Round 3:- Blues V Bombers pre match discussion

[Stig O'Hara]

Hurley and Pears to replace Fletcher.

2 of Gumbleton, Ryder and Neagle to replace Lloyd and Lucas.

Who will replace Fevola when West Sydney come in?

Yeah good luck with all of that, you traded 39 for a bloke with a bung knee,
we took a fairly reasonable bloke at 40 (Robinson).

Can't wait to buy the Hayden Skipworth highlight DVD, should go for 2 minutes.
And he has settled so well with his new buddies.

Fevola has 7goals from 40 team, have a different game plan now,
though he will still get his 8 on Saturday night.

 

[Blues_Man]

I'm tipping I watch more football games than you, WCE are far better than you're giving them credit for and to play WCE on their home soil is no easy fete.

Simply put, Brisbane are shit. They have no backline and their only avenue to goal is Brown and Bradshaw.... Hooper <s******>. Their midfield is slow, it looks adequate against Carlton's which is also slow.

You are on drugs if you think Brisbane will make the finals.

So is it more like a fair ? you illiterate moron

Brisbane's midfield would run rings around the bummers outfit, the actually have some quality in there like Black and Power ..i know they have watson the clanger king to contend with but most pundits would give the Lions the nod over a very very ordinary bummers line up.

 

[The Donners]

Yeah good luck with all of that, you traded 39 for a bloke with a bung knee,
we took a fairly reasonable bloke at 40 (Robinson).

Can't wait to buy the Hayden Skipworth highlight DVD, should go for 2 minutes.
And he has settled so well with his new buddies.

Fevola has 7goals from 40 team, have a different game plan now,
though he will still get his 8 on Saturday night.

Hurley kept Tredrea goalless and Pears kept Pavlich to 2 goals. I appreciate your wishing of luck.

I rated Robinson's first game, fantastic enthusiasm, could be a great find at pick 40... he's played 2 games and his second game was a fair way off his first in terms of influence on the game. Tell me who wouldn't take Brent Prismall over Mitch Robinson?

Skipworth, that old chestnut, we had to give up so much to obtain him!

In a week we were missing McVeigh, Welsh, Prismall, Reimers, Myers and didn't play Zaharikis and it was Winderlich's first game back since round 11, 2008 (and back surgery) Skipworth picked up 30 touches at 83% effective disposal and kicked a goal. One of the exact reasons Skipworth was drafted was to add depth and with all bar Watson and Lovett of our best midfield structure out of the team, Skipworth did just that - add depth.

Tit-for-tat - Carlton gave away pick 24 for an unproven 205cm ruckman who was behind Kepler Bradley, Daniel Gilmore and Michael Johnson as Fremantle's backup ruckman. Essendon have a 205cm ruckman (Christian Bock - brother of Nathan) and all they gave away was a rookie draft pick.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Tell me who wouldn't take Brent Prismall over Mitch Robinson?

We wouldn't.

Essentially you have added average depth to a very average midfield, and still rely on 3 old warhorses, cluttering up 3 key postions, with one decent ruckman.

Gonna get real messy, real quick, for your lot.

 

[CarltonFan]

Hurley kept Tredrea goalless

even I could keep tredrea goaless. He is finished.

Tell me who wouldn't take Brent Prismall over Mitch Robinson?

lol

 

[parrot]

I.... WCE are far better than you're giving them credit for and to play WCE .....

The reason the Dons got smashed by Port, was that the Dons midfield is talentless rubbish. An unconvincing win against Freo doesn't change that fact.

 

[EssendonPride]

Yeah good luck with all of that, you traded 39 for a bloke with a bung knee,
we took a fairly reasonable bloke at 40 (Robinson).

Can't wait to buy the Hayden Skipworth highlight DVD, should go for 2 minutes.
And he has settled so well with his new buddies.

Fevola has 7goals from 40 team, have a different game plan now,
though he will still get his 8 on Saturday night.

Lloyd and Lucas combined have 2/25 of our goals.

We wouldn't.

Essentially you have added average depth to a very average midfield, and still rely on 3 old warhorses, cluttering up 3 key postions, with one decent ruckman.

Gonna get real messy, real quick, for your lot.

We're relying on 2 key forwards that have kicked less than 10% of our score combined?
You guys need to get your stories straight. Half of you say they're finished and should have retired last year, the other half think we rely on them.

Can't have it both ways.

As was asked earlier though, who is your backup once Fev goes? He might not be kicking that many of your goals this year (injured), but the structure he provides.. If he were to go down with injury, or if his heel flares up, who's your full forward? Fisher? ouch.
At least we've been trying to draft to cover these guys. Gumbys had alot of injury troubles, but you can't argue that he wasn't highly rated pre-draft.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Lloyd and Lucas combined have 2/25 of our goals.


Can't have it both ways.

As was asked earlier though, who is your backup once Fev goes?
At least we've been trying to draft to cover these guys. Gumbys had alot of injury troubles, but you can't argue that he wasn't highly rated pre-draft.

