Opinion Sack Hinkley 3 - 2021 is worse than 2020 already

[PowerBaz]

The one constant has been Ken, it will need to change soon if we keep tracking the same journey. Every assistant under Ken would probably do a decent job and the way we are with $ that’s the way it will go.

The romantic idea of Bucks or grumpy defensive old Ross doesn’t get me excited, we are all just wanting change which is fair enough to discuss.

Boak, Ken, Gray, Dixon, Kochie, Voss.. etc are all on the same path to retire at a similar time, my concern is we will have missed the boat on a flag and whoever is the new coach has a long road ahead of them...

 

[PowerBaz]

 

[Steve Dore]

we have come from a regional 8 team competition into a national 16 team competition
cannot equate.
it cannot =
it cannot be a subset
it cannot be x divided or added into y still = x
imo the expectation is that we match the best and strive to be the best and this means winning the premiership but yu unrealistically cannot replicate the past results? Ie number of premierships. A pill to swallow but it is what it is.

Your argument that we shouldn't expect to win premierships because we are the only non-VFL team to have joined the AFL from a state league is laughable loser talk.

We have already won an AFL premiership and even Hinkley has got us to two Preliminary Finals. We have similar resources to the other AFL clubs, we have access to the same player draft as the other AFL clubs. Our heritage and successful record in a state league does not preclude us from winning premierships in the national competition. On the contrary it should increase our chances as we already had a strong winning culture coming into the AFL.

Unfortunately that wining culture has been diluted and degraded by Koch and his "stability over success" mantra and people like yourself who believe that we should just be grateful to be in the AFL and should aspire to continuing mediocrity.

BTW, the SNAFL was a 9 team competition when we joined the AFL not 8 but then facts are clearly not your strong point.

 

[TeeKray]

we have come from a regional 8 team competition into a national 16 team competition
cannot equate.
it cannot =
it cannot be a subset
it cannot be x divided or added into y still = x
imo the expectation is that we match the best and strive to be the best and this means winning the premiership but yu unrealistically cannot replicate the past results? Ie number of premierships. A pill to swallow but it is what it is.

Even if you want to revise down the metrics for success, it still doesn't paint a pretty picture.

1 premiership in 24 years (below statistical average, 11 of the other 17 clubs have achieved this or better in the time frame)

2 grand finals in 24 years (below statistical average, 11 of the other 17 clubs have achieved this or better in the time frame)

11 finals series in 24 years (roughly statistical average)

Absence of individual accolades such as Brownlows, Colemans, etc.

We have been a mediocre club for our 24 years in the AFL no matter how you spin it. It's nothing to do with high expectations, it's just statistical reality that we are middle of the road for achievement on every level. And there's nothing wrong with wanting to be more than that.

 

[PowerBaz]

The biggest problem with the current status at Port is it's all too comfortable - all to safe.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

we have come from a regional 8 team competition into a national 16 team competition
cannot equate.
it cannot =
it cannot be a subset
it cannot be x divided or added into y still = x
imo the expectation is that we match the best and strive to be the best and this means winning the premiership but yu unrealistically cannot replicate the past results? Ie number of premierships. A pill to swallow but it is what it is.

So you expect us to

1. Match the best
2. Be the best
3. Win premierships.

And yet you think after 10 years of categorically failing on each of these three metrics that Ken should be retained...

 

[Steve Dore]

The biggest problem with the current status at Port is it's all too comfortable - all to safe.


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But we can't possibly expect to perform like Richmond, who we smashed in the 2014 EF, because we joined the AFL from a 9 team state competition. People expecting us to win one flag since 2014 let alone 3 are being unrealistic.

 

[thundercloud]

So you expect us to

1. Match the best
2. Be the best
3. Win premierships.

And yet you think after 10 years of categorically failing on each of these three metrics that Ken should be retained...

I think that hinkley will complete his port coaching at the end of what 2023., and that is the time for both parties to move on.

 

[thundercloud]

Even if you want to revise down the metrics for success, it still doesn't paint a pretty picture.

1 premiership in 24 years (below statistical average, 11 of the other 17 clubs have achieved this or better in the time frame)

2 grand finals in 24 years (below statistical average, 11 of the other 17 clubs have achieved this or better in the time frame)

11 finals series in 24 years (roughly statistical average)

Absence of individual accolades such as Brownlows, Colemans, etc.

We have been a mediocre club for our 24 years in the AFL no matter how you spin it. It's nothing to do with high expectations, it's just statistical reality that we are middle of the road for achievement on every level. And there's nothing wrong with wanting to be more than that.

Firstly the use of the turn mediocrity i find a bit more than cringy.
the later days at football park, sitting in about same possy, could recognize the same faces from one game to the next. So for me post that arbitrary choice of benchmark has been one of enjoyment and success and able to follow the football logic of the build. Collingwood supporters are talking about a long 3 to 5 years build. The crows stripped it down and heading in the right direction. We were v middle of the road and made good hard decisions butters, dursma and rose etc. etc. obviously we are missing them at the moment!

 

[Enviable Tradition]

I think that hinkley will complete his port coaching at the end of what 2023., and that is the time for both parties to move on.

What do you see as the benefit of waiting til then?

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[VineValerian]

Your argument that we shouldn't expect to win premierships because we are the only non-VFL team to have joined the AFL from a state league is laughable loser talk.

We have already won an AFL premiership and even Hinkley has got us to two Preliminary Finals. We have similar resources to the other AFL clubs, we have access to the same player draft as the other AFL clubs. Our heritage and successful record in a state league does not preclude us from winning premierships in the national competition. On the contrary it should increase our chances as we already had a strong winning culture coming into the AFL.

Unfortunately that wining culture has been diluted and degraded by Koch and his "stability over success" mantra and people like yourself who believe that we should just be grateful to be in the AFL and should aspire to continuing mediocrity.

