Injury SJOGHCIU - Offseason Edition

[dajesmac]

You have literally written

Could

Could

Could

In the first 3 paragraphs of your rebuttal. So cut the BS and own it. If you're a sycophant, own it. We ARE terrible medically. You disagree. Own it. You offer nothing, no facts, no statistics, nothing

That is quite literally the opposite of what an assumption is

 

[Obeanie1]

No, we didn't

We replaced 2 of a team of 10-12

One of those two 1 left voluntarily for greener pastures. The other left to do their another jon . This hardly constitutes dramatic change

The place was reviewed and changes made.

Everyone is under notice.

We just bought the Swans conditioning coach who has big raps.

Open both eyes.

 

[Goroyals22]

Was it not you having a whinge that Cripps and McG have new contract offers? Two players not yet even close to retirement who are two of our better senior players?

Not sure… but I wouldn’t be offering either of them more than a year with Cripps injury and McGoverns history..

And two players both over 30 who aren’t close to retirement? Ok champ

 

[Goroyals22]

Do you know what Yeo’s injury is?

All that’s been said is he’s sore and couldn’t come back on

Could be an aggravation of his pre-existing calf injury or some other soft tissue injury

Could be a cork

Could be something else

I’m just not jumping to conclusions

As for our other injuries I’ve outlined how most (over half) are collision based which our medical staff can’t control

Did our S&C program need a shake up? Yes and we brought in an experienced and highly respected operator to oversee that

Our players got through preseason noticeably fitter and until 3 weeks ago our injury list was in good shape. That’s now changed

Some of that could be down to bad management and some to being unlucky. Whichever way you look at it though it’s frustrating and I understand why posters are upset particularly when the club isn’t open about the extent of injuries

All I’m doing is trying to get people to focus on the nature of the injuries and not jump to conclusions because not every injury is avoidable

If Yeo was injured bowling over Dangerfield why didn’t he just Rain blows down on him Frank Constanza style to take out his frustration… I’m sure Asterix would have approved.

 

[WCE_phil]

So people know the clubs medical, strength and conditioning staff was mostly turned upside down over the off season. Kofoed was kept, a physio and club doctor. AFAIK everyone else was replaced.

Kofoed was given the benefit of the doubt and surrounded by new staff. We showed signs of extreme improvement in fitness before mass contact injuries and a couple of old man injuries. Even the youngsters are much fitter than they were in years gone past. We will likely see him heading it up until the end of next year before a major review is done again.

 

[RookiePick]

Yeo injuring himself bumping Danger would be peak current generation Eagles. Even when we are hard we are soft.

McGovern - reported hamstring issues, passed fit to play and rips it off the bone
Shuey - Wrecked by recurrent hamstrings
Cole - Out for a year with an ankle. Now out for indeterminate period with an ankle
Yeo - Essentially out of action for over 2 seasons with OP
Allen - Out for a year with an ankle
Chesser - Out for a year with an ankle

Our team seems to not solve issues, they become recurrent. They release players back to play, both in game and post recovery when they are clearly unable to perform at 100%. The perception is that they are very slow in returning players to fitness, compared to other clubs.

There have been some big changes in the back rooms. Let's see if it changes the status quo. It's too early to tell at this stage IMO.

 

[bzparkes]

So people know the clubs medical, strength and conditioning staff was mostly turned upside down over the off season. Kofoed was kept, a physio and club doctor. AFAIK everyone else was replaced.

Kofoed was given the benefit of the doubt and surrounded by new staff. We showed signs of extreme improvement in fitness before mass contact injuries and a couple of old man injuries. Even the youngsters are much fitter than they were in years gone past. We will likely see him heading it up until the end of next year before a major review is done again.

Then when he's gotten the flick can we replace him with someone fresh out of uni? Pretty please?

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Then when he's gotten the flick can we replace him with someone fresh out of uni? Pretty please?

Why not just get a uni student, they can work part time until they graduate?

 

[Mop]

Not sure… but I wouldn’t be offering either of them more than a year with Cripps injury and McGoverns history..

And two players both over 30 who aren’t close to retirement? Ok champ

This was before the injury.

I also consider close to retirement within the next season. Cripps can certainly play two years easy. His ankle injury is not one of wear and tear but sheer bad luck

McGovern is an easier one to argue but unfortunately for his naysayers when he’s on he’s better than anything in the shed by a long way

 

[Hook461123]

I get people saying it’s just collision injuries and it’s bad luck but when you add bad luck to an existing problem of rehabbing and recurring issues it creates a much bigger problem. And maybe some of the collision injuries like ankles could be due to the conditioning side of things. We seem to do a lot of them.
Our recovery periods seem to be longer than other teams. Year outs for ankles, 5 week calves, 14 week hammies. And our players still don’t seem to come back %100.
We also play games with our diagnoses and time frames for some reason.

