Roast Sack Koch - Chairman of The Redeem Team

[EskimoPAFC]

That is unbelievably bad that our Chairman is having a go at our young midfield.

They weren't the best but it really isn't his to say.

Imagine being a Port player.

Put everything in to your job. Let down by horrendous coaching. Have the Chairman of the club publicly blame you for the coach's failures.

 

[Capital Power]

Imagine being a Port player.

Put everything in to your job. Let down by horrendous coaching. Have the Chairman of the club publicly blame you for the coach's failures.

Precisely. This is why the whole "the players love Kenny" schtick confuses me. How can it possibly be true?

 

[tribey]

Imagine being a Port player.

Put everything in to your job. Let down by horrendous coaching. Have the Chairman of the club publicly blame you for the coach's failures.

He famously berated the playing group after the 2017 Elimination Final, to the point where Patrick Smith (lol) declared either he or Hinkley had to go (double lol — the naïveté).

 

[EskimoPAFC]

Koch seems to think that past mistakes can justify present ones…

Chokers yes, but what he has said is completely incorrect.

In 2002 we played 5th h&a finishing Essendon in a semi final and beat them, making it in to a prelim. There is a lot to be proud of in that game for such a new club to the AFL.

In 2003 we did the same again - beating Essendon in a semi final. This finals series burns harder, but its still a lot better than the straight sets garbage we served up this year.

 

[EskimoPAFC]

Precisely. This is why the whole "the players love Kenny" schtick confuses me. How can it possibly be true?

Because they are young guys that are being gaslit by an abusive cult.

They think they are to blame because they are in a culture that constantly blames them.

 

[Peninsula Boy]

The basic moving parts for over a decade are:

Port Adelaide fans demand Creed worthy results, that is winning premierships when we are ready to go.
Koch and Hinkley are poor at their jobs.
Because we will lose, they hit the propaganda machine and do their best to deflect blame.

Just about anything coming out of the Ken Hinkley Football Club should be met with a lie detector test or asked to be explained on a deeper level.

Koch said that Ken is the best man for the head coach position and data proves it. Well, Kochmuncher, can you please show us that data. I would like a good laugh so we can see how incompetent you are or how low the bar you have set.

 

[raptalia]

Dear David,

We may have short memories David but at least what we do remember is accurate not like the incorrect garbage you just served up.

If you are going to quote facts to support your Board's poor decision making make sure your facts are correct.

Here is a fact for you, you got it wrong as you and your Board should have waited until after the finals were done and dusted, that way the criterion for Ken's reappointment was winning finals.

You keep going back to our past but how about you project into the future? How about you tell us what are your criteria for reappointing Ken Hinkley at the end of 2025? What do you see as the benchmark David?

Whenever you attempt to justify your decision you keep saying 'we' as if the entire football club is united behind your decision. That is another error in judgement as a significant percentage of the supporter base question the timing of your decision.

Signed

A Concerned Supporter

 

[Peninsula Boy]

Imagine being a Port player.

Put everything in to your job. Let down by horrendous coaching. Have the Chairman of the club publicly blame you for the coach's failures.

It is terrible.

I mean Rozee didn't have the best game but you have to work with him to work out what happened and give the young guy hope for the next final series.

And that's the thing, if the Kochmuncher had a soul, he would easily blame the coach but he ain't doing that so he has to find a way. Because he is so stupid, he decides to throw the young midfield under the bus which deflects blame from himself and Hinkley but at the same time, shows how much of a two-faced lower than a snake's belly kind of guy that he really is.

 

[tribey]

Because he is so stupid, he decides to throw the young midfield under the bus which deflects blame from himself and Hinkley

Imagine saying all this and then rewarding the coach with an undeserved extension.

Six years later(!) he gives it to him before the September flame out and traditional player-scapegoating.

 

[Us against the rest]

I don't understand why Koch has to draw on comparisons when we fail. Surely the club sets itself targets to be met, that's all that the club should be focused on.
If those targets are not reached the club should act accordingly, it's not rocket science, unless you are protecting egos and mates.

Pathetic excuse for a chairman and a club but you will ultimately get what you deserve when even the forgiving happy clappers start to turn their backs on your bullshit.

 

[raptalia]

Precisely. This is why the whole "the players love Kenny" schtick confuses me. How can it possibly be true?

Possibly the only thing Ken has going for him is that fact that he hasn't lost the players. As there has not been a mass exodus from the Club and players are signing on for more we have to assume they are happy enough. That is what worries me- we have a bunch of players who are happy with being losers and the business end of the season.

 

[Us against the rest]

Imagine being a Port player.

Put everything in to your job. Let down by horrendous coaching. Have the Chairman of the club publicly blame you for the coach's failures.

If the players continually defend the coach and display their love for Ken on the boundary line, well they are also a part of the rot and deserve the blame too.
Sometimes as a player saying nothing is better than making pro Hinkley statements.
I am convinced what ever it is that's going on at Alberton is a collective thing.
A nice cushy environment but history will show that this era was a complete failure with nothing to show for the playing talent the club had.
It's sad that even the weak minded players don't want to be remembered as a great team, just pathetic.

 

[tribey]

I don't understand why Koch has to draw on comparisons when we fail. Surely the club sets itself targets to be met, that's all that the club should be focused on.
If those targets are not reached the club should act accordingly, it's not rocket science, unless you are protecting egos and mates.

