEPT RECRUITING.

And finally we return to Hille who had a fair season among a bunch of aging ex champions and average kids (who funnily enough you rate as your future elite mids???). But again you need to be reminded that what Hille did last year is IRRELEVENT. Fish once kicked a bag of goals in a season, cant get a run now. It matters not what once was, it matters what is. And so far he is 0-2 in the getting spanked department. How many spanking you think before you give him a look at the magoos? I would say he plays all year getting hammered cos besides no mids, you got no rucks either. And no emerging Key forwards, oh thats right I keep forgetting, this is Gumbies year, and no key defenders, oh thats right, the son of the messiah Hurley who apparantly everyone was gonna take but the Bombers snaffled him first.

So let me remind you, get real means come back to the here and now. So yes get real, get your collective hands off them joysticks and start seeing the reality of the mess you are in.

 

[40yearBLUE]

Apart from the fact these sentences don't even make sense, I'll move on and say that it seems a bit odd that you're the only one who thinks your posts are clever, and that everyone else thinks you're a moron. Any chance that you're willing to go with the general consensus, or you are both stupid and stubborn??

Anyway, seeing as you like to blame our recruiting team, here's a more realistic version of the past few years. Last year we took Hurley, which was the right choice and you would have taken him if he was available too. Then our second round pick was a midfielder. The year before our first round pick was Myers, who was picked for a midfield role. The year before that we would have taken Gibbs, but you guys had first pick and took him so we took the next available talent in Gumby, and it's unfortunate he hasn't contributed anything. Then we took Hislop, who was talented, but delisted for off field dramas. It's not like our recruiting department has done anything different to yours, we've just picked the best available talent at our available picks, which is what you've done too.

Again, Hille and Watson are the combo that lead the competition in terms of winning clearances, so not sure why you continue to bash them.

Anyway, unfortunately I'm sure you'll reply but alas, I won't be around for a few days to shut you down again. How disappointing... I was enjoying making a fool of you on your own board.

Are you mental? Do you have the slightest inkling where you are posting. Take a poll here you mental giant. And we will see who thinks who is a moron. Also go see if you can find a post of mine anywhere but on our boards. I dont waste my time, nor do I have the discourtesy of posting on other teams boards and if I did it would only ever to be complementary about another team or player on their own board. So lets not challange me to see who is the more respected here dickwad, because I doubt you could raise a vote in here.

And then we come to excuse making, it comes right after denial in the 7 steps to recovery. Oh you took Gibbs first, oh Gumby is exactly what his name implies and how were we to know, oh we took Hisplop who looked good on paper but we didnt interview him so had no idea he was a pickle, oh we used to have a gun midfield and then forgot how important gun mids are, oh have some pity on us, after all we do have Hille and Watson, the GUN RATED CLEARANCE TEAM. The only thing clearance about these 2 is the prices you would get in a garage sale.

Shut me down again?, the only thing you have shut is your eyes, you have closed them so as not to see the reality that is gonna hit you hard due to your teams total lack of planning. Look I will say this in empathy, I let the tiger delusionoids know this when they came on here all brave before RD1, we do know where you are coming from, we once had an aging coach so bereft of ideas that he clung to aging champions instead of recruiting for future glory, thankfully we saw the folly in this and look where it is taking us, on an express elevator to the top, (maybe Knights will see the mess he has been left and offer you the 5 year wallets plan or maybe he has balls and will tell you all just how bleak your future is if you dont restructure, either way you are in a power of trouble right now). If you had any sense about you, you would respect that others might know a little about your future having just lived it in our recent past and take note of the kind of advise you have been given about how to fix the mess instead of coming on here trying to outsmart posters that are clearly a couple of leagues ahead of you.

 

[HBF]

Anyway, seeing as you like to blame our recruiting team, here's a more realistic version of the past few years.

With good reason nighthawk. I've seen Adrian Dodoro do this so many times it's not funny - he turns up late to TAC games, makes no notes, and spends more time socialising with his mates rather than watching the game, and then buggers off early.

Hurley was a no-brainer at #5 for you guys last year, although a Daniel Rich would have had an immediate impact in your midfield. Zaharakis was also a good pick, but you can't expect those type of performances every week.

You only have to look at Essendon's past two weeks to realise that you're not as good as what posters are making them out to be. Spanked by Port in week one, who was then spanked by West Coast in week 2, and you beat Fremantle at home - a team that is hopeless away from Subiaco.

