O'Keefe has been offered a 4 year contract by the swans, but it would be less than what he would earn in Melbourne.With the Swans keen to get Kerr he could be used in a deal to get him if he decides to fly south.
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Re: Rok
Only if he wont stay in Sydney. If he will stay, Sydney must do everything in its power to make it happen.
Only if he wont stay in Sydney. If he will stay, Sydney must do everything in its power to make it happen.
carsoutback
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Re: Rok
I am guessing there would be very few players amongst this year's top 40, that couldn't get more money somewhere else. He's not in a unique situation and I doubt we pay him peanuts (anyone know?). I just hope they are able to reach a compromise.
I am guessing there would be very few players amongst this year's top 40, that couldn't get more money somewhere else. He's not in a unique situation and I doubt we pay him peanuts (anyone know?). I just hope they are able to reach a compromise.
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Spot on Skipper!
Should we lose a player such as ROK, then we would have taken a massive step back. Even if we picked up Kerr. ROK is an irreplaceable type of player & would be the difference between being competitive for another flag or not. In the game against North, along with Kirk he was the main reason we won. The marks he took under pressure with a greasy ball were that of a special player. And he runs like the wind.
I'd be severely devestated if we lost this guy.
As I mentioned in another post. If Judd is on $1M at Carlton, the ROK should be given at least 800K at the Swans. EASY!
This is where some players that didn't perform in season 2008 should be punished financially.
Sign him up Swans!!!
Spot on Skipper!
Should we lose a player such as ROK, then we would have taken a massive step back. Even if we picked up Kerr. ROK is an irreplaceable type of player & would be the difference between being competitive for another flag or not. In the game against North, along with Kirk he was the main reason we won. The marks he took under pressure with a greasy ball were that of a special player. And he runs like the wind.
I'd be severely devestated if we lost this guy.
As I mentioned in another post. If Judd is on $1M at Carlton, the ROK should be given at least 800K at the Swans. EASY!
This is where some players that didn't perform in season 2008 should be punished financially.
Sign him up Swans!!!
Re: Rok
im sure he will stay hes married now and probs planning a family in sydney
would be a massive blow 2 lose him
im sure he will stay hes married now and probs planning a family in sydney
would be a massive blow 2 lose him
Re: Rok
a 4 year contract should keep him at the swans till the end of his career... plus he should be listed as a veteran in a few years (i believe)... not to mention loyalty and the additional salary cap for our club
if he hasn't signed up to that by now... i have grave concerns whether he will sign.... but i remain optimistic
a 4 year contract should keep him at the swans till the end of his career... plus he should be listed as a veteran in a few years (i believe)... not to mention loyalty and the additional salary cap for our club
if he hasn't signed up to that by now... i have grave concerns whether he will sign.... but i remain optimistic
Re: Rok
I assume this conjecture is based on today's Age article.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/ne...1221331206247.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
"... and Victorian clubs expected to lead the chase for him include Carlton, Essendon, Richmond and Collingwood."
Why would clubs like Collingwood (Didak, Davis, Medhurst), Essendon rebuilding, and already an ageing forward line (Lloyd, Lucas) be interested in offering a 28yo a four year contract, particularly as Sydney (through the vets list) can obtain salary cap relief in the last 2 years of a 4 year contract?
Similarly Carlton? They can offer ROK a four year contract with the signing of Judd, Fevola and the need to redo the first rounders contracts in the coming years? I doubt it.
Richmond. Maybe. But once again a four contract is unlikely.
If Sydney have offered him a four year contract then I doubt any club would be prepared to match the offer, because of the term of the contract and the fact that Sydney can obtain 50% salary cap relief for the last 2 years.
The article reads very much like a journalistic 'what if' with no real basis as to truth regarding the interest of other clubs.
Lastly to trade ROK and presumably a first rounder to WCE for Kerr (and a pick presumably from them) strikes me as disastrous.
We pick up an A grade midfielder, with significant issues, and give away a stalwart of the club, who will likely be in the top 3 of this year's B&F and a first round pick, who could play for the club for 10 years. WHY?