What are you talking about, Fev's kicked 7/40 and no-one has lifted an eyebrow.
We have a spread of goalkickers now, think they call it options.

Titmus and Cowdrey have 2/25 and it stands out like dogs balls.

Essendon now are Carlton 3 years ago.

 

[The Donners]

So is it more like a fair ? you illiterate moron

Brisbane's midfield would run rings around the bummers outfit, the actually have some quality in there like Black and Power ..i know they have watson the clanger king to contend with but most pundits would give the Lions the nod over a very very ordinary bummers line up.

I don't care for the spelling error, do you?

Who won out of Essendon and Brisbane in '08? Hmmm? Obviously Black and Power didn't run enough rings around our midfield.

Round 1: Watson - 30 possessions (71% effective disposal)
Round 2: Watson - 31 possessions (67% effective disposal)

That's not bad for an in-and-under midfielder. Have I mentioned Hille/Watson are the most prolific ruck/midielder combination in the competition???

 

[The Donners]

The reason the Dons got smashed by Port, was that the Dons midfield is talentless rubbish. An unconvincing win against Freo doesn't change that fact.

A 6 goal win isn't convincing?

Our talentless midfield handed your arses on a platter twice in '08!

 

[ESKIE]

Mate, I agree that Carlton's list is very strong. Don't think I'm dissing your side. But you clearly have no idea about our list (especially about the coaching department, where you think ratten is better than Knights??? WTF?)

Anyway, I guess we'll see at season's end who was right about bottom 4 or not.

Ratten is better than Knights....more experienced. (Better player too)

It's known (and I've read) that Essendon members and supporter are very divided over Knights... if you think otherwise..well another deluded Essending dong supporter.

 

[40yearBLUE]

*sigh* can you please do me a favour, actually read what i'm saying. When did i say they were elite?
Would you consider all of them gaining a rising star nomination as being rated by others?
Of course they are not at the standard of elite mids, BECAUSE THEYVE ONLY PLAYED A FEW GAMES! jeez mate, 18 year olds dont just start elite. was bryce and murph elite in their first years? NO!

As for recruiting? jeez, your mob have done great work with your backline havnt they

I admitted that the same might not happen with hille, but highlighted it would be niave to think he will add nothing. Buddy hasnt kicked that many this season for his standards, so would you just accept that he is not up to it anymore and put your 3rd best def on him? no

i never said we were destined to be great this year of the next, im simply highlighting your stupidity to say we have no talent or prospects

you are stupid,
your knoweledge is stupid,
and your posts are stupid,
save yourself some embarrassment

Look Dick, I will try to do this gently so as not to hurt your delicate feelings. You seem to be young, I get that from comments from you such as "you are stupid". But if you cant stand having your arguments and ideas shot down in pieces perhaps you ought not come onto the Carlton boards. I mean what did you expect we would all say to you when you come on here and try to tell us that this Essondon player is good or that Essendon player is better than that Blues player. All of my posts on this thread are a direct result of initial posts and claims made by you or your fellow bomber posters oun OUR thread.

I have never said that your players are elite, far from in it, in fact I am trying to convince you that not only are they not elite, they are not prospective Elites. That is what I am telling you. You seem to think that if a player has a good game (not a brilliant best on ground game just a good game) then somehow they have morphed from average player into midfield prospect of becoming elite. And let me tell you, both Gibbs and Murph had star marked on their draft cards and both have turned out that way. None, repeat none, of the Bomber recent draft picks have had that kind of rap pre draft and none have turned out to be smokeys either. There are a few mid level players so not hacks but never gonna be elite.

So I have been kind to you even though you called stupid. I could have degenerated into equally juvenile language and said "No I'm not you are" but I havent. So off you go now, you have had a fair run on our board, but enough is enough. Rack off.

 

[The Donners]

We wouldn't.

Essentially you have added average depth to a very average midfield, and still rely on 3 old warhorses (Lucas/Lloyd have kicked 1 goal in 2 weeks between them - where's the reliance?), cluttering up 3 key postions, with one decent ruckman (Bellchambers is better than any Carlton ruckman) - better than 0 decent ruckmen.

Gonna get real messy, real quick, for your lot.

Prismall broke into the Geelong midfield - hardly average. I'd take Prismall over (bar Judd, Fevola, Gibbs and Kreuzer) the entire Carlton list.

Yeah gonna get real messy, just like last year!

 

[EssendonPride]

What are you talking about, Fev's kicked 7/40 and no-one has lifted an eyebrow.
We have a spread of goalkickers now, think they call it options.

Titmus and Cowdrey have 2/25 and it stands out like dogs balls.

Essendon now are Carlton 3 years ago.

I love how you choose to ignore half of the post, and even cut bits out that don't support your pathetic arguments.

Who's going to replace Fev once he retires/goes down with injury? You keep ignoring the question. We have options, how bout carlton?

You argue that we are reliant on our 3 oldest players, yet at the same time say 2/3 of them aren't even contributing.
Which is it?

 

[The Donners]

Ratten is better than Knights....more experienced. (Better player too)

It's known (and I've read) that Essendon members and supporter are very divided over Knights... if you think otherwise..well another deluded Essending dong supporter.

