Autopsy St Kilda v Melbourne, Etihad Stadium @ 4:10pm

[Choomah]

Three top 20 picks? Seeing as we already traded away our 2nd round pick, how do we magically end up with two extra top 20 picks? The only way I can see right now is to trade Steven, Billings or maybe Bruce if he has another good year. Literally no other player on the list could be traded for two top 20 picks.

Trade with gws Gold Coast or the swans who are looking for academy points

 

[Jade Buddha]

Trade with gws Gold Coast or the swans who are looking for academy points

Won't be enough sadly.

 

[Choomah]

Won't be enough sadly.

Dunno could net us a pick or two, could trade off Murdoch or someone like that

 

[Persevering Saint]

Why don't we trade Lee and Curren to somebody with an eye for under-utilised talent?

 

[bergholt]

Dunno could net us a pick or two, could trade off Murdoch or someone like that

Why don't we trade Lee and Curren to somebody with an eye for under-utilised talent?

If we threw in a couple of slabs, we might get a third-round pick for all three of them combined. Trading rubbish gets you nothing.

 

[Mowman]

If we threw in a couple of slabs, we might get a third-round pick for all three of them combined. Trading rubbish gets you nothing.

Spot on players like Lee, Murdoch, Curren not going to get us a 4th round pick, if they dont make it with us this year there career will just about over I would think

 

[sauce_head]

Billings 1st quarter then turn it off

I saw a bit of the replay at the pub without knowing the result. Was a bit tipsy and every time I looked at the screen billings was killing it. Perhaps I will leave it at that!

 

[Mowman]

I saw a bit of the replay at the pub without knowing the result. Was a bit tipsy and every time I looked at the screen billings was killing it. Perhaps I will leave it at that!

He just has so much CLASS

 

[sauce_head]

I was watching this one while cleaning the house, so didn't get a detailed look.

First thing - it's a practice game. Last year we lost to Brissie, got beaten by 100+ by Hawthorn and only beat Essendon who rested all of their drug players and we still took a half to shake them off. Melbourne will be pretty handy this year - you're five years out of date if you think they're an ordinary team. In addition, they've had a flawless lead up while we are obviously a game behind and were trying a lot of different things today. Eg, Bruce spent most of the second quarter on the bench apparently.

Lonie's field kicking is just a pleasure to watch. We need him as a full time midfielder as soon as he's capable of it. Our rucks were a worry today - Max Gawn dominated, but then again he's a hell of a ruck man.

That young Hogan kid is a terrific footballer, but does he have a little bit of an overly sensitive ear for footsteps? Seemed to duck out of contests on at least two occasions today.

He's mentored by Watts i suppose!

 

[NarrowMind]

i would rather those two. however, The club has been talking Geary up a few times this year. he also was the only senior player that went with Roo to Tassie with the kids.

I figured as much as well, but i'm trying not to buy into at all.
Knowing the way the clubs acts these days and how transparent they are it's growing more likely Geary will take up the role.

My personal preference for the gig would be Newnes. His on field out put is growing by the week and his leadership ability must be doing the same as he is continually voted into the leadership group and will more than likely be a fixture within it until his time with the club is up.
Hopefully Roo can manage the role for a while yet before Newnesy steps into it.

 

[saintbill]

Do you think you might be just a tiny bit premature in
writing off a 10 gamer with "diabolical" skills?

I agree it is premature to write him off, but it is also premature to label him a future star as has been done on this forum time and time again. In reality I am sure his career will probably land somewhere in the middle. FWIW, I am not trying to say he won't make it as an AFL player, he will have value elsewhere he obviously has some attractive traits. I just don't think Acres is a good fit for our list. We need skills, skills and more skills. Dunstan's kicking is just okay, same for Ross and Steven, and it is unlikely Freeman will ever be elite by foot either. Even if you add 1-2 absolute elite kicks to our midfield rotation (easier said than done), it is still not good enough. We can't carry 3-4 okay kicks through the midfield and a very poor one. Unless he becomes an absolute Fyfe-esque beast around the ball (which is a long shot let's face it), that is not a midfield that is damaging enough to hurt the absolute best sides.