 

[Dick johnson]

How are Zach, Assreimer and the rest of that motley bunch remotely ELITE? They may play in the midfield or once did as a junior but havent been anywhere near it since they got their first body hair, but remind me again which if any are even in the top 50 mids let alone ELITE? Just giving someone a run through the middle does not make them a prospect. Having emerging talent, being rated by others, being even close to competetive against other rated mids, that is how you rate someone as a prospect, what you have there is fools gold son, looks like a mid, runs through the mid, was once called a mid in school but not remotely near what an elite mid can do. Gibbs and Murph, they are elite prospects if not elite already. So again I ask you, NAME ME 1 DECENT MID prospect. You cant cos your recruiters have failed you miserably in this regard. The one area of the modern game ALL agree is key to winning flags, and this is what you throw up? YOUR TEAM RIVALS RICHMOND FOR THE MOST INEPT RECRUITING.

And finally we return to Hille who had a fair season among a bunch of aging ex champions and average kids (who funnily enough you rate as your future elite mids???). But again you need to be reminded that what Hille did last year is IRRELEVENT. Fish once kicked a bag of goals in a season, cant get a run now. It matters not what once was, it matters what is. And so far he is 0-2 in the getting spanked department. How many spanking you think before you give him a look at the magoos? I would say he plays all year getting hammered cos besides no mids, you got no rucks either. And no emerging Key forwards, oh thats right I keep forgetting, this is Gumbies year, and no key defenders, oh thats right, the son of the messiah Hurley who apparantly everyone was gonna take but the Bombers snaffled him first.

So let me remind you, get real means come back to the here and now. So yes get real, get your collective hands off them joysticks and start seeing the reality of the mess you are in.

*sigh* can you please do me a favour, actually read what i'm saying. When did i say they were elite?
Would you consider all of them gaining a rising star nomination as being rated by others?
Of course they are not at the standard of elite mids, BECAUSE THEYVE ONLY PLAYED A FEW GAMES! jeez mate, 18 year olds dont just start elite. was bryce and murph elite in their first years? NO!

As for recruiting? jeez, your mob have done great work with your backline havnt they

I admitted that the same might not happen with hille, but highlighted it would be niave to think he will add nothing. Buddy hasnt kicked that many this season for his standards, so would you just accept that he is not up to it anymore and put your 3rd best def on him? no

i never said we were destined to be great this year of the next, im simply highlighting your stupidity to say we have no talent or prospects

you are stupid,
your knoweledge is stupid,
and your posts are stupid,
save yourself some embarrassment

 

[Faz 2000]

Loud noises!!!

 

[The Donners]

Is it our fault that your coaching staff want to continue playing 30+ year old players & that one of those 30+ year olds is Essendon's best player (kind of reminds you of Richo at Richmond)?

McVeigh is Essendon's best player. Lloyd hasn't kicked a goal in 2 weeks, hardly makes him Essendon's best player.

Just in case you have any doubts, our team for both Rounds 1 & 2 contained 11 players with less than 50 games experience, while Essendon's Round 2 team contained 9 players with less than 50 games experience. Fascinating stuff, isn't it? Hadley and Gibbs have played 49 games and 45 games respectively. How about we look at more telling statistics below:

Essendon have also played 7 players who have played < 10 games as opposed to Carlton who have played 4 players to have played < 10 games.

Carlton had 6 players to have played < 25 games whereas Essendon had 12 players to have played < 25 games.

Essendon have easily been the most inexperienced of the 2 teams. Essendon are probably second only to Melbourne as the most inexperienced team in the competition... and that is by a whisker.

 

[Cthublhu]

You only have to look at Essendon's past two weeks to realise that you're not as good as what posters are making them out to be. Spanked by Port in week one, who was then spanked by West Coast in week 2, and you beat Fremantle at home - a team that is hopeless away from Subiaco.

Those last three words are superfluous.

 

[parrot]

...Essendon have easily been the most inexperienced ...

Facts say otherwise of course. The Blues starting 22 is younger, and has less games experience. Our oldest is 29, and the Dons have 3 well over 30 years old. These are just facts. You're in a nasty case of denial I'm afraid. I suspect you were hoping to use the inexperience excuse to explain why the Dons midfield is utter rubbish. Too bad. The reason is list management incompetence, and ordinary coaching and you know that. The Dons list is a bit of a joke.

 

[Jesse Custer]

Facts say otherwise of course. The Blues starting 22 is younger, and has less games experience. Our oldest is 29, and the Dons have 3 well over 30 years old. These are just facts. You're in a nasty case of denial I'm afraid. I suspect you were hoping to use the inexperience excuse to explain why the Dons midfield is utter rubbish. Too bad. The reason is list management incompetence, and ordinary coaching and you know that. The Dons list is a bit of a joke.

The facts are 30, 31 and 34. Whilst one is well over 30 the other two ain't. These are facts. Therefore you're wrong again. The rest is delusions of grandeur parrot, which always accompanies any one of your posts.

