Opinion Sack Hinkley 3 - 2021 is worse than 2020 already

[manureid]

We need another Covid inspired season. Lockdowns, hubs, shortened qtrs.

 

[manureid]

"Give us 14 Weeks" - Ken Hinkley
This guy love spin talk

Surprised it isn't, give me another 10 years.

 

[Steve Dore]

Surprised it isn't, give me another 10 years.

How's the stability though.

 

[Black 18]

Kens just trying to deflect any criticism of the players, assistants or himself at the moment.

Keep everyone safe and happy. I won't blame you if you don't blame me. Nothing but a fast road to nowhere that we have been for the better part of a decade plus.

Trying to dismiss the flat track bullies tag is wrong. Wrong in dismissing it and wrong in thinking it's not true. We are and the sooner we acknowledge that the sooner we can actually try and rectify it.

Ken was saying it's unfair on the sides we have played - WB, Bris and WC, but he's not looking at the true meaning of why people are saying it.

It's not that we lost, they are all good sides and WC especially are extremely hard to beat in Perth but it's the way we have lost. In all of those games there has been a real softness to periods of the game that good sides don't show. Teams lose games of footy all the time. Sometimes the side just has an off day, it happens, but when you see the lack of effort or desire to actually compete in bigger games on a regular basis then that's bullying behaviour - like it or not.

Some of the early efforts against the WB's were not acceptable. Same against Bris, same against WC. We have a lot of guys that seem to pick and choose when they will compete and I think Monty alluded to that yesterday in his presser. Weak tackles, short stepping or not bothering to go in at all when you must. Trailing your immediate opponent to the ball by 3-4m without even trying to nullify his intention. It's all the hard, tough, often unnoticed stuff that makes a side a very good side.

Add in a coach that seems determined to play one sort of style at least 95% of the time no matter the conditions or how the game is unfolding and you have issues both sides of the fence and as we're seeing right now they often go in to bat for each other and nothing is ever truly fixed, or even addressed.

 

[tribey]

"Give us 14 Weeks" - Ken Hinkley
This guy love spin talk

Apart from the aftermath of the 2017 EF when Koch flipped his lid and allegedly faced a player revolt he had to back down and grovel from, what consequences will there be if we don’t improve as Ken is promising?

And I’m not even talking a flag, let’s say, digging in and qualifying for the top-4 at a minimum, which should be the expectation given where the club was/is positioned at the end of 2020 to now.

This is what even the most ardent Hinkleyphile, internally and externally (ie. Gerard Whateley), has to address.

There were absolutely nil consequences for the smouldering trainwreck that was the 5 full seasons from 2015-2019. Well, not for the brainstrust/hierarchy anyway — and at the end of the day, we’re into our ninth season of this era.

“We know where we have to improve and we will”.

Great. But, if not, I’d love to see someone who isn’t a suddenly expendable high-profile player actually held to account for once.

Because shrugging our shoulders and being told, “uh, we’ll go again. we believe we can win it and that’s what we intend to do” is just the same old hollow bullsh¡t at this point.

 

[chiwigi]

Is there a clear better option?

Ross the Boss?

We won't know until we try.
We DO know that Hinkley hasn't managed it.

 

[Steve Dore]

Is there a clear better option? ...

lol, as I posted earlier in this thread;

You know Hinkley fanbois have no idea when they roll out the "but a new coach could be worse" argument.

Where would mankind be if no one had ever challenged the status quo because there was the possibility that an alternative may not turn out better?

 

[Enviable Tradition]

Is there a clear better option?

Ross the Boss?

Ross is like Hinkley, good at making teams good but not finishing the job.

We need a finisher. More like a Blight than a Lyon (not current Blight he's lost it). Someone with high expectations who isn't afraid to call a spade a spade and keep everyone on edge.

I would even consider Mark Williams on a 2 year only contract.

