Injury SJOGHCIU - Offseason Edition

[bzparkes]

Not blaming Tommy for a minute, signing a 3 year deal when you are sitting out with a serious ankle injury is a no brainer. Just not sure why we throw three years at a guy sitting out a year at the time. A year long ankle is not your run of the mill ankle injury. The club doesn't seem to have tried to protect it's interests in any of it's recent contract dealings. Give the bloke an extra ~$50k a year but only a 2 year deal and/or a two year deal with a games played trigger for the third or something. Expecting our medical guys to get players back to 100% is also, at best, ambitious.

Is TC really that much (any?) better than Jacko Nelson anyway? Not sure what the decision tree looked like when they decided which to retain tbh.

Usually they give a third year on less money(i.e., 2 year contract spread out across 3) so they player has the security of a longer contract, is my understanding.

Plenty of deadwood to get rid of at the end of this year anyway.

 

[ioppolo]

Not blaming Tommy for a minute, signing a 3 year deal when you are sitting out with a serious ankle injury is a no brainer. Just not sure why we throw three years at a guy sitting out a year at the time. A year long ankle is not your run of the mill ankle injury. The club doesn't seem to have tried to protect it's interests in any of it's recent contract dealings. Give the bloke an extra ~$50k a year but only a 2 year deal and/or a two year deal with a games played trigger for the third or something. Expecting our medical guys to get players back to 100% is also, at best, ambitious.

Is TC really that much (any?) better than Jacko Nelson anyway? Not sure what the decision tree looked like when they decided which to retain tbh.

One is a premiership player

Cole is slightly more accountable for his opponent too...which isn't saying much given the low bar Nelson set.

 

[WCE_phil]

One is a premiership player

Cole is slightly more accountable for his opponent too...which isn't saying much given the low bar Nelson set.

Cole is a better kick and better defensively in that he is less prone to giving away stupid free kicks or brain fades.

Nelson offered more positional flexibility, could play multiple roles and play as a genuine tagger. We never really got to see it in the game plan over an extended period. His biggest issue was that he was prone to at least 1 brain fade or stupid free kick a game that would result in a goal against and that he never settled in a role.

Cole suits that back pocket position a touch more, but not to the point where he should have been contracted effectively for 4 years whilst having a major injury.

If Nelson was given the same positional security i'm certainly of the belief that he was/is/could have been a better player than cole. Particularly with the more modern game plan.

 

[RookiePick]

Cole is a better kick and better defensively in that he is less prone to giving away stupid free kicks or brain fades.

Nelson offered more positional flexibility, could play multiple roles and play as a genuine tagger. We never really got to see it in the game plan over an extended period. His biggest issue was that he was prone to at least 1 brain fade or stupid free kick a game that would result in a goal against and that he never settled in a role.

Cole suits that back pocket position a touch more, but not to the point where he should have been contracted effectively for 4 years whilst having a major injury.

If Nelson was given the same positional security i'm certainly of the belief that he was/is/could have been a better player than cole. Particularly with the more modern game plan.

TC missing last year was quite possibly the best thing that could have happened to him. Didn't get any of the loser stink on him. You only have to see around here as the absence grew longer the stories of what an impact Cole would make on return grew taller and taller.

I'm still of the opinion that JN best game - vs Hawthorn when they were still formidable - is still the best single game played by our Duggan/Nelson/Cole Triumvirate. If the poor bastard hadn't broken his arm in that game who knows. A real sliding door moment in his career IMO. Our new pressure and move the ball aggressively plan seems so much better suited to Nelson's strengths as well.

Anyway...my point was about club backroom stuff. I feel really bad for TC and hope he can make a full recovery ASAP.

 

[THE A5]

Jackson Nelson

30

Jackson Nelson

Age

28

Ht

187cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.8

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

3.2

3star

T

2.0

4star

MG

184.8

3star

D

14.8

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

4.8

3star

M

4.3

4star

T

2.3

3star

MG

171.8

3star

D

8.6

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.2

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

127.0

3star

might have played 100 games but IMO he needed more belief from Simpson. Reckon bloke will go down in club history as one of the biggest what if’s. He was a born leader

 

[Bender_]

What type of nickname is "Coley" anyway? Put some effort in FFS. Indicative of where our club is at the moment. Sack Woosha Simmo.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Jackson Nelson might have played 100 games but IMO he needed more belief from Simpson. Reckon bloke will go down in club history as one of the biggest what if’s. He was a born leader

Nah. Reckon he was always going to be a role player player at best.

