Team Mgmt. Talk about the makeup of our list - midfield balance, height profile, endurance runners

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Westlo said:
Imagine their disappointment when we ignore them and bomb on top of Mosquito instead.
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Mozzie is taller than Walla so I think we’d still put Walla in the goal square 😛
 
Old Campaigner said:
Imagine the hype if they grow 10-15cm more than the old man
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This is October 2019, they would’ve been 15:
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Should be another growth spurt still to come you’d think?
 
Lore said:
This is October 2019, they would’ve been 15:
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Should be another growth spurt still to come you’d think?
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Senior the big bodied mid.

Honestly, can they hurry up. Mozzie too. Bruno wants to see more indigenous smalls buzzing around in red and black. Great players to watch and we seem to have lost the connection in recent years.
 
Draper 205cm
Bryan 203cm
Reid 202cm
Phillips 201cm
Cox 199cm
Stewart 199cm
Eyre 197cm
Hooker 197cm
McBride 197cm
Jones 196cm
Brand 195cm
Ridley 195cm
Zerk-Thatcher 195cm

13 players at 195+. Most in the league comfortably I’d say.

Well, that’s the heights on the club website. Player heights vary quite a bit by source.
 
Bunk Moreland said:
Draper 205cm
Bryan 203cm
Reid 202cm
Phillips 201cm
Cox 199cm
Stewart 199cm
Eyre 197cm
Hooker 197cm
McBride 197cm
Jones 196cm
Brand 195cm
Ridley 195cm
Zerk-Thatcher 195cm

13 players at 195+. Most in the league comfortably I’d say.

Well, that’s the heights on the club website. Player heights vary quite a bit by source.
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This is using footywire data, but it looks like footywire is mostly up to date (at least as far as putting draftees on lists, dunno about contracts)

Lore said:
Player Height by Club
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Lore said:
This is using footywire data, but it looks like footywire is mostly up to date (at least as far as putting draftees on lists, dunno about contracts)
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Interesting. Dunno what the official heights are. Draper ranges from 202 to 206 depending on source. Stewart 195 - 199. Jones 193 - 196. Ridley 192 - 195. Hurley 192 - 195. BZT 194 - 197.

Plus some of the younger blokes are still growing.
 
Bunk Moreland said:
Interesting. Dunno what the official heights are. Draper ranges from 202 to 206 depending on source. Stewart 195 - 199. Jones 193 - 196. Ridley 192 - 195. Hurley 192 - 195. BZT 194 - 197.

Plus some of the younger blokes are still growing.
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I either use footywire for automated spreadsheets (like the above, because they scrape data off the website and I don't have to do any maintenance on it), or the club website/statspro for the Essendon team list one because I think that's going to be more accurate, ultimately. The club website is at least updated more often, usually photo day I think, although there is some incentive to stretch the tape measure I suppose.
 
eDPS said:
They good thing with some of these talls though is that some can also play small or even on a wing. Cox I think is very likely to play on a wing in the VFL next year.
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There’s a lot of piece of mind in that for me, you get your point of difference players up the top of the draft and all 3 have that.
 
I don't think we've ever had so few players contracted beyond the next season before, certainly not recently.

There's literally 10 players that were on our list in 2020 who are currently contracted for 2022:
Shiel
Ridley
McGrath
Langford
Heppell
Walla
Hurley
Stewart
Francis

Maybe add Mozzie to that if they ever announce his contract extension. Five draftees and two/maybe three via trade (does anyone know what Hind's contract is?)

So 17 contracted and 24 players out of contract at the end of 2021 :eekv1:

Could very easily turn over a significant portion of the list next year depending on how the season goes...
 

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Lore said:
I don't think we've ever had so few players contracted beyond the next season before, certainly not recently.

There's literally 10 players that were on our list in 2020 who are currently contracted for 2022:
Shiel
Ridley
McGrath
Langford
Heppell
Walla
Hurley
Stewart
Francis

Maybe add Mozzie to that if they ever announce his contract extension. Five draftees and two/maybe three via trade (does anyone know what Hind's contract is?)

So 17 contracted and 24 players out of contract at the end of 2021 :eekv1:

Could very easily turn over a significant portion of the list next year depending on how the season goes...
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Any early calls on who's done at the end of next season? Figure Laverde's done if he doesn't play at least ten games next season. Also Hooker might retire if Brand, Reid, or BZT really come on earlier than we might expect (though in BZT's case it would be oh crap, he's finally good).
 
Megabattimus said:
Any early calls on who's done at the end of next season? Figure Laverde's done if he doesn't play at least ten games next season. Also Hooker might retire if Brand, Reid, or BZT really come on earlier than we might expect (though in BZT's case it would be oh crap, he's finally good).
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Ummmm idk exactly.

