Media Swans Talk in the Media 2024

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[Ticky009]

Which 2024 AFL finalist will slide furthest down the ladder in 2025?

The teams being tipped to fall.

www.sen.com.au

 

[bedford]

Former player Luke Parker was on SEN this morning saying he started to realise he wasn't probably in our plans going forward .

 

[Kiama Chris]

Former player Luke Parker was on SEN this morning saying he started to realise he wasn't probably in our plans going forward .

Probably around his 2023 exit interview.

 

[caesar88]

I've just moved a handful of posts from the last few pages on the article re the allegations against Mark Heaney, purely to keep the discourse in here about the article itself, not the broader issues of systemic and institutional abuse.

However it is an extremely important and worthwhile issue to discuss, and I do sympathise with those who have been victims of it and have the courage to share their experiences. Feel free to continue the conversation in the Society, Religion & Politics thread: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/society-religion-politics-thread.1186141/unread

And I also feel compelled to remind everyone that the Mental Health thread is here for honesty & support. Please read the OP in that thread if you haven't already: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/mental-health-thread.1388510/

 

[bedford]

I've just moved a handful of posts from the last few pages on the article re the allegations against Mark Heaney, purely to keep the discourse in here about the article itself, not the broader issues of systemic and institutional abuse.

However it is an extremely important and worthwhile issue to discuss, and I do sympathise with those who have been victims of it and have the courage to share their experiences. Feel free to continue the conversation in the Society, Religion & Politics thread: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/society-religion-politics-thread.1186141/unread

And I also feel compelled to remind everyone that the Mental Health thread is here for honesty & support. Please read the OP in that thread if you haven't already: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/mental-health-thread.1388510/

Great work

 

[Dubai Quacker]

Sorry ESPN, but as good as Buddy was - I will never accept that he's a greater player than Adam Goodes.

Recency bias.

The 25 best AFL players since 2000

Who are the best AFL players to have pulled on the boots since 2000? To mark 25 years since the turn of the century, ESPN has attempted rank the 25 best players of the last 25 years.

www.espn.com.au

 

[tombomb]

Sorry ESPN, but as good as Buddy was - I will never accept that he's a greater player than Adam Goodes.

Recency bias.

The 25 best AFL players since 2000

Who are the best AFL players to have pulled on the boots since 2000? To mark 25 years since the turn of the century, ESPN has attempted rank the 25 best players of the last 25 years.

www.espn.com.au

Each to their own, but that seems to me like Sydney bias.

Franklin is one of the best players of all time. As good as Adam was, he isn't in that debate.

 

[BloodySwan]

Each to their own, but that seems to me like Sydney bias.

Franklin is one of the best players of all time. As good as Adam was, he isn't in that debate.

I have more problems with blokes like Bont being this high up than I do Goodes or Buddy being number 1.

Don't get me wrong, absolutely brilliant player - however I feel for long periods of his career get carried by the media rather than his performances.

Bont is good, but it reminds me of how the media was with Brown for the longest time. Brilliant player, but retired few years and we forget about him.

 

[zyzzbruh]

Each to their own, but that seems to me like Sydney bias.

Franklin is one of the best players of all time. As good as Adam was, he isn't in that debate.

In terms of pure football i am yet to see a more complete player than Adam Goodes. There's lots of nostalgia bias re players like Matthews and Carey, but imo Goodes is best footballer to ever grace the field - strong, athletic, tall, quick, imposing, efficient, multi positional, extremely strong in the air and on the deck, unwavering consistency and intent, 2 brownlows, the guy was like a gazelle on steroids... Franklin was a specialised player, so he's out of the conversation for me - he also had a couple of glaring weaknesses.

 

[Callipygian]

I am coming fresh to the article about Mark Heaney and the sexual abuse allegations. I am going to respond here but feel free to move if not appropriate.

Reading the ABC article it appears that AFLNSW/ACT (Harley) had no prior knowledge of his activities in Victoria, nor did the Swans. The kid's family reported his contact straight away to the police who caught him. Harley stood him down immediately, ending contact with the Swans. There may be more that comes out but at this stage it doesn't appear that the club, or Harley in his previous role, have done anything to atone for other than miss a predator.
No doubt it will all come out in court.
We can only hope that this kid, and any others, find peace.