Acres has value in the market place, if we could go close to getting our money back for him I would have no issue with the club pulling the trigger if his disposal has not improved significantly within 12 months. It might be only 3 years into his career, but that ball drop is going to be hard to improve. His action is very ordinary, he is unlikely to ever be a good kick rather it will always be a question of whether it is still a liability. Like Farren Ray, his action means he is regularly going to get under them, and penetration will be lacking as will consistency. With zoning the way it is now, more than ever it is imperative you are able to get some penetration with your kicking, simply pumping it high in the air to contests where we are out manned is as good as a turnover.

 

[sipossational2]

he might be the captain next year.

i know, there's every chance of it. but would you be comfortable knowing a bloke with not much actual footballing ability, is the man that is supposed to lead this new wave of kids to success and hopefully win a grand final within the next 5 years? his tackling and pressure is second to none, courage is fantastic tough as nails but to me newnes is the same player as geary, only potentially 10 times better. newnes has already passed gears and they play similar roles, and to me should be captain in 3 years - next year it should be armo, 2018 armo and newnes co captaining and from then on it should be all jacks in my opinion

 

[NarrowMind]

i know, there's every chance of it. but would you be comfortable knowing a bloke with not much actual footballing ability, is the man that is supposed to lead this new wave of kids to success and hopefully win a grand final within the next 5 years? his tackling and pressure is second to none, courage is fantastic tough as nails but to me newnes is the same player as geary, only potentially 10 times better. newnes has already passed gears and they play similar roles, and to me should be captain in 3 years - next year it should be armo, 2018 armo and newnes co captaining and from then on it should be all jacks in my opinion

Why bother bringing in Armo down the track at all?
The young group needs to continue progressing at similar passes and Newnes is the man to lead them imo.

I think we're getting a bit ahead of ourselves however, but the idea that we may regress in a leadership sense in the near future is a touch frightening.

 

[bird_man]

I agree it is premature to write him off, but it is also premature to label him a future star as has been done on this forum time and time again. In reality I am sure his career will probably land somewhere in the middle. FWIW, I am not trying to say he won't make it as an AFL player, he will have value elsewhere he obviously has some attractive traits. I just don't think Acres is a good fit for our list. We need skills, skills and more skills. Dunstan's kicking is just okay, same for Ross and Steven, and it is unlikely Freeman will ever be elite by foot either. Even if you add 1-2 absolute elite kicks to our midfield rotation (easier said than done), it is still not good enough. We can't carry 3-4 okay kicks through the midfield and a very poor one. Unless he becomes an absolute Fyfe-esque beast around the ball (which is a long shot let's face it), that is not a midfield that is damaging enough to hurt the absolute best sides.

Acres has value in the market place, if we could go close to getting our money back for him I would have no issue with the club pulling the trigger if his disposal has not improved significantly within 12 months. It might be only 3 years into his career, but that ball drop is going to be hard to improve. His action is very ordinary, he is unlikely to ever be a good kick rather it will always be a question of whether it is still a liability. Like Farren Ray, his action means he is regularly going to get under them, and penetration will be lacking as will consistency. With zoning the way it is now, more than ever it is imperative you are able to get some penetration with your kicking, simply pumping it high in the air to contests where we are out manned is as good as a turnover.

I agree with your first sentence, but I don't think we get a lot out of trading him. What would you expect to get for him?

He will end up being a handy player eventually, but at the moment he is long way off. I can't see too many sides giving up too much for him so we are better off persisting with him. He wont be the next Scott Pendlebury but we do need depth in our midfield.

 

[TheLonieRanger]

we should just give billings the captaincy and be done with it

#veryserious

#butactually

 

[bergholt]

The young group needs to continue progressing at similar passes and Newnes is the man to lead them imo.

Maybe, I like the way he's developing. My concern would be that he's not A-grade yet and still has to work hard on his own game before he can start taking ownership for the entire side. I obviously don't know him but it takes a pretty special person to be able to captain an AFL side at just 24 (which is what he'll be next year). Makes sense to me that Armo do a few years.

 

[sipossational2]

Why bother bringing in Armo down the track at all?
The young group needs to continue progressing at similar passes and Newnes is the man to lead them imo.