BTW, the SNAFL was a 9 team competition when we joined the AFL not 8 but then facts are clearly not your strong point.

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Stability over Success.
SOS.

 

[malcheski]

Firstly the use of the turn mediocrity i find a bit more than cringy.
the later days at football park, sitting in about same possy, could recognize the same faces from one game to the next. So for me post that arbitrary choice of benchmark has been one of enjoyment and success and able to follow the football logic of the build. Collingwood supporters are talking about a long 3 to 5 years build. The crows stripped it down and heading in the right direction. We were v middle of the road and made good hard decisions butters, dursma and rose etc. etc. obviously we are missing them at the moment!

So because we were shit once means we need to be forever grateful we are mid table now?

 

[edgie]

The man came within an ace of winning a flag off the back of a forward line featuring Mason Cox and Brody Mihocek and an injury list a mile long.

Stable Ken is the clearly superior coach, but

Ross Lyon was a few sprays away from toppling GOAT Hawks and Geelong with teams that featured Zac Dawson.

 

[tribey]

Ross Lyon was a few sprays away from toppling GOAT Hawks and Geelong with teams that featured Zac Dawson.

Yeah, apart from his recent oral prostate checks of Ed on Footy Classified, I’ve never really understood the criticism of his achievements.

Suns aside, brought the two biggest clown cars in the league to within an ace of premiership glory.

 

[Powerade 08]

People who did not support Freo and the Saints found it boring. So he is bad.

 

[thundercloud]

Read motlops perspective from an experienced player who does not do much media.

 

[Steve Dore]

Read motlops perspective from an experienced player who does not do much media.

Player looking for new contract praises current boss.

Fillum at eleven.

 

[edgie]

Yeah, apart from his recent oral prostate checks of Ed on Footy Classified, I’ve never really understood the criticism of his achievements.

Suns aside, brought the two biggest clown cars in the league to within an ace of premiership glory.

Probably cause his garbage brand, but he'd get more out of Charlie than Ken so, that would be more appealing to the eye?

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[PA88]

we have come from a regional 8 team competition into a national 16 team competition
cannot equate.
it cannot =
it cannot be a subset
it cannot be x divided or added into y still = x
imo the expectation is that we match the best and strive to be the best and this means winning the premiership but yu unrealistically cannot replicate the past results? Ie number of premierships. A pill to swallow but it is what it is.

West Coast start from scratch and have 4 flags.
Brisbane merge with a weakened club and have 3 flags.
South Melbourne get banished to Sydney and have 2 flags with umpteen finals.
Yet you want Port, a club that's known how to be successful for a century, to temper its expectations and be content with a 9 year coach without a gf appearance. All well and good if you want to support the Planet Teal FC.

 

[thundercloud]

What do you see as the benefit of waiting til then?

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i see no advantage of not fulfilliNg the contract.

 

[Igavemyloveachicken]

Even if you want to revise down the metrics for success, it still doesn't paint a pretty picture.

1 premiership in 24 years (below statistical average, 11 of the other 17 clubs have achieved this or better in the time frame)

2 grand finals in 24 years (below statistical average, 11 of the other 17 clubs have achieved this or better in the time frame)

11 finals series in 24 years (roughly statistical average)

Absence of individual accolades such as Brownlows, Colemans, etc.

We have been a mediocre club for our 24 years in the AFL no matter how you spin it. It's nothing to do with high expectations, it's just statistical reality that we are middle of the road for achievement on every level. And there's nothing wrong with wanting to be more than that.

Great work Teekray, I couldn't agree more.
Two periods within our history where the club failed as a collective was 2001 through to 2003 under Mark Williams and 2015 to now under Hinkley.

2001: Port Adelaide were just on the cusp of something special given the talent in our side, if we had of won the Flag that year then I'd liken it Richmond of 2017 in that would it would have instilled belief in the team despite the team not being at its peak.

2002/2003: Peak years, arguably the most talented sides to ever play for Port, we were dominant for which Port should have played off in two Grand Finals in that period and at least won one Grand Final.

2004: PREMIERSHIP, objective achieved.

2014: Port Adelaide again on the cusp of something special. The annihilation of Richmond in the Elimination Final was outstanding for which we went so close against the eventual Premiership team in Hawthorn in the Preliminary Final.

2015/2016/2017: Wasted years, a complete cluster **** by Port Adelaide, Hinkley and his players. To not make the finals with the talent we had in 2015/2016 impacted greatly on the early exit in the home Elimination final against West Coast.

2018/2019: Wasted years again to not make the finals given the talent within the club which again negatively impacted on 2020 when Port had a fully fit and talented list at its disposal. Port didn't get beaten by effort in last year's Preliminary Final against Richmond. Port just weren't as composed to handle the big moments like Richmond could when it mattered most.

2021...the big question mark?

Is the talent within Ports list better than 2020, yes without question.

Will we have the opportunity to get all that talent on the park when it matters, only time will tell.

 

[JimmyBC]

The players love Ken cried the whitebread no hopers of Mediocre Heights.

 

[Duck Farmer]

i see no advantage of not fulfilliNg the contract.

Think of it more like terminating your lease when you find out the newly renovated place you're renting in Snowtown used to be a bank.

 

[Steve Dore]

Probably cause his garbage brand ...

Had to read this twice as I didn't realise Ross had a garage band.

 

[Igavemyloveachicken]

The players love Ken cried the whitebread no hopers of Mediocre Heights.

Those same players will likely finish their careers unfulfilled without Premiership success under Hinkley.

I hate to think of what this club could have achieved regarding Premiership success since entering the AFL.
I think 3 Premiership's under Williams reign was realistic.
I think 2 Premiership's under Hinkley's reign was realistic also.