Roast St Kilda in no mans land

[Strapping Young Lad]

That is an 'opinion' not articulating a point

You've chosen to quote one line out of the tens that I've posted to declare that I've not articulated a point.

Then you decided to once again try and make this about Hawthorn.

"weak" indeed.

 

[Verdun]

You've chosen to quote one line out of the tens that I've posted to declare that I've not articulated a point.

Then you decided to once again try and make this about Hawthorn.

"weak" indeed.

And you respond defensively without responding to what i posted yep "weak" indeed.

 

[Mat Mann]

You just lost your best defender, my guy. Who are your other defenders?

Are we including (next year) 32yr old Jimmy Webster, 29yr old Cordy etc in your next flag tilt side? Or…

can't name 2 multiple AA's from our defense, but wants us to take his opinion as informed and insightful



TROLL !!!!!!!!!

 

[Elixuh]

can't name 2 multiple AA's from our defense, but wants us to take his opinion as informed and insightful



TROLL !!!!!!!!!

I'm just trying to make St Kilda great again

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

And you respond defensively without responding to what i posted yep "weak" indeed.

You resorted to deflecting to Hawthorn for the 3rd straight time...if that wasn't bad enough you ignore literal paragraphs of text to quote one line and say "that's not articulating a point, that's an opinion".

I'm no longer interested in anything you have to say.

 

[Atomboy]

I can't believe they made it public they were going to take a player from Sandy and then didn't follow through.

Can't imagine that is encouraging top up players down to the club.

Oh piss off mate, we’ve just picked one up in the Rookie draft.

Yes he only played half a game for Sandy this year but is a mature age midfield recruit and should be handy backup.

 

[phantom13]

can't name 2 multiple AA's from our defense, but wants us to take his opinion as informed and insightful



TROLL !!!!!!!!!

Really is something else isn’t it

 

[Dogflogger]

Didn’t the saints miss finals this year and the blues made finals? But the saints were better and will be better.

Again, you beat a VFL side in rd 24.

Gimme some of that sainters logic, straight into my veins.

We talking about the same Carlton who didn't score a point in the first quarter of their final? we must have really
demoralized them since we were their last opponent before that match or do injury lists suddenly matter during finals?

 

[Elixuh]

We talking about the same Carlton who didn't score a point in the first quarter of their final? we must have really
demoralized them since we were their last opponent before that match or do injury lists suddenly matter during finals?

I think Carlton are spuds just like the rest of you, but they’re not St Kilda level bad. I’m not the one that is adamant that the saints will be better than carlton next season on some random metrics that make no sense and no one understands. Old Phantom of the opera has had a mare this afternoon and despite multiple people pointing it out he is going down the everybody else is crazy route.

I can tell by your username that you’re a very reasonable and astute fellow Mr dogflogger so I ask you not to make the same mistake.

 

[Dogflogger]

I think Carlton are spuds just like the rest of you, but they’re not St Kilda level bad. I’m not the one that is adamant that the saints will be better than carlton next season on some random metrics that make no sense and no one understands. Old Phantom of the opera has had a mare this afternoon and despite multiple people pointing it out he is going down the everybody else is crazy route.

I can tell by your username that you’re a very reasonable and astute fellow Mr dogflogger so I ask you not to make the same mistake.

Not long ago Brisbane were St kilda level bad and then they won a grand final, just as the AFL wants to grow the game up north what a coincidence maybe the AFL might want to grow the game down south soon and we might have some luck, with mid season drafting and soon trading it might happen sooner than even you think.

 

[Elixuh]

Not long ago Brisbane were St kilda level bad and then they won a grand final, just as the AFL wants to grow the game up north what a coincidence maybe the AFL might want to grow the game down south soon and we might have some luck, with mid season drafting and soon trading it might happen sooner than even you think.

I would like to see the saints successful as I like the club and most of their supporters, including you Mr dogflogger. So I hope this build ends up working out for you. And yes I do remember when Brisbane were bad and agree our academy is the reason we won the flag.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Not long ago Brisbane were St kilda level bad and then they won a grand final, just as the AFL wants to grow the game up north what a coincidence

This is a silly thing to write. The AFL has wanted to grow the game up north for decades, including when the Lions were in the cellar. It isn't something they just decided was a goal this year. And if you're insinuating the AFL fixed this season for the Lions to win, you need to remove the tinfoil hat.

Anyway, St Kilda did well in this draft, but need to grab a few more midfielders in the next two.