I think we're getting a bit ahead of ourselves however, but the idea that we may regress in a leadership sense in the near future is a touch frightening.

i just don't think newnes should be thrown into it straight away, i think it would be better if he's eased into it, and just get a taste of what it's like before taking the full reigns is all

 

[bird_man]

No way will Geary be our next captain. He might be a strong leader but that will be useless to us if he's not 100% going to be in our side. He's barely best 22 now and it will only get harder for him as the young guys improve.

 

[NarrowMind]

Maybe, I like the way he's developing. My concern would be that he's not A-grade yet and still has to work hard on his own game before he can start taking ownership for the entire side. I obviously don't know him but it takes a pretty special person to be able to captain an AFL side at just 24 (which is what he'll be next year). Makes sense to me that Armo do a few years.

i just don't think newnes should be thrown into it straight away, i think it would be better if he's eased into it, and just get a taste of what it's like before taking the full reigns is all

Fair points you both make on the Armo front. I guess it all just depends on how long Roo has left.
If the turn around is shorter than i've anticipated (before 2018) then it does make sense to have someone act as a buffer for Newnes in the roll, but then again isn't that what the leadership group is for?

 

[BrianSpeaking]

There's some funny reading on here, posters saying we were never looking at Mitch Brown because his dad said so. Lol, why would we tell a parent we are looking at his son, it beggars belief you would even post that on here.

In relation to getting three picks inside the top 20, that's easily done if we and another club/s want to make it happen.

Perhaps three in 25 is more realistic.

 

[sipossational2]

Fair points you both make on the Armo front. I guess it all just depends on how long Roo has left.
If the turn around is shorter than i've anticipated (before 2018) then it does make sense to have someone act as a buffer for Newnes in the roll, but then again isn't that what the leadership group is for?

yeah good point, i mean idk all we can do is wait and see what happens, going by what joey said today he's expecting both he and roo - provided they can still play an important role and not thwart development of younger guys, they'll be around for our next tilt at the finals. however i would almost be willing to bet everything i own that this will be rooey's last year as captain

 

[BrianSpeaking]

Three top 20 picks? Seeing as we already traded away our 2nd round pick, how do we magically end up with two extra top 20 picks? The only way I can see right now is to trade Steven, Billings or maybe Bruce if he has another good year. Literally no other player on the list could be traded for two top 20 picks.

Don't be silly, there's many ways we can achieve a desired result.

 

[NarrowMind]

yeah good point, i mean idk all we can do is wait and see what happens, going by what joey said today he's expecting both he and roo - provided they can still play an important role and not thwart development of younger guys, they'll be around for our next tilt at the finals. however i would almost be willing to bet everything i own that this will be rooey's last year as captain

Hopefully they do stick around for as long as possible. Their versatility in multiple positions means it becomes a lot harder for them to hinder development when they can play across the ground essentially as playing coaches.

The way I see it is someone in that next batch of players needs to become our next skipper. Someone needs to lead the group forward as many of the other prospective leaders will have either finished up or be nearing the end by the time we are seriously competitive again. I suppose that is one of the only negatives of having a bloke that has skippered the club for so long - other's miss their opportunity and an age gap arises.

 

[Armitage2Riewoldt]

Lones: http://www.saints.com.au/video/2016-03-13/postmatch-jack-lonie

Jack Jack: http://www.saints.com.au/video/2016-03-13/postmatch-jack-steven

 

[gringo2011]

There's some funny reading on here, posters saying we were never looking at Mitch Brown because his dad said so. Lol, why would we tell a parent we are looking at his son, it beggars belief you would even post that on here.

In relation to getting three picks inside the top 20, that's easily done if we and another club/s want to make it happen.

Perhaps three in 25 is more realistic.

As long as it'd not trading down picks again. that was a massive f up with Saad and milera etc. Don't turn pick 4 into 10 and 16 or something stupid. Otherwise it means trading out a ruck man because everyone else is to valuable to us or of no interest elsewhere. Either way I wasn't overly impressed with losing our first pick from 2015 even though so far it's worked okay with Gresham. Billings is our only gun kid who looks likely to be a star so far. Others show promise but the only way we got Jack is because we finished low enough on the ladder to get access to him. Losing that access would be crazy.