I assume this conjecture is based on today's Age article.
http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/ne...1221331206247.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
"... and Victorian clubs expected to lead the chase for him include Carlton, Essendon, Richmond and Collingwood."
Why would clubs like Collingwood (Didak, Davis, Medhurst), Essendon rebuilding, and already an ageing forward line (Lloyd, Lucas) be interested in offering a 28yo a four year contract, particularly as Sydney (through the vets list) can obtain salary cap relief in the last 2 years of a 4 year contract?
Similarly Carlton? They can offer ROK a four year contract with the signing of Judd, Fevola and the need to redo the first rounders contracts in the coming years? I doubt it.
Richmond. Maybe. But once again a four contract is unlikely.
If Sydney have offered him a four year contract then I doubt any club would be prepared to match the offer, because of the term of the contract and the fact that Sydney can obtain 50% salary cap relief for the last 2 years.
The article reads very much like a journalistic 'what if' with no real basis as to truth regarding the interest of other clubs.
Lastly to trade ROK and presumably a first rounder to WCE for Kerr (and a pick presumably from them) strikes me as disastrous.
We pick up an A grade midfielder, with significant issues, and give away a stalwart of the club, who will likely be in the top 3 of this year's B&F and a first round pick, who could play for the club for 10 years. WHY?
Re: Rok
The interesting part for me is that ROK negotiates his own contract!
I like it ! But it does put him at a bit of a disadvantage.
Something really good would need to be offerred for him to go!
I reckon he is just making sure he maximises his last contract!
As an aside can any of you imagine ROK in a ....................
Colliwobble, Tugger, Bumber, or Carltank guersey?
I hate them the most but .....maybe I could just see a Navy blue jumper suiting him he looked R OK! in the BIG V... the others YUK!
The interesting part for me is that ROK negotiates his own contract!
I like it ! But it does put him at a bit of a disadvantage.
Something really good would need to be offerred for him to go!
I reckon he is just making sure he maximises his last contract!
As an aside can any of you imagine ROK in a ....................
Colliwobble, Tugger, Bumber, or Carltank guersey
?I hate them the most but .....maybe I could just see a Navy blue jumper suiting him he looked R OK! in the BIG V... the others YUK!
MushroomRocket
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Re: Rok
sorry to say this, but let him go. he'll get us a 1 round pick and decent player. he wont be around for our next flag, he's 28 and his tank will fail when he hits 30. i hope we trade him and start building for 2012.
time to be pragmatic.
sorry to say this, but let him go. he'll get us a 1 round pick and decent player. he wont be around for our next flag, he's 28 and his tank will fail when he hits 30. i hope we trade him and start building for 2012.
time to be pragmatic.
Re: Rok
Why will his tank suddenly fail when he hits 30? Speed is often affected by age but endurance doesn't seem to be, unless players are hit by "old age" injuries. Impossible to say he won't start getting niggling injuries but he's been one of the most durable league players over the past 5 or 6 years so there's no particular reason to think he'll be unduly affected by age.
As for building for 2012 - if that's the right time frame - that's just 4 seasons away. Absolutely no reason why O'Keefe can't be part of that.
Why will his tank suddenly fail when he hits 30? Speed is often affected by age but endurance doesn't seem to be, unless players are hit by "old age" injuries. Impossible to say he won't start getting niggling injuries but he's been one of the most durable league players over the past 5 or 6 years so there's no particular reason to think he'll be unduly affected by age.
As for building for 2012 - if that's the right time frame - that's just 4 seasons away. Absolutely no reason why O'Keefe can't be part of that.
