Toast Round 9 = Collingwood 120-55 GWS

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Oh the one thing I was not happy about was that high tackle on bobby hill not paid…..like wtf? Would love to hear umps explanation on that


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I get the technical ruling is if you contribute to the high contact (duck or lower knees) you will be called play on.

But if you lower yourself say 5cm and they tackle you 15cm too high you can't still tell me that it was all in relation to the contribution.

I reckon if you lower down like Hill did and they JUST get you on the neck that should be play on. But not to tackle high around the ears and not let go until they hit the deck.

Shambles.

Especially when I'm fairly sure Ginnivan was taken high 5 seconds later and they paid the GWS one at the start.

 

[Pistol Night]

Anyone thinking McStay won't come in one he's ready don't know why McStay is in the side

It's not a coincidence how well we attacked with him in the side.

I never thought his job was to be our leading goal kicker and I said this pre-season. His job is to be the anchor and bring the ball to ground where possible and bring all the other forwards into the game

At least that's how I read it. With McStay and a resting ruck it gives Checkers (and now AJ) so much more freedom

I reckon he’ll come back in. Fly loves him and he’s the most natural forward. These selection headaches are foreign to us Pies supporters so who knows really

 

[Black_White]

I think our secret power this year is how bloody deep we bat through the midfield. Not talking about centre bounce trios, but the broader group that follows play up and down the field:

DeGoey, N Daicos, Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Michell, Adams, J Daicos, Crisp with Lipinski to come back. other teams may have pointier top-ends, but no one has a deeper spread of legitimate talent IMO.

Coupled with a game plan that maximises this strength and we’re going to be hard to stop.

Elliot spends time in there as well.

 

[Apex36]

Pretty obvious AJ is depth

It’s really not obvious at all. AJ has been outstanding playing a role he shouldn’t have ever been required to do at his height.

 

[Harry O]

It’s really not obvious at all. AJ has been outstanding playing a role he shouldn’t have ever been required to do at his height.

Outstanding? Serviceable.

 

[The Magnificent Seven]

Didn't you read the AFL memo???

"The umpires are omniscient and even disputing the call is a crime".

I believe the Umpires did a little light reading over the Summertime.

“Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.”
― George Orwell, 1984

 

[sr36]

I get what you're saying RE Maynard to a certain extent. Maybe there's a tiny bit of doubt on his shoulder given it was a similar injury and return time frame to Lipinski who re-did his only a few months ago.

That said he has still been launching at tackles and landing on the shoulder so I'm not sure I can give him that out. There's also the factor that we haven't really needed him to do more than he's doing now because Nick Daicos is the distributor of all distributors.

Maynard is going well. He's one we use as a combo tall/small. He gets more of it, in more space and thus earns more praise when he's playing as a small - which isn't happening because Howe or Frampton aren't playing in defence - he's playing as a third tall and thus not peeling off on as many runs.

 

[Pistol Night]

I believe the Umpires did a little light reading over the Summertime.

“Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.”
― George Orwell, 1984

Sounds like arguing with my wife

 

[sr36]

Pretty obvious AJ is depth

I think he'll hold his place over McStay.

 

[Mollythedolly]

Has someone done a Fine Cotton with WHE? He’s a different player.

I’d take a guess he’s actually down on career averages this year. Goes to show how underrated he’s been in earlier seasons.

 

[Fat Jesus]

I think he'll hold his place over McStay.

McStay, AJ, Mihocek, Elliott are all in our best squad.
No coincidence our biggest wins were with Dan in the team.

Reef and JC will struggle to get games this year.

 

[Pistol Night]

McStay, AJ, Mihocek, Elliott are all in our best squad.
No coincidence our biggest wins were with Dan in the team.

Port game he was good

 

[Apex36]

Outstanding? Serviceable.

That’s your opinion. But you also think it’s perfectly reasonable to create panic posts regarding players being injured before you even have any real information, so

 

[sr36]

McStay, AJ, Mihocek, Elliott are all in our best squad.
No coincidence our biggest wins were with Dan in the team.

Reef and JC will struggle to get games this year.

Would you only play one of the rucks, or would you change the forward line balance to an extra tall?

Personally, I suspect you might think we can fit 28 into 23 with all the blokes you want to be locks.

 

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Just quietly we're about 4-5 games off stitching up a finals berth. Which is great considering the spuds in the media that had us bottom ten.

 

[Harry O]

That’s your opinion. But you also think it’s perfectly reasonable to create panic posts regarding players being injured before you even have any real information, so

Keep playing the man. It really does suit you

 

[Fat Jesus]

Would you only play one of the rucks, or would you change the forward line balance to an extra tall?