Harley did not start at the Swans until October 2014: https://www.sydneyswans.com.au/news/292809/harley-to-succeed-ireland.

Let's wait for the court heh , we have done nothing wrong

I agree with the first part of your post but the second half of your post seems to disregard your own advice. Who are we to say we did nothing wrong at this point? Let's see what evidence comes to light.

And also to review how coaches and their charges interact with each other to minimise - ideally eliminate - opportunities for grooming and abuse. Like trying to ensure coaches are never alone with the youngsters.

I think it's a big ask to eliminate opportunities for grooming and abuse. And even if you ensured coaches are never alone with youngsters the club could still be in breach of a duty of care if it was one player abusing another player (especially if they weren't supervising when they should).

 

[caesar88]

Sorry ESPN, but as good as Buddy was - I will never accept that he's a greater player than Adam Goodes.

Recency bias.

The 25 best AFL players since 2000

Who are the best AFL players to have pulled on the boots since 2000? To mark 25 years since the turn of the century, ESPN has attempted rank the 25 best players of the last 25 years.

www.espn.com.au

Potentially unpopular opinion but I simply don't think it is possible for any list like this to have any validity, because it's entirely subjective.

Goodes could do a lot of things that Buddy couldn't do. Buddy could do a lot of things that Goodes couldn't do. Buddy kicked goals, people like goals, Buddy wins.

And yet neither could do what, say, Nick Smith could do. But people don't like defending, so Smith loses.

I think this is why I long for the day when individual awards are done away with in footy, and the focus shifts away from the individuals and towards the team aspect. I think this would shift the perspective away from 'who looks the most exciting', and towards 'who is making their team the best.' It is a team sport, after all.

 

[bedford]

In terms of pure football i am yet to see a more complete player than Adam Goodes. There's lots of nostalgia bias re players like Matthews and Carey, but imo Goodes is best footballer to ever grace the field - strong, athletic, tall, quick, imposing, efficient, multi positional, extremely strong in the air and on the deck, unwavering consistency and intent, 2 brownlows, the guy was like a gazelle on steroids... Franklin was a specialised player, so he's out of the conversation for me - he also had a couple of glaring weaknesses.

Ever see Gary Ablett snr

 

[Kiama Chris]

I am coming fresh to the article about Mark Heaney and the sexual abuse allegations. I am going to respond here but feel free to move if not appropriate.




Harley did not start at the Swans until October 2014: https://www.sydneyswans.com.au/news/292809/harley-to-succeed-ireland.



I agree with the first part of your post but the second half of your post seems to disregard your own advice. Who are we to say we did nothing wrong at this point? Let's see what evidence comes to light.



I think it's a big ask to eliminate opportunities for grooming and abuse. And even if you ensured coaches are never alone with youngsters the club could still be in breach of a duty of care if it was one player abusing another player (especially if they weren't supervising when they should).

Just responding to the Harley part. He was the boss of AFLNSW/ACT who was Heaney's primary employer at Coffs during the period in question. Not sure who the relevant Swans person was. Chris Smith perhaps, or his predecessor?

 

[Superstar swan]

In terms of pure football i am yet to see a more complete player than Adam Goodes. There's lots of nostalgia bias re players like Matthews and Carey, but imo Goodes is best footballer to ever grace the field - strong, athletic, tall, quick, imposing, efficient, multi positional, extremely strong in the air and on the deck, unwavering consistency and intent, 2 brownlows, the guy was like a gazelle on steroids... Franklin was a specialised player, so he's out of the conversation for me - he also had a couple of glaring weaknesses.

Pavlich is one of the most complete players we have ever seen. He could play just about any position and had little to no weaknesses.

For me it’s out of buddy and GAJ who are the greatest players in history. Splitting hairs as to what order you have them in

 

[Dubai Quacker]

Potentially unpopular opinion but I simply don't think it is possible for any list like this to have any validity, because it's entirely subjective.

Goodes could do a lot of things that Buddy couldn't do. Buddy could do a lot of things that Goodes couldn't do. Buddy kicked goals, people like goals, Buddy wins.

And yet neither could do what, say, Nick Smith could do. But people don't like defending, so Smith loses.

