Media Swans Talk in the Media 2024

[Cadsky]

Complacency, culture and fitting in fresh faces: Every AFL club’s biggest off-season issue

Achilles heel that must be fixed; culture shift starts now: Every club’s biggest off-season issue

www.foxsports.com.au

What frustrates me is all these so called experts write their articles like we can just go out and get any player we want without taking into account the fact that virtually no one wants to move to Sydney. And when we do, the sky is falling because how did we get another one? Yet no questions ever get asked how teams like Geelong, Carlton, pies ect constantly add to their list year after year and never have a cap to manage.

 

[Wheresbuddy]

Complacency, culture and fitting in fresh faces: Every AFL club’s biggest off-season issue

Achilles heel that must be fixed; culture shift starts now: Every club’s biggest off-season issue

www.foxsports.com.au

I think our problems either end of the field pale in comparison to what happens in the middle. We too often get over powered at the start of games. Our midfield is recognised as being susceptible to high pressure and opposition teams know this, thus even sides like Richmond and North can worry us.

I place the responsibility in rectifying this on Mills' shoulders. AA midfielder, club captain and should be primed for a massive 2025 after this year. Hopefully he gets a bit of help from Adams and Sheldrick.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

What frustrates me is all these so called experts write their articles like we can just go out and get any player we want without taking into account the fact that virtually no one wants to move to Sydney. And when we do, the sky is falling because how did we get another one? Yet no questions ever get asked how teams like Geelong, Carlton, pies ect constantly add to their list year after year and never have a cap to manage.

While not equating to success yet Port has been one of the most active clubs in trading for the last decade.

Adelaide/WA clubs are getting the go home factor.

Its a incredible disadvantage both NSW clubs face nothing can be done about it either untill the overflow of the academy begins to dilute the pool enough (many decades to go)

 

[GoTheSwannies]

Posted in the draft thread but seemed a bit relevant here considering the above:

Just looking at our first rounders for the last twenty years (drafts where we had a pick only). I guess we'd have to agree onwhat we consider a hit or miss. Is it picking a good player or is them staying at your club the measure of success? I'm not including Academy picks for better or worse in this.

• 2006:
  
  • Pick 15: Dylan O'Keefe. Miss
• 2007:
  
  • Pick 11: Daniel Veszpremi - 23 games - Miss
• 2008:
  
  • Pick 12: Lewis Johnston - 10 games - Miss
• 2009:
  
  • Pick 6: Gary Rohan 204 games (106 for us) Hit
  • Pick 14 Lewis Jetta 216 games (127 for us) Hit
• 2010:
  
  • Pick 21 Jed Lamb - 66 Games (12 for us) Miss
• 2012
  
  • Pick 22: Dean Towers 57 Games Miss I guess but not a lot was going on in that section of this draft.
• 2013
  
  • Pick 15: Zac Jones - 150 games (90 for us) Hit
• 2016
  
  • Pick 11: Ollie Florent - 168 games and counting. Hit
  • Pick 21: Will Hayward - 163 games and counting. Hit
• 2017
  
  • Pick 14: Matthew Ling - O games. Miss
• 2019
  
  • Pick 5 Dylan Stephens - 59 Games (43 for us) Miss
• 2020
  
  • Pick 4: Logan McDonald - 68 Games - Jury out
• 2021
  
  • Pick 19: Angus Sheldrick - 9 Games - Jury out
• 2022
  
  • Pick 20: Jacob Konstanty - 0 Games - Miss
• 2023
  
  • Pick 16: Will Green - 0 Games - Jury out.

If you look through the rankings on Draftguru, there are very few of our first round picks that are judged to have been much poorer than those around them. Another thing to consider is that most of our live first rounders have been at the tail end of the first round. Five of them in the last twenty years were outside what would be the first round in a pure draft. Of our live picks inside the top ten, we've had a bad miss (Stephens), a 200 gamer, and McDonald, who looks to be on track for 150 games or more.

I guess my question is, what does a good record with these picks over this period look like? Would definitely have been great to have nailed 2019, but who's doing a great deal better when they're starting their draft in the late teens / early 20s?

Given we're just about always starting outside of the top 10, I don't think the amount of misses are unjustified.

We did well in 2009 with decent picks (9 & 14) and did well in 2016 with 11 & 21.

2020 & 2021 I call a pass at this stage even though the jury is still out.

Stephens at pick 5 was the biggest catastrophe imo. Was such a wasted pick.

I think there are a lot of teams that have blown much better draft hands than us.

 

[Millky95]

Might be a destination club if we don't choke flags

 

[caesar88]

 

[Bloods86]

I'd like Dillon to come out and say there's a club just north of the border that's brought the AFL into disrepute at the end of the season and shown conduct unbecoming of a professional football club.

Problem is we wouldn't know which NSW club he's talking about.

 

[Voula]

Article about the Paul Roos interview posted above. Interesting comments about Demetriou and umpiring.