Some of it is bad luck, some of it may be poor rehabbing, some could be related to poor conditioning but you add it all together and you’ve got a big issue and certainly isn’t acceptable for a professional, well financed club like us.

 

[Mop]

He’s cursed. Not sure there’s much anyone can do for a groin.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

How do you injure a groin laying a bump?

 

[Hook461123]

He’s cursed. Not sure there’s much anyone can do for a groin.

It’s probably unfair on the club but my mind goes straight to wondering if this was his issue in the preseason and they didn’t want to say anything due to his op history. The whole calf thing felt a bit odd. He was out for too long, he continued to struggle at training and was subbed out sore last week.

 

[FKASC]

How do you injure a groin laying a bump?

Bump and grind

 

[SumaGodCoach]

Bump and grind

His minds telling him yes but his bodies telling him no.

 

[Matera92]

It's almost like Yeo wasn't AFL fit, and instead of building his fitness through the WAFL they've thrown him in against the two best teams of the past three years back to back.

 

[Keys]

Just so it’s clear, with the news that it’s a groin issue for Yeo, albeit of unknown severity at this stage, this is a management issue and not bad luck

Can only hope it’s not significant and not a return of his OP problems

Either way I doubt we’ll get clarity on it anytime soon as the club’s messaging on injuries has not improved and is one area I am critical of

 

[Balls In]

We obviously didn't do a proper preseason from 2019 - 2022.

Too late, we've done one in 2023 and the squad is aerobically much fitter but the damage has been done. Too many players have picked up chronic recurring injuries that can't be fixed through training alone. As a result we have witnessed the vast majority of our players older than 28 all fall over at once.

 

[Mop]

It's almost like Yeo wasn't AFL fit, and instead of building his fitness through the WAFL they've thrown him in against the two best teams of the past three years back to back.

A groin though?

 

[Mop]

Let’s dial it back.

He DID have the surgery they eventually put off forever, right ?

 

[Luuuc]

"It's almost like Yeo wasn't AFL fit, and instead of building his fitness through the WAFL they've thrown him in against the two best teams of the past three years back to back."

A groin though?

I don't think it's that mysterious.

"A groin pull -- or groin strain -- results from putting too much stress on muscles in your groin and thigh. If these muscles are tensed too forcefully or too suddenly, they can get over-stretched or torn.
Groin pulls are common in people who play sports that require a lot of running and jumping. In particular, suddenly jumping or changing direction is a likely cause."

He put everything he had into smashing Dangerfield, and unfortunately he overdid it.
It's just about the most respectable injury a player can cop in the post-Josh-Carr era.

Is it a failing of our medical team?
Possibly.
He returned to the side in the back line. Perfect place to find some form in the 2023 Eagles team since that's where the Sherrin spends 95% of its time. Also a better place than the midfield to keep a lid on the total workload.
If we changed his role during the game then that's taking a risk by deviating from the original plan.

I obviously don't know what the plan actually was. Just throwing it out there because the alternative to procrastinating on BF is getting back to work.

 

[Nuke Fremantle]

Our team seems to not solve issues, they become recurrent. They release players back to play, both in game and post recovery when they are clearly unable to perform at 100%. The perception is that they are very slow in returning players to fitness, compared to other clubs.

There have been some big changes in the back rooms. Let's see if it changes the status quo. It's too early to tell at this stage IMO.

This gets to what really shits me about the injuries. It's not so much that players get injured in the first place, after all it's a collision sport and you have to expect them on a semi-regular basis. It's a) the length of time in recovery and b) the incidence of recurrence. Our club seems to have fallen way behind in those 2 aspects.

 

[Byron_Clanger]

Yeo's body (as well as the usual suspects over the last few years) body just isn't up to the rigours of footy. The guy's played 29 games of footy since the start of the 2020 season.

 

[06Premiers]

How do you injure a groin laying a bump?

Probably the same way you injure a hamstring flying for a mark and landing on your head.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Yeo and Hewett sent for scans

West Coast is dealing with a challenging period on the availability front heading towards round six of the AFL season

www.westcoasteagles.com.au

Doesn’t say much other than confirming Yeo (groin) and Hewett (ankle) are off for scans.