Round 4 - vs. Geelong @ Telstra Dome

[Cruiser23]

Tough luck today guys, when players like Goddard and Maguire get back to full fitness, i have no doubt you will have a say in the finals this year. Just regarding Goddard, i watched the game a noticed he wasn't in his usual position. He has great kicking skill's, i thought you lacked the polish into your forward line. It seems Dempster was trying to hit Riewoldt when he is a tagger. Why wasn't Goddard playing the 'quarter back' role he plays so well?

 

[catswhiskers]

Agree Stephanie. H.J. is right out of order and if he is a johnny come lately it is even worse.

I agree The cats have a chequered past. But. Those who have been loyal to the cause are enjoying the current burst of success and so they should. The disappointment of 2006 is not that far away!!!!

Geelong supporters should stick to our own board.

The saints turn will come if you, the supporters, hang in there and a few things fall into place. There is not a lot of magic but it is hard to find.

Rather the Saints or Dogs or Demons get up next than other wealthier clubs!

 

[Rough_Edges]

I thought we were OK.

 

[Kildonan]

we lost by 2 scoring shots.

our weakness is our skills - not our performance or our endeavour.

 

[Rough_Edges]

Our Skill levels are way down.

But, we seem to be their abouts for mine.

4th-8th is going to be our result for this year you'd think.

 

[seanoff]

going by most weeks here I thought Raph Clarke was to blame.


molloy on the ABC had the right idea.

Kosi - CHB

Riewoldt - CHF

Gehrig - FF.


Or they need to rotate off the bench

They get in each others way all three of them forward and they all fly for the same marks.


It used to work without Kosi, so last in, first out. He goes to CHB. It's easier than CHF, he has the size, the game comes at you and it solves some of the undersized defence. He has the ability and size to play on the big forwards.

 

[Sainters08]

going by most weeks here I thought Raph Clarke was to blame.


molloy on the ABC had the right idea.

Kosi - CHB

Riewoldt - CHF

Gehrig - FF.


Or they need to rotate off the bench

They get in each others way all three of them forward and they all fly for the same marks.


It used to work without Kosi, so last in, first out. He goes to CHB. It's easier than CHF, he has the size, the game comes at you and it solves some of the undersized defence. He has the ability and size to play on the big forwards.

um.....yea that ain't gonna work.

our Backline is hardly undersized TBH.

B: L.Fisher - Hudghton - S.Fisher
HB: Gram - Maguire - Goddard

if we put Kosi to CHB, where does that leave Maguire? he cant play Forward or Midfield and would be useless even playing him if he's gonna be on the bench

IMO it should be:

C: Riewoldt - Dal Santo - Montagna
HF: Schneider - Kosi - X.Clarke
F: Milne - Gehrig - C.Gardiner/Resting Mid

 

[Bornsaint]

Finally someone who knows what they are talking about. Love that forward structure and would like C. Gardner in there as he seems to be another good lead up option instead of using Roo all the time. How about Armitage in also for some speed and grunt around packs? Too bad R.Eddy is a rooky, has had 2 near best on grounds...

 

[Sainters08]

Finally someone who knows what they are talking about. Love that forward structure and would like C. Gardner in there as he seems to be another good lead up option instead of using Roo all the time. How about Armitage in also for some speed and grunt around packs? Too bad R.Eddy is a rooky, has had 2 near best on grounds...

which forward structure?

 

[seanoff]

um.....yea that ain't gonna work.

our Backline is hardly undersized TBH.

B: L.Fisher - Hudghton - S.Fisher
HB: Gram - Maguire - Goddard

if we put Kosi to CHB, where does that leave Maguire? he cant play Forward or Midfield and would be useless even playing him if he's gonna be on the bench

Max is 32 and in his twilight

Neither him (192 cm 92kg) nor Maguire (same) are big players. compare them to Merrett, Ryder etc, they give away 5 -6cm and/or 10kgs to players like that. Neither of the are muscle monsters either so Brown (105), Pavlich(100), Lloyd (102), Hall etc will out muscle them.