This is the list I'm working from:

Darcy Parish
Devon Smith
Zach Merrett
David Zaharakis
Jake Stringer
Cale Hooker
Mason Redman
Tom Cutler
Jayden Laverde
Brandon Zerk-Thatcher
Brayden Ham
Matt Guelfi
Andrew Phillips
Ned Cahill
Harrison Jones
Nick Bryan
Patrick Ambrose
Lachlan Johnson

Will Snelling
Martin Gleeson
Dylan Clarke
Ross McQuillan
Cian McBride
Tom Hird

There are a couple of guys there who are injury prone or haven't really come on after a number of years on the list, plus Merrett is an RFA and may just leave and we can't really do a lot to stop him. There was chatter about Smith not being happy at the end of the year either but I've no idea how true that is. His knees are shot now either way.

Zaka and Ambrose are/will be over 30 (still going strong as far as I can tell barring injuries, but who knows, some guys just hit a wall), Hooker will be 33 this time next year and looks like he's done, if he wasn't contracted he'd probably be retiring this year. Phillips depending on how our ruck stocks turn out, seemed to be on the verge of leaving and then didn't, he'll also be over 30.

Redman if he gets flogged by injuries again (I still think he's a good player but if we're being ruthless, others may go past him..). Laverde as you said, needs to find some consistency with his body. Cutler seems pointless if he doesn't find some form and play a reasonable number of games.

The ones that would be priority re-signings as far as I'm concerned are Merrett, Stringer, Parish and then daylight. There's definitely some untried kids that I'd expect to keep too (Bryan, Jones), but they're not top priority.

Also obviously depends on whether we have or can get replacements as well.
 
Lore said:
Ummmm idk exactly.

This is the list I'm working from:

Darcy Parish
Devon Smith
Zach Merrett
David Zaharakis
Jake Stringer
Cale Hooker
Mason Redman
Tom Cutler
Jayden Laverde
Brandon Zerk-Thatcher
Brayden Ham
Matt Guelfi
Andrew Phillips
Ned Cahill
Harrison Jones
Nick Bryan
Patrick Ambrose
Lachlan Johnson

Will Snelling
Martin Gleeson
Dylan Clarke
Ross McQuillan
Cian McBride
Tom Hird

There are a couple of guys there who are injury prone or haven't really come on after a number of years on the list, plus Merrett is an RFA and may just leave and we can't really do a lot to stop him. There was chatter about Smith not being happy at the end of the year either but I've no idea how true that is. His knees are shot now either way.

Zaka and Ambrose are/will be over 30 (still going strong as far as I can tell barring injuries, but who knows, some guys just hit a wall), Hooker will be 33 this time next year and looks like he's done, if he wasn't contracted he'd probably be retiring this year. Phillips depending on how our ruck stocks turn out, seemed to be on the verge of leaving and then didn't, he'll also be over 30.

Redman if he gets flogged by injuries again (I still think he's a good player but if we're being ruthless, others may go past him..). Laverde as you said, needs to find some consistency with his body. Cutler seems pointless if he doesn't find some form and play a reasonable number of games.

The ones that would be priority re-signings as far as I'm concerned are Merrett, Stringer, Parish and then daylight. There's definitely some untried kids that I'd expect to keep too (Bryan, Jones), but they're not top priority.

Also obviously depends on whether we have or can get replacements as well.
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Definitely agree with your re-signing priorities. After them I'd probably re-sign:

  • Laverde (god I hope his 2021 is good and injury free, I want him to make it so bad)
  • BZT (fingers crossed he can bulk up and give Brand and Reid a benchmark to surpass)
  • Redman (assuming this year was injury ruined and he has a clean run next season)
  • Ham (depends where we play him next year and if he can bulk up a little. If he's a winger next year, he's probably a goner with Cox now in the Hangar)
  • Cahill (with Mozzie out hopefully he puts his best foot forward)
  • Jones (hope we put some games into him and see what he's got)
  • Bryan (same deal as Jones)
  • Ambrose (might be worth trying to keep at least two of the Hooker/Hurley/Ambrose trio, and he's younger than Hooker. Definitely done if his body lets him down again)
  • Snelling (unless he gets pushed out by a draftee or by a guy like Cahill)
The rest are left up to the winds of fate. Would love Johnson, Hird, and the Irish lads to get a run at it and maybe stick around. Oh, and I still hold out hope for Clarke. Though next year is a mid heavy draft, so we might need an extra list spot...
 
Bunk Moreland said:
With the height we’ve brought in you can basically already put a line through Hooker and Ambrose I think.
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Ambrose might get a year extension if his body is ok, we need someone to play at Full Back until Reid / Brand are ready, I don't think BZT is ever going to be able to handle the really big forwards and Hurley can't.

Hooker surely finishes this year, his body looks like it's pretty much done at AFL level.
 
Lore said:
Ummmm idk exactly.