 

[Contested Marx]

Assuming Buckley is up for grabs soon, would he work out?

let's run through the scenario and say he's sacked this year and spends remainder of 2021 and 2022 in the media as a pop-up on Fox, SEN, wherever, but then he gets the itch to coach again or it never goes away

Meanwhile, we lollop into the 8 and win one, lose one final, then next year deliver the '15-'19 style Pork Scratchings on a Soggy Barmat (™ Hinkley), surely we have to change by then, so would 2023 be the year for Buckley?

However, even if this kind of thing plays out and he's the right coach it's probably too late by then and now i'm angry at a decade of missed opportunities.

DISCLAIMER: I can't rationalise as to why I'd prefer Buckley to say Clarkson especially given the comparison of 4 premierships vs 1 lost GF but I get the feeling that Clarkson is a little unhinged and Buckley seems measured :shrugs:

 

[simba_]

Assuming Buckley is up for grabs soon, would he work out?

hell yeah. next to Hinkley, he's Sir Alex Ferguson. plus, he isn't a Geelong man

 

[thundercloud]

It was something like, “it’s got nothing to do with Collingwood, it’s about honouring our heritage in South Australia in one game only” (give or take a stammer).

in other words, imo words yu acknowledge and respect where we have come frOm but a rEgional 8 team competition into a national 16 cannot equate.
it cannot =
it cannot be a subset
it cannot be x divided or added into y still = x
imo the expectation is that we match the best and strive to be the best and this means winning the premiership but yu unrealistically cannot replicate the past results? Ie number of premierships. A pill to swallow but it is what it is.

 

[edgie]

Ross Lyon was a winner who never won, he coached two teams to grand finals where they were behind by a total of six points when the siren went. His teams weren’t mentally susceptible like Hinkley, the issues were that his game plan might not have been the best to go all the way. Riewoldt and Pav also peaked their career under him, unlike Ken where Schulz arguable peaked in 2011 - 2012 playing for a basket case and Charlie has hardly improved since his basket case days.

You’d be mad to think he’d be worse than Ken.


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[edgie]

You'd almost bring in Bucks just for the lols it would cause, selling it as a former star returning home, magpie comes back to the nest.

 

[tribey]

You'd almost bring in Bucks just for the lols it would cause, selling it as a former star returning home, magpie comes back to the nest.

The man came within an ace of winning a flag off the back of a forward line featuring Mason Cox and Brody Mihocek and an injury list a mile long.

Stable Ken is the clearly superior coach, but

 

[bomberclifford]

There are only two things Ross Lyon is good at. Ruining AFL as a spectator sport, and juggling Eddie McGuire's balls in his mouth.

And watching schwanger pr0n on his laptop in his office.

 

[JimmyBC]

I reckon Buckley can coach as well, the melts would be epic on this board if he landed here.

 

[raman]

Buckley can go back in time and land here in October 1996 or he can **** off.

 

[JimmyBC]

raman with a just in case pre melt

 

[El_Scorcho]

I'd absolutely take Buckley, tomorrow if possible.

There are some issues at Collingwood that are out of his control. Despite that, he still got closer to a flag than Hinkley has.

 

[JimmyBC]

I'd absolutely take Buckley, tomorrow if possible.

There are some issues at Collingwood that are out of his control. Despite that, he still got closer to a flag than Hinkley has.

He should've coached elsewhere to begin with I reckon, if he gets the flick I think he'll sit it out in the media for a year two tbh.

 

[Jojay]

How good was the "Look at how laid back i am" arm resting on the back of the couch.

Must admit did look a bit try hardery

 

[backtozero]

Yeah, let's get a coach that Hinkley has managed to beat more often than not.

Was Sando or Alan Richardson not available?

 

[snozulu]

Ken's entered that mode in the press conferences where he talks about how the side isn't good enough to be a contender quick this year

and yet it was all about winning a premiership at the start of the season. Mediocrity goes far with him

 

[Launchpad McQuack]

Yeah, let's get a coach that Hinkley has managed to beat more often than not.

Was Sando or Alan Richardson not available?

Are they handing out flags for having decent records against certain coaches now?

 

[backtozero]

Are they handing out flags for having decent records against certain coaches now?