 

[Dogflogger]

So Brisbane won a threepeat and then their team disintegrated after COLA was removed, they then spudded it up until they could leverage the value of they academy players and with a touch of F/S luck they landed another GF.
A bit simplified but from what i can tell without some kind of rule that gives you an advantage your team is just as shit as St Kilda.

I totally agree we are in no mans land. We need what won Collingwood and Brisbane their recent premiership, cheap F/S and cheap academy players. I sure as hell know if we ship off two of our highest payed players and pay some of their ongoing contract we wouldn't win a premiership in the next couple of years like Collingwood did. We would just sink to the bottom 4 for half a decade.

Our last serious tilt at the flag was built on the back of the Priority pick rule and being shit for long enough to draft a team we then lost two GF's to teams littered with father son stars. I'd assume you guys know what that feels like watching Daicos/Daicos/Moore beat you in the 23 grand final.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Relying on 4 of the last 7 games to show that you’re attack is good isn’t ideal when 3 of 4 are Richmond, west coast and Essendon. I checked the Richmond stats and you under performed against them as their average points against is higher than what the saints scored.

Cats game is the only instructive one with a decent score but also noting you conceded a lot more goals. And it’s only a 1 game sample size.

Here’s the point I think has gone whizzing by you.

Most of those games where we kicked 99 points or more might have been against crap teams, but guess what?

They weren’t the first crap teams we’ve played in the last two years.

Yet in the first 37 games under Lyon this time around, guess how many times we kicked 99 points or more?

Twice. 2 from 37.

So if you can’t tell that something pretty significant has shifted- with regards to a teams abilty to score- when they’ve scored that much 5 times in their last 10 games (including twice against preliminary finalists), when they’d done it just twice from the previous 37, you may be beyond help.

Because they’ve gone from doing it once every 18.5 games, to once every 2 games, on average.

 

[aussierulesrules]

You also know that people are really desperately scraping the bottom of the barrel when they start arguing about the validity of a teams wins when they’ve kept the opposition to about 50 points, and scored 100 themselves. Or when they’ve won 113 to 41.

It’s probably time to pack it in when you have to start resorting to that.

In those 3 wins against weaker opposition we scored 320 points ourselves and kept the opposition to just 147.

While in between those we blew Geelong off the park with a 13 goal second half.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

So Brisbane won a threepeat and then their team disintegrated after COLA was removed,

Wrong.

they then spudded it up until they could leverage the value of they academy players

Wrong again.

and with a touch of F/S luck they landed another GF.

You know Will Ashcroft was missing for most of the year, right?

A bit simplified but from what i can tell without some kind of rule that gives you an advantage your team is just as shit as St Kilda.

Nah we don't have 150 years of failure behind us. But good work trying to drag another club into this.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Its funny, most oppo fans called Battle a loose third tall who wasnt that great... until he left.

I still call him that.

He is the epitome of an average player. Not 'average' as in 'bad'. Just average average.

The only thing he's above average at is toughness.

Literally everything else is just meh.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Ross the boss team defence gameplan gives you the statistics for a top 6 defence. No one is looking at your back 6 as a defensive unit and say wow wish we had all that.

To be fair, I don't think any modern football person 'looks at the back 6'.

Football is a full ground team game.

Aside from the 6-6-6 rule - there is no back six anymore.

All 18 players have a role.

These 'on paper' discussions are absolutely futile and very misguided.

 

[aussierulesrules]

I still call him that.

He is the epitome of an average player. Not 'average' as in 'bad'. Just average average.

The only thing he's above average at is toughness.

Literally everything else is just meh.

He’s a bloody good, long and penetrating kick. And very dual-sided.

Watching him play live at the ground late in the year that was one thing I kept thinking we’d really miss, if he left. Along with his intercept marking.

He’s your “old fashioned footballer” who just does everything well.

 

[Sarcoidevo]

Battle's game on Cameron late in the year was superb, that can't be denied, system or non-system

It can be denied ..... Cameron had 16 disposals 7 marks and kicked 3 goals ... equal most goals in the game

 

[Verdun]

You resorted to deflecting to Hawthorn for the 3rd straight time...if that wasn't bad enough you ignore literal paragraphs of text to quote one line and say "that's not articulating a point, that's an opinion".

I'm no longer interested in anything you have to say.

Oh the irony - you do exactly what you accuse me of ie cherry picking one sentence in my posts and ignore the rest where I talk about the young players and where the list is at.