So Maguire plays on the more mobile of the big forwards, and Kosi takes the monster.


Against Brisbane Kosi to Brown, Maguire to Bradshaw

Aganist Freo, play Kosi at CHB let Tarrant lead up past the wing, rotate a player on to him leave Kosi across HB and Maguire on Pavlich.

Against Essendon from Fri - Kosi to Laycock, Maguire to whoever was playing at CHF

Against Melb - Kosi to Neitz, Maguire to Miller.

Against Hawthorn - Maguire to Franklin (not sure Kosi has the wheels), Kosi to Roughhead

etc etc

Max plays if a side is going in big, or interchange or when one of the others is injured. (which is fairly often)

 

[Sainters08]

Have you watched Maxy play at all?

Yes, he is fairly small but he can take much bigger opponents.

Maguire plays very well against the likes of Brown etc.

 

[sainter]

Have you watched Maxy play at all?

Yes, he is fairly small but he can take much bigger opponents.

Maguire plays very well against the likes of Brown etc.

I'm interested to know if there are any of the big key forwards who Max doesn't have a successful record against.

The only one that springs to mind was Neitz who seemed to get the better of him on a few occassions.

After beating a Treadrea type player one week, he would back it up the following week on a Phil Matera and beat him as well.

He's been an amazing servant to our football club and has been grossly underrated by the wider football community.

 

[Kildonan]

... and has been grossly underrated by the wider football community.

and, it seems, by some of our own fans !

 

[CHBench]

Many people seem to be unhappy about our forward line set-up and how they are not working together, i think part of the problem is the atrocious delivery/lack of supply to the forwards.

Fraser's kicking nicely, scoring 7.2 this season but his work rate may be questioned.

Rooey's kicking has gotten better scoring 9.4, but is he leading and receiving the ball in the ideal position?

Kozi hasn't been too bad either, 8.5 but he could be so much more damaging.

So far from 4 games our seemingly "unstoppable" forwards have kicked 24.11. With crap supply they have been receiving the past month thats a fair effort.

Forward line not a major problem, deliver the pill, they'll deliver the goals.




But this is the area where i think we have lost our games.

Geelongs midfield kicked 6 goals on saturday, ours....ZERO.
Result: Defeated by 7 goals.

Against the bulldogs they kicked 11 (that's including aker, which I'm not sure if he still plays midfield), ours only kicked 4.
Result: Defeated by 38 points.

So the losses against the top two sides have come of result of the midfield.

If our midfield can learn the art of kicking goals we can definitely be right up there with the best.

 

[Rough_Edges]

Top post mate, pretty much what i'm thinking.

Our mids, just kick bugger all goals, and thats why we don't win a lot of the matches we lose for mine.

 

[Kildonan]

But the reason our mids kick bugger all goals is because we have some of the best specialist forwards in the game. Our gameplan is based on feeding those forwards the ball rather than taking the low percentage long kick option. Strangely that ends up being our weakness because where other teams need to develop alternative avenues to goal, we just try harder to utilise the ones we have. The opposition clubs just need to shut down our specialist forwards and we are impotent to score goals.

 

[Squizz]

we lost by 2 scoring shots.

our weakness is our skills - not our performance or our endeavour.

Plus the two shockers out on the full from 25m. We had the same shots on goal, but the cats were clinically efficient. They just kept slotting them through from the boundary at the northern end of the ground. We missed just about all of them in similar spots.

 

[sauce_head]

Many people seem to be unhappy about our forward line set-up and how they are not working together, i think part of the problem is the atrocious delivery/lack of supply to the forwards.

Fraser's kicking nicely, scoring 7.2 this season but his work rate may be questioned.

Rooey's kicking has gotten better scoring 9.4, but is he leading and receiving the ball in the ideal position?

Kozi hasn't been too bad either, 8.5 but he could be so much more damaging.

So far from 4 games our seemingly "unstoppable" forwards have kicked 24.11. With crap supply they have been receiving the past month thats a fair effort.

Forward line not a major problem, deliver the pill, they'll deliver the goals.




But this is the area where i think we have lost our games.