 

[parrot]

3, 30+ players in your starting 22, isn't exactly a "youth policy", unless you're an Essendon or Richmond supporter I guess. The other festering disaster is that the Dons are being forced to play Matty Lloyd because he's captain and won't retire. Someone forgot to have an honest chat with Lloyd at the end of season 2008, and you're now paying the price.

 

[Jesse Custer]

3, 30+ players in your starting 22, isn't exactly a "youth policy", unless you're an Essendon or Richmond supporter I guess. The other festering disaster is that the Dons are being forced to play Matty Lloyd because he's captain and won't retire. Someone forgot to have an honest chat with Lloyd at the end of season 2008, and you're now paying the price.

You admit you're wrong well done parrot.

Having a 29 year old playing for your mob doesn't make you any better either. We all know why they are out there, but lets not get reality mixed up with fantasy hey? As for Lloyd, you'll get egg on your face just like you did last year. Keep chirping away parrot, as i said before your delusional ramblings are very amusing.

Anyway, goodluck on saturday.

 

[parrot]

....y mixed up with fantasy hey? ....

Fantasy is to suggest that the Dons actually have a midfield.

 

[The Donners]

So Essendon are known as a defensive unit & Carlton have a lack of accountability. That is correct. Yet Essendon have played last year's 13th & 14th placed teams (both will be down there again this year), while Carlton have played last year's 9th & 10th placed teams & have conceded less points than Essendon, while at the same time scoring 94 more points than Essendon. Are you Irish? You think Richmond played like a 9th placed team? They played worse than Melbourne have in their first 2 hitouts, this year's bottom side. Brisbane are finished, they won 3 games for the second half of last season and they narrowly defeated last year's 2nd bottom team in WCE on their home soil in round 1 and Carlton only beat Brisbane by 3 goals on Carlton's home soil.

Carlton finished 11th last season, does that mean they're going to finish 11th again?

Port Adelaide will finish above both Richmond and Brisbane.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

3, 30+ players in your starting 22, isn't exactly a "youth policy", unless you're an Essendon or Richmond supporter I guess. The other festering disaster is that the Dons are being forced to play Matty Lloyd because he's captain and won't retire. Someone forgot to have an honest chat with Lloyd at the end of season 2008, and you're now paying the price.

The worst thing for them, as Fletcher trundles on, and the game passes the other 2 by, it seems all will go at once, right in the middle of the GC,
West Sydney anal probe drafts.

Or will these grand old men of football play through all of this?

No-one is really thinking it through at Essendon are they.

 

[parrot]

...Port Adelaide will finish above both Richmond and Brisbane.

Do you actually watch any footy games? Port are bottom 2 material. They just got smashed by the Weagles. Brisbane are in good form, have a decent list, and a very good midfield, and are a chance to make the finals this year. Bleakmond looked destined for the bottom 4 but if they fire up and have some luck they could reach 9th Again. The Dons got smashed by Port in an embarrassing display, because Port actually have some midfielders, whereas the Dons don't have a midfield.

 

[The Donners]

Then why do all the betting agents/bookies have you 4th favourite for the wooden spoon.

If you;re not concerned what people think why are you posting on the Carlton board. You;re worried...and deluded. Suggest you get your facts right. It's called friendly banter!

You're using betting agencies as your argument for why Essendon will finish bottom 4. Essendon were 2nd favourite for wooden spoon 1 week ago, if they beat Carlton Saturday night, I dare say we'll be well clear of 4th favourite for wooden spoon. What point does that make?

 

[The Donners]

Do you actually watch any footy games? Port are bottom 2 material. They just got smashed by the Weagles. Brisbane are in good form, have a decent list, and a very good midfield, and are a chance to make the finals this year. Bleakmond looked destined for the bottom 4 but if they fire up and have some luck they could reach 9th Again. The Dons got smashed by Port in an embarrassing display, because Port actually have some midfielders, whereas the Dons don't have a midfield.

I'm tipping I watch more football games than you, WCE are far better than you're giving them credit for and to play WCE on their home soil is no easy fete.

Simply put, Brisbane are shit. They have no backline and their only avenue to goal is Brown and Bradshaw.... Hooper <s******>. Their midfield is slow, it looks adequate against Carlton's which is also slow.

You are on drugs if you think Brisbane will make the finals.

 

[The Donners]

The worst thing for them, as Fletcher trundles on, and the game passes the other 2 by, it seems all will go at once, right in the middle of the GC,
West Sydney anal probe drafts.

Or will these grand old men of football play through all of this?

No-one is really thinking it through at Essendon are they.

Hurley and Pears to replace Fletcher.

2 of Gumbleton, Ryder and Neagle to replace Lloyd and Lucas.

Who will replace Fevola when West Sydney come in?