Who has the better coaching record out of Ratten and Knights?

Essendon supporters/members are torn because Essendon doesn't accept mediocrity... Carlton supporters aren't torn because they just lick their chops at the prospect of yet another number 1 draft pick!

 

[Stig O'Hara]

I love how you choose to ignore half of the post, and even cut bits out that don't support your pathetic arguments.

Who's going to replace Fev once he retires/goes down with injury? You keep ignoring the question. We have options, how bout carlton?

You argue that we are reliant on our 3 oldest players, yet at the same time say 2/3 of them aren't even contributing.
Which is it?

Like i said, we don't have to be so reliant on Fevola, we have options, already out on the park. Game is always changing sunshine.

You answered your own question on the last bit.
Yes you rely on them, and yes they are finished.

 

[Brighton_Diggins]

I don't care for the spelling error, do you?

Who won out of Essendon and Brisbane in '08? Hmmm? Obviously Black and Power didn't run enough rings around our midfield.

Round 1: Watson - 30 possessions (71% effective disposal)
Round 2: Watson - 31 possessions (67% effective disposal)

That's not bad for an in-and-under midfielder. Have I mentioned Hille/Watson are the most prolific ruck/midielder combination in the competition???

watson=junk
Hille=not junk
end post.

 

[Jesse Custer]

That won't happen, will it?

Both teams are proud clubs that despise mediocrity and in many ways are the closest aligned of all the Melbourne clubs.
We have the same amount of premierships and have similar mindsets.
Both clubs will ebb and flow over time, but Carlton is primed for a shot at the premiership before Essendon at this stage.
Going on the roundabout Essendon should be thereabouts in 3 - 4 years time.

Harker, you are a brilliant poster.

Any topic you talk about is usually honest and balanced.

You are a credit to your club and supporters.

 

[ESKIE]

Prismall broke into the Geelong midfield - hardly average. I'd take Prismall over (bar Judd, Fevola, Gibbs and Kreuzer) the entire Carlton list.

Yeah gonna get real messy, just like last year!

I would assume you Essendon loosers are putting money on your team becuase it's offering a huge returns, or are you just mouthing off....

The odds for wooden spoon are shorter, and probably a better bet... ha ha ha ha ha

You;ll get smashed loosers

 

[EssendonPride]

Like i said, we don't have to be so reliant on Fevola, we have options, already out on the park. Game is always changing sunshine.

You answered your own question on the last bit.

So you feel a forward line consisting of Cloke, Murphy, Betts, Wiggins, Houlihan and Robinson could win a flag?

So, Essendon are reliant on players that are finished, but we're in trouble once these players retire, because we're so reliant on them?? Is that what you're trying to say?

We have recruited players with the aim of replacing them.
Hurley, Pears, Daniher, Gumbleton, Neagle, Ryder. Yes they're young, but the signs are pretty good.

Merely trying to work out who Carlton's backups are.
Setanta and Fisher?

Your midfield will truly be great, there's no denying that. 3 number 1 picks (inc Kreuzer) should make sure of it.
Who will they be kicking it to once Fev goes?

 

[Brighton_Diggins]

Harker, you are a brilliant poster.

Any topic you talk about is usually honest and balanced.

You are a credit to your club and supporters.

Sycophant.

 

[ESKIE]

Who has the better coaching record out of Ratten and Knights?

Essendon supporters/members are torn because Essendon doesn't accept mediocrity... Carlton supporters aren't torn because they just lick their chops at the prospect of yet another number 1 draft pick!

Well I suppose it could have been worse for you, you could have had Harvey Another dud

 

[ESKIE]

So you feel a forward line consisting of Cloke, Murphy, Betts, Wiggins, Houlihan and Robinson could win a flag?

So, Essendon are reliant on players that are finished, but we're in trouble once these players retire, because we're so reliant on them?? Is that what you're trying to say?

We have recruited players with the aim of replacing them.
Hurley, Pears, Daniher, Gumbleton, Neagle, Ryder. Yes they're young, but the signs are pretty good.

Merely trying to work out who Carlton's backups are.
Setanta and Fisher?

Your midfield will truly be great, there's no denying that. 3 number 1 picks (inc Kreuzer) should make sure of it.
Who will they be kicking it to once Fev goes?

The way the game is evolving the days of the big Full Forward are slowly diminishing, all the top sides have more mobile types...teams adapt, just as yours is with Hird retiring.

 

[thylacine60]

Harker, you are a brilliant poster.

Any topic you talk about is usually honest and balanced.

You are a credit to your club and supporters.

Absolutely no need for that sort of clever reverse psychology and baffling complimentary insinuation. Mods - card this clown for subtlety beyond the detectable.

 

[Jesse Custer]

Absolutely no need for that sort of clever reverse psychology and baffling complimentary insinuation. Mods - card this clown for subtlety beyond the detectable.

Hahhahah, no mate i can assure you that its all geniune. I've read plenty of Harkers posts and they are very balanced and good.

Calling me a sycophant earlier wasn't on.