Life is short not- worth the drama, I'm heading to the airport to fly to Melbourne for a week staying just off Hawthorn road in Caufield to catch up with my daughter who lives there. Quite like Hawthorn!!

Have enjoyed the discussion and like some posters I can get defensive about the team - (apologies Strapping Young Lad) - I support; but as I said there is a commitment to bringing in class and not settling for mediocrity. This was the case 3- 4 years ago and there has been a substantial turnover of the list.

As a Saints supporter I am comfortable with the list development with the knowledge that we have the $s to attack trade period going forward. Also expect the team to finish in the 6- 9 range, with potential of continued development of the game plan to be both attacking and defensive - the change in the list making this possible.

 

[phantom13]

I’ve said it before, there are legitimate criticisms and questions over what the saints have done and it is a risk the mini rebuild on the fly (there’s also a risk in the full bottom out rebuild, just look at North).

The vast majority of the criticism and commentary in this thread hasn’t gone close to hitting it and most of yesterdays, in particular Elixuh garbage was factually incorrect and weirdly passive aggressive opinionated shit (terrible defence even though we’re top 5 for points against).

Saints fans are optimistic right now because the vision and plan is pretty clear. If you can’t see it I’d suggest it’s more because you really want us to continue being shit (and yes we have been shit for the vast majority of our 150+ years, we already know that) rather than some genuine concern we’ve mishandled our current flag building exercise.

Now maybe it doesn’t work out for us, every flag needs a slice of luck and a lot more to go right than wrong, but the actual path we’ve planned and are executing make perfect sense given the players and tools we’ve got. They certainly make a lot more sense than another bottom out and rebuild from scratch.

Personally as a supporter I’d much prefer we take a swing with a plan and fail than just be woefully shit for 5-10 years hoping that the kids come on.

 

[Gavin Excell]

I’ve said it before, there are legitimate criticisms and questions over what the saints have done and it is a risk the mini rebuild on the fly (there’s also a risk in the full bottom out rebuild, just look at North).

The vast majority of the criticism and commentary in this thread hasn’t gone close to hitting it and most of yesterdays, in particular Elixuh garbage was factually incorrect and weirdly passive aggressive opinionated shit (terrible defence even though we’re top 5 for points against).

Saints fans are optimistic right now because the vision and plan is pretty clear. If you can’t see it I’d suggest it’s more because you really want us to continue being shit (and yes we have been shit for the vast majority of our 150+ years, we already know that) rather than some genuine concern we’ve mishandled our current flag building exercise.

Now maybe it doesn’t work out for us, every flag needs a slice of luck and a lot more to go right than wrong, but the actual path we’ve planned and are executing make perfect sense given the players and tools we’ve got. They certainly make a lot more sense than another bottom out and rebuild from scratch.

Personally as a supporter I’d much prefer we take a swing with a plan and fail than just be woefully shit for 5-10 years hoping that the kids come on.

That's fair enough and if you can see a plan then that gives supporters realistic hope

But at the same time you can see opposition supporters being a bit sceptical of the Saints given events of past few years.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

You’ve convinced me, saints have a stellar list and will be my flag favourite for 2025. Midoingitright?

No-one needs to convince you , you are totally inconsequential. Its funny how you think your worthwhile opinion is worth something.

 

[Elixuh]

I’ve said it before, there are legitimate criticisms and questions over what the saints have done and it is a risk the mini rebuild on the fly (there’s also a risk in the full bottom out rebuild, just look at North).

The vast majority of the criticism and commentary in this thread hasn’t gone close to hitting it and most of yesterdays, in particular Elixuh garbage was factually incorrect and weirdly passive aggressive opinionated shit (terrible defence even though we’re top 5 for points against).

Saints fans are optimistic right now because the vision and plan is pretty clear. If you can’t see it I’d suggest it’s more because you really want us to continue being shit (and yes we have been shit for the vast majority of our 150+ years, we already know that) rather than some genuine concern we’ve mishandled our current flag building exercise.

Now maybe it doesn’t work out for us, every flag needs a slice of luck and a lot more to go right than wrong, but the actual path we’ve planned and are executing make perfect sense given the players and tools we’ve got. They certainly make a lot more sense than another bottom out and rebuild from scratch.

Personally as a supporter I’d much prefer we take a swing with a plan and fail than just be woefully shit for 5-10 years hoping that the kids come on.

You take criticisms really well phantom

Saints obsession with playing everyone behind the ball and chipping it around to limit points against is interesting. I recall the lions and saints game at marvel when we were 85 points up yet the Saints beat us in marks. What does that tell you.