Swans great levels startling claim against ex-AFL boss over infamous sledge

The Swans premiership coach has opened up on the controversy. Details here.

au.sports.yahoo.com

 

[Mister B]

Roosy telling us what we already knew / know. CEO slagging us off. Chairman vowing revenge after we prevented their draft tampering. A trade ban for doing nothing wrong. Two of the most one sided GF free kick counts in the games history in 2012 and 2016. Weekly, we see our mids held but never rewarded while we get pinged the minute we breathe on an opponent, ditto with our forwards.

Any other club would have spoken up long ago. We just accept it. Weak.

 

[GoTheSwannies]

Roosy telling us what we already knew / know. CEO slagging us off. Chairman vowing revenge after we prevented their draft tampering. A trade ban for doing nothing wrong. Two of the most one sided GF free kick counts in the games history in 2012 and 2016. Weekly, we see our mids held but never rewarded while we get pinged the minute we breathe on an opponent, ditto with our forwards.

Any other club would have spoken up long ago. We just accept it. Weak.

A club with no backbone atm.

 

[anotherletdown]

Because Paps knows the answer is to turn over the list to get rid of an abundance downhill skiers who are all his mates.

Harsh!








But fair

 

[anotherletdown]

While not equating to success yet Port has been one of the most active clubs in trading for the last decade.

Adelaide/WA clubs are getting the go home factor.

Its a incredible disadvantage both NSW clubs face nothing can be done about it either untill the overflow of the academy begins to dilute the pool enough (many decades to go)

Aggressive passing on academy players.

If we have a live pick within a few spots we should pass a few times, helps drive down false bids in future and gives the clubs a bit of retention uncertainty of their own to deal with.

Only accept bids when they are warranted

 

[JackHiscoxWasFast]

A club with no backbone atm.

Paul Keating would say we are a shiver looking for a spine to run up.

 

[bedford]

Roosy telling us what we already knew / know. CEO slagging us off. Chairman vowing revenge after we prevented their draft tampering. A trade ban for doing nothing wrong. Two of the most one sided GF free kick counts in the games history in 2012 and 2016. Weekly, we see our mids held but never rewarded while we get pinged the minute we breathe on an opponent, ditto with our forwards.

Any other club would have spoken up long ago. We just accept it. Weak.

Harley wants the top job , he's not going to complain

 

[GoTheSwannies]

Harley wants the top job , he's not going to complain

That's where we should be smart enough to realise that there's a significant conflict if interest that's impacting his ability to work in the best interests of the club.

Every move he makes (or chooses not to make) has two objectives in mind 1. Maximise the membership / profits of the club 2. Don't rock the boat of the establishment.

Hes playing the long game and we're just a stepping stone along his journey. He's a snake and we need to get rid of him.

 

[RedBloodBlackSwan]

That's where we should be smart enough to realise that there's a significant conflict if interest that's impacting his ability to work in the best interests of the club.

Every move he makes (or chooses not to make) has two objectives in mind 1. Maximise the membership / profits of the club 2. Don't rock the boat of the establishment.

Hes playing the long game and we're just a stepping stone along his journey. He's a snake and we need to get rid of him.

I think there is definitely some scope for conflict of interest, though I would also note:

1. His resume for the top job is MUCH stronger if he can achieve premiership success, and more so if he can achieve multiple premierships. People want to hire winners, not losers.
2. He won’t be selected for the top job if others don’t respect him - if he doesn’t stick up for the club when he clearly should, he will be regarded as a lightweight.
3. His best bet of achieving outcomes for the swans is doing it in such a way that he doesn’t rock the establishment. While sticking it to the man can feel good, if they always ultimately overpower you (which they do in Sydney’s case), you will rarely win - unless you can turn other stakeholders against them as well (but that is very rare - eg. getting neutral fans / clubs to say enough is enough).

 

[Jewelsbon]

In my opinion it would be wonderful if Harley or someone like him got the top job. They really need someone who knows the unique problems the northern clubs face, running the show.

 

[Bloods86]

I think there is definitely some scope for conflict of interest, though I would also note:

1. His resume for the top job is MUCH stronger if he can achieve premiership success, and more so if he can achieve multiple premierships. People want to hire winners, not losers.
2. He won’t be selected for the top job if others don’t respect him - if he doesn’t stick up for the club when he clearly should, he will be regarded as a lightweight.
3. His best bet of achieving outcomes for the swans is doing it in such a way that he doesn’t rock the establishment. While sticking it to the man can feel good, if they always ultimately overpower you (which they do in Sydney’s case), you will rarely win - unless you can turn other stakeholders against them as well (but that is very rare - eg. getting neutral fans / clubs to say enough is enough).

Yeah, I think the removal of COLA and the trade ban, and more recently the academy drafting changes, have shown the relative powerlessness of the northern clubs and the lack of any support from even WA/SA clubs that are faced with the go home factor more than Vic clubs.