Personally, I suspect you might think we can fit 28 into 23 with all the blokes you want to be locks.

Injuries unfortunately will keep coming. If Cox goes down Frampton or AJ are capable.
We are in a sweet spot now with a few returning.
I like Cameron bigtime and expecting him to come in. At Reefs expense.
A Sub is usually better if it's an explosive player.
Dunno, Ginni, McReery although I like both starting.
We are in a sweet place with the Fly guiding us.
I don't remember us being in such a sweet place ever.
We have depth

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

Oh the one thing I was not happy about was that high tackle on bobby hill not paid…..like wtf? Would love to hear umps explanation on that


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They must have confused him with Ginnivan

 

[JoinDate]

I get the technical ruling is if you contribute to the high contact (duck or lower knees) you will be called play on.

But if you lower yourself say 5cm and they tackle you 15cm too high you can't still tell me that it was all in relation to the contribution.

I reckon if you lower down like Hill did and they JUST get you on the neck that should be play on. But not to tackle high around the ears and not let go until they hit the deck.

Shambles.

Especially when I'm fairly sure Ginnivan was taken high 5 seconds later and they paid the GWS one at the start.

The inconsistency of the call is what annoys me, compounded by the non-calls seemingly based on reputation.

 

[Scodog10]

I get what you're saying RE Maynard to a certain extent. Maybe there's a tiny bit of doubt on his shoulder given it was a similar injury and return time frame to Lipinski who re-did his only a few months ago.

That said he has still been launching at tackles and landing on the shoulder so I'm not sure I can give him that out. There's also the factor that we haven't really needed him to do more than he's doing now because Nick Daicos is the distributor of all distributors.

Given we’re on the outside it’s certainly possible there’s lingering doubts over his shoulder. My concern though hasn’t really been with his defensive actions (yesterday was probably the first time I’ve felt he needed to tighten that up), but rather a throwback to the WTF days with him ball in hand.

To set the baseline for my POV on him in 2023 to prevent anyone reading into this something that isn’t there he’s a 95 down to a 90 in Madden ratings. That said there’s been moments in 2023 such as yesterday when there was the slow play members wing Q1 or Q3 where JDG gives to him and he just sort of went deer in the headlights turned it over and they got a goal from the next stoppage to O’Halloran. I compared him with Markov because we generally see those moments a few times a week from him whereas Maynard has become rock solid over the past 3-5 years in that area. His numbers ball in hand have risen in 2023 and he definitely isn’t in the same form as 2022 so I don’t think it’s the Naicos factor.

He’ll get back in the groove, but that ball use is a pattern, IMO.

 

[jonbe54]

Sounds like arguing with my wife

Never argue with any woman or a teenager.

You may as well bash yourself in the coolies.

They will never admit error.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

A dominant win and not a close one this week thank goodness. Nick Daicos 41 disposals and another 3 Brownlow votes.

No way known he gets the three. Cox head and shoulders BOG, JDG and Titch next in line and Tom Green and Coniglio were probably better than Daicos as well.

 

[Pistol Night]

Never argue with any woman or a teenager.

You may as well bash yourself in the coolies.

They will never admit error.

My missus can do something wrong and by the end of the discussion im the one in the shit. Mind boggling

 

[Cyclops]

My Mrs is never wrong, simple as. Saves a lot of argument.

She's actually smart and keeps shtum when she doesn't know the answer, that helps.

Unlike me

 

[Scodog10]

I get the technical ruling is if you contribute to the high contact (duck or lower knees) you will be called play on.

But if you lower yourself say 5cm and they tackle you 15cm too high you can't still tell me that it was all in relation to the contribution.

I reckon if you lower down like Hill did and they JUST get you on the neck that should be play on. But not to tackle high around the ears and not let go until they hit the deck.

Shambles.

Especially when I'm fairly sure Ginnivan was taken high 5 seconds later and they paid the GWS one at the start.

The bizarre element to it all was Razor’s reaction. After the goal was kicked he supposedly made a beeline to the officiating umpire to give him the thumbs up for his decision making. For me it was horrible officiating.

The first factor for me is like you said around what’s the cut off for high contact? Hill lowered yes, but that tackle was still going high even if his body position remained neutral. Once you make the decision that he lowered his body and that it’s not high contact the player in possession has relinquished his prior opportunity so it’s holding the ball. We then have the Ginnivan high contact two contests later which was called play on. By the absolute letter of the law he got the first right and the second wrong, but both non decisions were explainable. The third had no grey it was a missed free kick to Ginnivan.

Considering the AFL aren’t interested in full time umpiring I don’t know what the solution is.