Pathetic excuse for a chairman and a club but you will ultimately get what you deserve when even the forgiving happy clappers start to turn their backs on your bullshit.

While the club historian and chief content creator keeps banging the “not the SANFL anymore” drum and benchmarking Port against the league’s most infamous choke artists, the only AFL club to cop a global sanction, and the Weagles (spoons, not flags of course).

 

[Peninsula Boy]

I don't understand why Koch has to draw on comparisons when we fail. Surely the club sets itself targets to be met, that's all that the club should be focused on.
If those targets are not reached the club should act accordingly, it's not rocket science, unless you are protecting egos and mates.

Pathetic excuse for a chairman and a club but you will ultimately get what you deserve when even the forgiving happy clappers start to turn their backs on your bullshit.

The main reason Kochhead mentioned the 2001 to 2003 are:

1. Because he is an idiot.
2. You have to lose 2001 to 2003 to win in 2004 thus it is OK to lose.
3. The comparison is 3 years of failure to a premiership. That's what he is selling. 3 years of failure for a possible, and I mean, possible premiership.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

If the pass mark is a prelim final, why are you re-signing him before he makes it there?

Absolute shambles.

Just listen to Koch's comments.

He actually said finals then corrected himself to say prelim.

The former was the truth, the 2nd was the spin.

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[Thunderer]

Mark Aiston - the hero we didn't think we needed

 

[Enviable Tradition]

Yeah no kidding. Let’s benchmark ourselves against (the hope) of matching a team that significantly underachieved

Only the bad bit though, not the good bit.

At no stage did he say they expect or even hope to win a flag in 2024.

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[GremioPower]

1. Koch simply has no idea of our history, even recent history?

Koch is right.

I mean, his statement is wrong. He is right in the fact that Choco is precedent.

We were ruthless with Cahill, but not with Choco. Now, Hinkley is basically a flagless Choco.

Hinkley is obviously way worse, for 3 reasons at least:

1. No flag.
2. Not a Williams.
3. It’s the second time that is happening.

We are deliberately using a mistake to justify what we have been doing.

History is so repeating itself, now, as a farce, that Hinkley even had his 119 in the PF against the Bulldogs. (Or was it the 11-4 to miss Finals? Or was it Showdown 43? Perhaps all 3?!)

We were supposed to learn from past mistakes; not to embrace them…

 

[PortPortPort]

Koch saying that players want to go to Port because of Hinkley, they are not A grade footballers like Dunkley who knocked us back, they are all B graders trying to extend their career.

 

[GremioPower]

Koch saying that players want to go to Port because of Hinkley, they are not A grade footballers like Dunkley who knocked us back, they are all B graders trying to extend their career.

Full paycheck; no pressure. Just get within the coach circle, and you are fine.

Who wouldn’t want to come?

Only those who want to win…

 

[Grave Danger]

Mark Aiston - the hero we didn't think we needed

No - he goes full "It's not the SANFL" in this one:

 

[EskimoPAFC]

Koch is right.

I mean, his statement is wrong. He is right in the fact that Choco is precedent.

We were ruthless with Cahill, but not with Choco. Now, Hinkley is basically a flagless Choco.

Hinkley is obviously way worse, for 3 reasons at least:

1. No flag.
2. Not a Williams.
3. It’s the second time that is happening.

We are deliberately using a mistake to justify what we have been doing.

History is so repeating itself, now, as a farce, that Hinkley even had his 119 in the PF against the Bulldogs. (Or was it the 11-4 to miss Finals? Or was it Showdown 43? Perhaps all 3?!)

We were supposed to learn from past mistakes; not to embrace them…

Not sure this is true. Choco didn't capitalise as much as we would have liked, that's for sure, but his record is nothing like Hinkley's.

Choco's coaching record is actually far more representative of an average coach.

He started in 1999 as his first season, making finals but not being a threat at all. In 2000 we took a step backwards, before improving to a top 4 finish in 2001, improving again in 2002 and 2003 when we won a final, then improved again in 2004, culminating in a flag.

So he won a flag in his sixth season at the club, after a period of gradual improvement. He then backed this up with making a second grand final in his 9th season. This is the sort of record you would expect from any coach given 10 seasons at a club - two GF appearances and one flag.

Compare that to Hinkley, who has shown no improvement over a period of 11 years. His best season to date is still his second one, and we have tread water in mediocrity ever since.

To compare their 6th seasons, Hinkley's sixth season was 2018, where we didn't even make finals. He backed this up in his 7th season with not only not making finals, but failing to meet the most basic responsibility of picking a captain, then burned another four seasons on top of that (and soon to burn another two).

 

[EskimoPAFC]

There is a massive difference between being straight setted with a young team in their club's second ever finals campaign and first ever top 4 finish, and being straight setted 11 years in to a coaching role.

 

[backtozero]

It blows me away that they went through the supposed shame and embarrassment of the 2021 prelim smashing, missed finals in 2022 and then the internal expectation this year (as dictated by the coach) was to make another preliminary final.

Not to win one, but just to make it there. And they'd call that a success and there would be back slapping all 'round.

 

[Pt Augusta Power]

Choco’s side was ‘straight setted’ in his THIRD year as ****ing coach.

Ken did this in his 11th year, with a very established list of players.

Choco had enormous pressure on him - Ken has white noise and is protected by the board and president.