If Harley or Pridham react too strongly, AFL House will find a way to get even. So I don't really know what they'd do differently in any case, even if Harley wants the top job.

I'd much rather our leaders turn the blowtorch internally, because the AFL didn't make us get flogged in recent grand finals. That was us. Yes we have a bigger hill to climb than many, but it's up to us to make the most of it when we are there.

 

[caesar88]

Yeah, I think the removal of COLA and the trade ban, and more recently the academy drafting changes, have shown the relative powerlessness of the northern clubs and the lack of any support from even WA/SA clubs that are faced with the go home factor more than Vic clubs.

If Harley or Pridham react too strongly, AFL House will find a way to get even. So I don't really know what they'd do differently in any case, even if Harley wants the top job.

I'd much rather our leaders turn the blowtorch internally, because the AFL didn't make us get flogged in recent grand finals. That was us. Yes we have a bigger hill to climb, but it's up to us to make the most of it when we are there.

The SA/WA clubs can't challenge the Victorians on their advantages because they enjoy those same advantages.

 

[Bloods86]

The SA/WA clubs can't challenge the Victorians on their advantages because they enjoy those same advantages.

I think they occupy a middle ground on the go home factor, but at the same time opposed COLA because it's cheaper to live in WA, and SA particularly, and they do get to coax some home grown players back to offset the Victorians leaving - so F the academies.

 

[kickthething]

I think there is definitely some scope for conflict of interest, though I would also note:

1. His resume for the top job is MUCH stronger if he can achieve premiership success, and more so if he can achieve multiple premierships. People want to hire winners, not losers.
2. He won’t be selected for the top job if others don’t respect him - if he doesn’t stick up for the club when he clearly should, he will be regarded as a lightweight.
3. His best bet of achieving outcomes for the swans is doing it in such a way that he doesn’t rock the establishment. While sticking it to the man can feel good, if they always ultimately overpower you (which they do in Sydney’s case), you will rarely win - unless you can turn other stakeholders against them as well (but that is very rare - eg. getting neutral fans / clubs to say enough is enough).

The smartest man in the room is usually the one with all the questions.

Harley could ask some more questions.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

I think they occupy a middle ground on the go home factor, but at the same time opposed COLA because it's cheaper to live in WA, and SA particularly, and they do get to coax some home grown players back to offset the Victorians leaving - so F the academies.

Adelaide more recently have re-acquired ridiculous talent in their prime for peanuts sorely due to the go home factor so while in the middle 2010's they lost a huge amount of talent its starting to even out for them.

It was a free for all buffet for WA clubs this trade period.

Again thanks to the McGuire media in the past Academies are viewed as some sort of massive rort while he cleverly hid F/S in the background.

Again nothing in the media supporting us.

 

[SGBeach]

I think there is definitely some scope for conflict of interest, though I would also note:

1. His resume for the top job is MUCH stronger if he can achieve premiership success, and more so if he can achieve multiple premierships. People want to hire winners, not losers.
2. He won’t be selected for the top job if others don’t respect him - if he doesn’t stick up for the club when he clearly should, he will be regarded as a lightweight.
3. His best bet of achieving outcomes for the swans is doing it in such a way that he doesn’t rock the establishment. While sticking it to the man can feel good, if they always ultimately overpower you (which they do in Sydney’s case), you will rarely win - unless you can turn other stakeholders against them as well (but that is very rare - eg. getting neutral fans / clubs to say enough is enough).

1. Laura Kane came from North Melbourne. She played her role while north became a laughing stock and a charity case. Another guy who worked at North during this time has been promoted to work at AFL house.
The AFL want puppets, not winners / losers
2. Harley is clearly respected. Prob one of the most respected people in the industry. No idea what you're on about?
3. Absolutely agree with Jewelsbon.. Harley as the top dog in the AFL would be awesome for the Swans (and the other northern clubs)

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

1. Laura Kane came from North Melbourne. She played her role while north became a laughing stock and a charity case. Another guy who worked at North during this time has been promoted to work at AFL house.
The AFL want puppets, not winners / losers
2. Harley is clearly respected. Prob one of the most respected people in the industry. No idea what you're on about?
3. Absolutely agree with Jewelsbon.. Harley as the top dog in the AFL would be awesome for the Swans (and the other northern clubs)

3. i think he is still at the mercy of the bigger VIC clubs their presidents have more pull than the CEO i wouldnt expect any favorable treatment should he get the position.

 

[SGBeach]

3. i think he is still at the mercy of the bigger VIC clubs their presidents have more pull than the CEO i wouldnt expect any favorable treatment should he get the position.

who would you prefer as the next CEO of the AFL.. Someone who has experienced life/work in the (very important) northern markets,, or someone who has never left Victoria (and gets excited when the big Vic clubs are doing well)?

Ive heard numerous people from the four northern clubs say over the last few years.. "you dont understand until you work there"
I for one, would be delighted to have Harley or the fella from Brizzy get the top job at AFL house