Geelongs midfield kicked 6 goals on saturday, ours....ZERO.
Result: Defeated by 7 goals.

Against the bulldogs they kicked 11 (that's including aker, which I'm not sure if he still plays midfield), ours only kicked 4.
Result: Defeated by 38 points.

So the losses against the top two sides have come of result of the midfield.

If our midfield can learn the art of kicking goals we can definitely be right up there with the best.

This has always been an issue with our mids. However the sturcture going in has to be fixed, which includes the workrate of the forwards and structure within themselves.

Was Gilbert playing forward on the weekend? He is a big kick as well. Would be great if he could start slotting from 60 after running out. Stretches floods.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Top post mate, pretty much what i'm thinking.

Our mids, just kick bugger all goals, and thats why we don't win a lot of the matches we lose for mine.

I was disapointed that Schneider was out on Saturday for precisely that reason. While I thought that Jones played OK I think that Schneider may have had more scoring opportunities.

 

[Persevering Saint]

Just on Maxy, it's worth noting that three weeks ago he completely closed Fev down... and in the last two weeks that player has been virtually unstoppable. I think that once again indicates (I can't say it proves, but I still say indicates) just how good he is.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

we lost by 2 scoring shots.

our weakness is our skills - not our performance or our endeavour.

It is interesting to get the saints up on the dream team statistics list.
The salary changes reflect the performance this year compared to previous statistics.

The majority of the Saints are going down in value.

There are a number of things wrong with evaluating players using these statistics but it is still interesting.

 

[Persevering Saint]

Not surprising considering how much they've all stank the last four weeks.

 

[Shirl]

We had selected Goose, Dempster and Goddard against the Cats, so we had 3 players coming back from injury who had 1 senior game and no pre-season games under their belt between them, seems to me that they are likely to run out of puff. Not a wise selection process for a game against Geelong.
Our first quarter against the Cats was as good as you could hope, 11 scoring shots to 4 and we led in all of the stats but poor converting was very costly.
Del Santo had 18 disposals 1 behind, his tagger Ling 28 disposals 1 goal. Del had no impact on the game, perhaps reverse the roles, have Del tag Ling and nullify his impact and run into some form.

I don’t believe we can play Gehrig and Milne in the forward line at the same time. Fraser has no defensive side and is unable to lay any tackle and keep the ball in our forward zone, Milne is not much better.
Last quarter Gehrig was on the bench and we were able to trap the ball in our forward line for the first few minutes
The team we selected for the cats had 3 recycled players King, Dempster and Schneider and no new midfielders.

Back to the Nab cup the team we put out on the park included Armitage, Jones, Birss, Eddy, Geary, Allen etc. on Saturday we played our 2007 team l would rather that we play the team that we put out on the field for the Nab cup. Also every team has 2 ruckmen we played 1 and had to use Kosi as a back ruckman and unbalance our forward line, is that a good tactic?
I am less optimistic than l was earlier in the season, we will see how the season unfolds

 

[Sir Robert]

Just on Maxy, it's worth noting that three weeks ago he completely closed Fev down... and in the last two weeks that player has been virtually unstoppable. I think that once again indicates (I can't say it proves, but I still say indicates) just how good he is.

Max - stays in... Is an absolute gem. The day referred to with Neitz... He kicked 5 in a quarter, and most were from outside 50... Freakish goals. Glass / Scarlett could not have stopped that freight train!

Fraser... Just needs some space to lead into.

Kosi at CHB will mean he has to be accountable, which will stop him making goal line marks etc. He is best floating forward and back. Stints in the ruck and resting fwd is def his role!

Speaking of goal line marks. How many goals did Geelong stop on the last line of defence... And how many should we have stopped but didn't? The total of these two woul def be around the 7 goals we lost by. It was bloody frustrating and shows either a lack of smarts or a lack of desire to run hard... Prob both. I know when I'm playing in the guts or defence that if I see a vacant goal square I stand in it!

 

[sauce_head]

I know when I'm playing in the guts or defence that if I see a vacant goal square I stand in it!

Me too, when I am not kicking points from FF 30 m out!