Some real ‘what if’ players would be Sampi, Brad Smith, Cameron, Swift.

Could mount a case for the likes of Venables, Newman, Ebert also. Staker never really put it together either.

 

[Cuzz09]

Old King Cole?
Santa?

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[THE A5]

Nah. Reckon he was always going to be a role player player at best.

Some real ‘what if’ players would be Sampi, Brad Smith, Cameron, Swift.

Could mount a case for the likes of Venables, Newman, Ebert also. Staker never really put it together either.

think Adamson was stiff. Reckon the kid would have been a home run if had was kept for one more year

 

[DanWA]

He re-signed for 3 years last year. Pretty normal for a bloke of his age.

Really?
He hasn't done much since the flag
3 years is a joke

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Really?
He hasn't done much since the flag
3 years is a joke

Top 10 B&F in 2021.

Showed a bit when moved onto a wing the previous year, too.

 

[bzparkes]

Really?
He hasn't done much since the flag
3 years is a joke

Can't imagine it'd be a significant contract.

Due to the list transition, you also have to pay someone to reach the cap floor.

 

[Cuzz09]

I thought he was a handy little forward there in 2020

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[Biggie]

 

[FKASC]

Thats a standard ankle after training on the MRP oval

 

[RookiePick]

Jackson Nelson

30

Jackson Nelson

Age

28

Ht

187cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.8

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

3.2

3star

T

2.0

4star

MG

184.8

3star

D

14.8

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

4.8

3star

M

4.3

4star

T

2.3

3star

MG

171.8

3star

D

8.6

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.2

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

127.0

3star

might have played 100 games but IMO he needed more belief from Simpson. Reckon bloke will go down in club history as one of the biggest what if’s. He was a born leader

Lead Seven blokes into the HipE club. I've always been laughed out of the room when I've suggested going there.

 

[06Premiers]

What type of nickname is "Coley" anyway? Put some effort in FFS. Indicative of where our club is at the moment. Sack Woosha Simmo.

I think Tommy is better.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

What type of nickname is "Coley" anyway? Put some effort in FFS. Indicative of where our club is at the moment. Sack Woosha Simmo.

Tom “Gary” Cole?



Let’s make it happen.

 

[Bender_]

Tom “Gary” Cole?

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Let’s make it happen.

Tom "Trickle" Cole



Bringing the thunder.

 

[Keys]

Tom B Cole

 

[KERRPOW]

Are you sure that is not just xavier ellis' foot?

 

[Nuffington Post]

Anyone see Simmo’s presser? A journalist referenced the West’s claims about the Eagles doing an independent review of their S&C/medical team. Simmo laughed it off as ridiculous given it was from the West. The journalist confirmed it was a quote from Nisbett and he had to backtrack…


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[DanWCE]

Anyone see Simmo’s presser? A journalist referenced the West’s claims about the Eagles doing an independent review of their S&C/medical team. Simmo laughed it off as ridiculous given it was from the West. The journalist confirmed it was a quote from Nisbett and he had to backtrack…


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I just read the article Mop posted and I can't see anything suggesting as much. We review our entire footy operations every two years. For every injury no matter how insignificant the S&C team go through the players sleep, extra curricular activities, have they done anything out of the ordinary (moving house/furniture etc). They don't just assume everything is directly related to footy.

Journo is connecting a few dots and trying to extract something more than the sum of its parts. At least we got a good gif out of it

 

[Nuffington Post]

I just read the article Mop posted and I can't see anything suggesting as much. We review our entire footy operations every two years. For every injury no matter how insignificant the S&C team go through the players sleep, extra curricular activities, have they done anything out of the ordinary (moving house/furniture etc). They don't just assume everything is directly related to footy.

Journo is connecting a few dots and trying to extract something more than the sum of its parts. At least we got a good gif out of it

Ah yep I think the issue was the article quoted Nisbett but the exact quote about independent review was from Sumich the jokeman


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[CoastersFlag No.5]

Anyone see Simmo’s presser? A journalist referenced the West’s claims about the Eagles doing an independent review of their S&C/medical team. Simmo laughed it off as ridiculous given it was from the West. The journalist confirmed it was a quote from Nisbett and he had to backtrack…


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Simmo addressed this there is no external review going on and re confirmed that there was the usual internal review of every injury. You can see it yourself.