MushroomRocket
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Re: Rok
i have mentioned this exact thought earlier in the year, but i got torn to shreds by other members of the site.
if we want to have a serious crack in 4 years time (which is the figure someone else used, i dont know when we can seriously expect to develop a list by), then we have to take some short-term pain to get there.
im not denying that ROK would be a HUGE loss for the team, but if we traded him this year to a team that really needs a hit-up forward (ie carlton or richmond), then we would get well-compensated in return.
i have mentioned this exact thought earlier in the year, but i got torn to shreds by other members of the site.
if we want to have a serious crack in 4 years time (which is the figure someone else used, i dont know when we can seriously expect to develop a list by), then we have to take some short-term pain to get there.
im not denying that ROK would be a HUGE loss for the team, but if we traded him this year to a team that really needs a hit-up forward (ie carlton or richmond), then we would get well-compensated in return.
Re: Rok
So let me get this right!
You're saying that 4 years is "short term pain" 7 that we MAY develope someone as good as ROK!
Mmmmm..............you're way, way off the mark. In the mean time players such as Veszpremi, Moore, Jack, White, Laidlaw, Thornton etc, etc................won't get to play alongside a champion of the quality of ROK, which would do more for their developement then spending 4 years down the bottom & perhaps being ROK's opponent in the odd game against his new team.
Where do some of you guys get off. You NEVER trade players like ROK & Paul Kelly or Brett Kirk because they are too consistent as players & the likelyhood of developing someone that comes close to ROK is highly unlikely.
But I suppose should we succeed in developing someone as good as ROK, then when they become 26 or 27 years old, you'll want to offload them as well so that we can have another 4 years of "short term pain".
Come on guys! Put your thinking caps on. Players that are not pulling their weight towards the teams cause are rthe type of player you trade. No matter how good they are but not someone that is drooled over by other clubs because of the way he goes about his football.
It would be a sad day for the Swans when we start treading these quality players. End of story!
So let me get this right!
You're saying that 4 years is "short term pain" 7 that we MAY develope someone as good as ROK!
Mmmmm..............you're way, way off the mark. In the mean time players such as Veszpremi, Moore, Jack, White, Laidlaw, Thornton etc, etc................won't get to play alongside a champion of the quality of ROK, which would do more for their developement then spending 4 years down the bottom & perhaps being ROK's opponent in the odd game against his new team.
Where do some of you guys get off. You NEVER trade players like ROK & Paul Kelly or Brett Kirk because they are too consistent as players & the likelyhood of developing someone that comes close to ROK is highly unlikely.
But I suppose should we succeed in developing someone as good as ROK, then when they become 26 or 27 years old, you'll want to offload them as well so that we can have another 4 years of "short term pain".
Come on guys! Put your thinking caps on. Players that are not pulling their weight towards the teams cause are rthe type of player you trade. No matter how good they are but not someone that is drooled over by other clubs because of the way he goes about his football.
It would be a sad day for the Swans when we start treading these quality players. End of story!
Re: Rok
players that offer us nothing... will get us nothing in the trade
guys like rok... pay handsome dividends
if we were closer than further away from a premiership... it would be a different story
but we're not closer... and when teams will probably offer top 10 picks and promising youngsters... the thought is worth entertaining
players that offer us nothing... will get us nothing in the trade
guys like rok... pay handsome dividends
if we were closer than further away from a premiership... it would be a different story
but we're not closer... and when teams will probably offer top 10 picks and promising youngsters... the thought is worth entertaining
Re: Rok
Prove that we are not closer then any other team! Last time I checked, 16 teams start of Round one equal.
After Collingwood bundled us out in the elim. final in 2007, did you think we would finish 2008 above them having blooded 4 or 5 youngsters that played nearly every game? I doubt it.
ROK is a key part of what we do in the next 5 years. In fact, I'll throw this one at anyone that thinks he is 'tradeable'.
In 2010 when we perhaps have no Kirk, Barry, Hall, Kennelly, Bolton J, etc... ROK is the obvious choice for Captain of our club.
He along with Goodes are the class players in our team of 'Cortinas'. You can't remove half of that without causing major damage to the heart of the team. The team MUST be built around these 2 players & there is no reason why we can't have another crack in 2 or 3 years, whilst still being competative in the mean time.
Just one more thing. All this trading for early draft picks is over rated. How many Buddies do you think are out there? ROK was picked up with pick 57 or so. With good coaching, which is proven at our club, a kid can be picked up at 20 to 40 & be a solid player for the club.