I think this is why I long for the day when individual awards are done away with in footy, and the focus shifts away from the individuals and towards the team aspect. I think this would shift the perspective away from 'who looks the most exciting', and towards 'who is making their team the best.' It is a team sport, after all.

Who made their team the best?

Adam Goodes was a dual premiership player. I think there's little doubt that through the Sydney lens, Goodes made his team the best.

Of course Buddy is also a dual premiership player. But I'd argue he played in a champion side at Hawthorn. He could never lift Sydney to the ultimate prize. Goodes did.

 

[zyzzbruh]

Potentially unpopular opinion but I simply don't think it is possible for any list like this to have any validity, because it's entirely subjective.

Goodes could do a lot of things that Buddy couldn't do. Buddy could do a lot of things that Goodes couldn't do. Buddy kicked goals, people like goals, Buddy wins.

And yet neither could do what, say, Nick Smith could do. But people don't like defending, so Smith loses.

I think this is why I long for the day when individual awards are done away with in footy, and the focus shifts away from the individuals and towards the team aspect. I think this would shift the perspective away from 'who looks the most exciting', and towards 'who is making their team the best.' It is a team sport, after all.

I disagree re the above, Goodes could literally do everything. I would say the only thing stopping Goodes from doing the things Buddy could do was not playing him as a full time forward - despite that we still saw glimpses of it when he did play forward. Physically and athletically he had buddy covered, and he was a miles better mark than buddy. If Goodes was played as a full time forward form start to finish then i think he would've been in the all time great power forward conversation.

And the only thing stopping him from having played as a full time forward is the fact he was also the best mid in the comp, as well as the best ruckman in the comp.

 

[Superstar swan]

I think we need some perspective when it comes to buddy. He kicked over 1000 goals in an era when his contemporaries (Also greats) maxed out in the 700s. The chasm between him and next best is incomprehensible .

That’s not to mention what his tally would have looked like if he sorted his kicking in his early years

 

[Kiama Chris]

I struggle massively with these comparisons. Each an every one is a champion and for me it's only when you get to a name where you say "nah, he doesn't belong in that company" that you can really draw a line with any kind of confidence.
Example Skilton was amazing but how would he go against today's defenders? We can't know and ultimately who cares? Same with Carey vs GAS vs Hart vs Franklin. Every one a champ. Who cares if one was 0.5% better than another?

 

[caesar88]

Who made their team the best?

Adam Goodes was a dual premiership player. I think there's little doubt that through the Sydney lens, Goodes made his team the best.

Of course Buddy is also a dual premiership player. But I'd argue he played in a champion side at Hawthorn. He could never lift Sydney to the ultimate prize. Goodes did.

I'd argue Goodes played in our best ever team.

 

[bedford]

Pavlich is one of the most complete players we have ever seen. He could play just about any position and had little to no weaknesses.

For me it’s out of buddy and GAJ who are the greatest players in history. Splitting hairs as to what order you have them in

Ever see GA snr

 

[Superstar swan]

Ever see GA snr

He’s top 5 all time for me.

But he played at a time that dunstall and Lockett were kicking monster bags.

Buddy was such an outlier as for scoring power in his own era. That’s the difference for me

 

[bedford]

He’s top 5 all time for me.

But he played at a time that dunstall and Lockett were kicking monster bags.

Buddy was such an outlier as for scoring power in his own era. That’s the difference for me

What's he got to do with Plugger and Dunstall ? . I was at the G one day and he kicked 14 from the wing , there is no one close to him

 

[Superstar swan]

What's he got to do with Plugger and Dunstall ? . I was at the G one day and he kicked 14 from the wing , there is no one close to him

Every man and his dog kicked 14 in the 80s and 90s.


No one got within a whisker of buddy

 

[bedford]

Every man and his dog kicked 14 in the 80s and 90s.


No one got within a whisker of buddy

No dogs played , he kicked them off the wing and even half back , nothing to do with Buddy, anyhow off topic

 

[Dubai Quacker]

I'd argue Goodes played in our best ever team.

You might be right. For he did play with LRT.

But anyone who claims Buddy is better than Goodes ..... I'll see you at the Bear & Bandicoot. High noon.