But you're entitled to your opinion & it does make great discussion. But not ROK.................please!
Unless of course he desperately wants to come home. If it's a money thing, you would give him the world to make him stay. Hell......we gave up Schneider to keep Jolly!
Great!!!
Prove that we are not closer then any other team! Last time I checked, 16 teams start of Round one equal.
After Collingwood bundled us out in the elim. final in 2007, did you think we would finish 2008 above them having blooded 4 or 5 youngsters that played nearly every game? I doubt it.
ROK is a key part of what we do in the next 5 years. In fact, I'll throw this one at anyone that thinks he is 'tradeable'.
In 2010 when we perhaps have no Kirk, Barry, Hall, Kennelly, Bolton J, etc... ROK is the obvious choice for Captain of our club.
He along with Goodes are the class players in our team of 'Cortinas'. You can't remove half of that without causing major damage to the heart of the team. The team MUST be built around these 2 players & there is no reason why we can't have another crack in 2 or 3 years, whilst still being competative in the mean time.
Just one more thing. All this trading for early draft picks is over rated. How many Buddies do you think are out there? ROK was picked up with pick 57 or so. With good coaching, which is proven at our club, a kid can be picked up at 20 to 40 & be a solid player for the club.
But you're entitled to your opinion & it does make great discussion. But not ROK.................please!
Unless of course he desperately wants to come home. If it's a money thing, you would give him the world to make him stay. Hell......we gave up Schneider to keep Jolly!
Great!!!
Re: Rok
1) can't prove it... but the liklihood of teams catching the cats and hawks in the immediate future are slim... not to mention the exodus of players from the club (incl. mol which you have left out) will hurt our chances
2) rok is a bmw in the bush... great for our ego... but if it's not going to get driven to the city (deep september) then is it worth still keeping it
3) early draft picks is probably over-rated... but it does give you the best position for moving forward
like you said everyone's entitled to their view
but i'm struggling to envisage us moving up in the next few years, and hence am looking at the future... and the deep future doesn't involve rok sadly
1) can't prove it... but the liklihood of teams catching the cats and hawks in the immediate future are slim... not to mention the exodus of players from the club (incl. mol which you have left out) will hurt our chances
2) rok is a bmw in the bush... great for our ego... but if it's not going to get driven to the city (deep september) then is it worth still keeping it
3) early draft picks is probably over-rated... but it does give you the best position for moving forward
like you said everyone's entitled to their view
but i'm struggling to envisage us moving up in the next few years, and hence am looking at the future... and the deep future doesn't involve rok sadly
grimlock
Hall of Famer
Re: Rok
The one aspect I feel you are overlooking is that these players aren't just commodities to be bought and sold to maximise 'profits', or draft picks in this case. There is a human element involved, and if we started moving all our champion players just because they are starting to approach retirement age, then the club would be creating a very unhappy environment.
So, if ROK wants to go, we'll accommodate his wishes and try extract our pound of flesh from the Melbourne clubs. Else, reward his years of service to the club pay him what he is worth and we can continue to watch that cute little butt of his moving about the SCG.
The one aspect I feel you are overlooking is that these players aren't just commodities to be bought and sold to maximise 'profits', or draft picks in this case. There is a human element involved, and if we started moving all our champion players just because they are starting to approach retirement age, then the club would be creating a very unhappy environment.
So, if ROK wants to go, we'll accommodate his wishes and try extract our pound of flesh from the Melbourne clubs. Else, reward his years of service to the club pay him what he is worth and we can continue to watch that cute little butt of his moving about the SCG.
Re: Rok
which part of the footy are you watching?... i was under the impression you were a bloke
anyway...
it's business at the end of the day
i personally try to avoid the human element... except for the long serving stewards of the club... i haven't placed rok in that category just yet
which part of the footy are you watching?... i was under the impression you were a bloke
anyway...
it's business at the end of the day
i personally try to avoid the human element... except for the long serving stewards of the club... i haven't placed rok in that category just yet
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