This is the list I'm working from:

Darcy Parish
Devon Smith
Zach Merrett
David Zaharakis
Jake Stringer
Cale Hooker
Mason Redman
Tom Cutler
Jayden Laverde
Brandon Zerk-Thatcher
Brayden Ham
Matt Guelfi
Andrew Phillips
Ned Cahill
Harrison Jones
Nick Bryan
Patrick Ambrose
Lachlan Johnson

Will Snelling
Martin Gleeson
Dylan Clarke
Ross McQuillan
Cian McBride
Tom Hird

There are a couple of guys there who are injury prone or haven't really come on after a number of years on the list, plus Merrett is an RFA and may just leave and we can't really do a lot to stop him. There was chatter about Smith not being happy at the end of the year either but I've no idea how true that is. His knees are shot now either way.

Zaka and Ambrose are/will be over 30 (still going strong as far as I can tell barring injuries, but who knows, some guys just hit a wall), Hooker will be 33 this time next year and looks like he's done, if he wasn't contracted he'd probably be retiring this year. Phillips depending on how our ruck stocks turn out, seemed to be on the verge of leaving and then didn't, he'll also be over 30.

Redman if he gets flogged by injuries again (I still think he's a good player but if we're being ruthless, others may go past him..). Laverde as you said, needs to find some consistency with his body. Cutler seems pointless if he doesn't find some form and play a reasonable number of games.

The ones that would be priority re-signings as far as I'm concerned are Merrett, Stringer, Parish and then daylight. There's definitely some untried kids that I'd expect to keep too (Bryan, Jones), but they're not top priority.

Also obviously depends on whether we have or can get replacements as well.
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For me, Zerrett, Parish, Stringer, Redmam, Jones and Bryan are must re-signs.

Everyone else is on notice, personally.
 
Lore said:
Ummmm idk exactly.

This is the list I'm working from:

Darcy Parish
Devon Smith
Zach Merrett
David Zaharakis
Jake Stringer
Cale Hooker
Mason Redman
Tom Cutler
Jayden Laverde
Brandon Zerk-Thatcher
Brayden Ham
Matt Guelfi
Andrew Phillips
Ned Cahill
Harrison Jones
Nick Bryan
Patrick Ambrose
Lachlan Johnson

Will Snelling
Martin Gleeson
Dylan Clarke
Ross McQuillan
Cian McBride
Tom Hird

There are a couple of guys there who are injury prone or haven't really come on after a number of years on the list, plus Merrett is an RFA and may just leave and we can't really do a lot to stop him. There was chatter about Smith not being happy at the end of the year either but I've no idea how true that is. His knees are shot now either way.

Zaka and Ambrose are/will be over 30 (still going strong as far as I can tell barring injuries, but who knows, some guys just hit a wall), Hooker will be 33 this time next year and looks like he's done, if he wasn't contracted he'd probably be retiring this year. Phillips depending on how our ruck stocks turn out, seemed to be on the verge of leaving and then didn't, he'll also be over 30.

Redman if he gets flogged by injuries again (I still think he's a good player but if we're being ruthless, others may go past him..). Laverde as you said, needs to find some consistency with his body. Cutler seems pointless if he doesn't find some form and play a reasonable number of games.

The ones that would be priority re-signings as far as I'm concerned are Merrett, Stringer, Parish and then daylight. There's definitely some untried kids that I'd expect to keep too (Bryan, Jones), but they're not top priority.

Also obviously depends on whether we have or can get replacements as well.
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From that list -

Parish, Smith, Merrett, Stringer, Redman and Jones are the only ones that I have 100% confidence in being here next year (assuming they want to be of course). Then I have varying levels of confidence for just about everyone on that list, with the most obvious cuts looking like Hooker/Zaka/Ambrose (possible retirements) and Cutler (show us something plz).
 
Where do people see parish making it? He's behind Shiel, Merrett, McGrath, and I expect caldwell to surpass him. Also Dunkley too if we pursue him.. he's a terrific lad but I just think he'd be some good trade bait. Not sure how realistic it is but we could possibly get a pick in the teens for him I reckon.

I think our most pressing need is a genuine wingman. Someone who can provide some dash, is a good runner and an elite kick. We don't have anyone really settled in for a wing position bar Langford, and he only plays there 50% of the time.
 
Tazdog said:
Where do people see parish making it? He's behind Shiel, Merrett, McGrath, and I expect caldwell to surpass him. Also Dunkley too if we pursue him.. he's a terrific lad but I just think he'd be some good trade bait. Not sure how realistic it is but we could possibly get a pick in the teens for him I reckon.

I think our most pressing need is a genuine wingman. Someone who can provide some dash, is a good runner and an elite kick. We don't have anyone really settled in for a wing position bar Langford, and he only plays there 50% of the time.
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Cox might be a winger long-term. Merrett could be playing there in 2021.

Parish could possibly be a high-half forward depending how we structure it, in the Richmond mould where they work up to the stoppages like we were using Snelling.
 
Anyone know how good those Davey kids look like they could be? Are we talking top 10 steal type stuff or rookie list just in case (with a lot of room in between those 2)?
 
Tazdog said:
Where do people see parish making it? He's behind Shiel, Merrett, McGrath, and I expect caldwell to surpass him. Also Dunkley too if we pursue him.. he's a terrific lad but I just think he'd be some good trade bait. Not sure how realistic it is but we could possibly get a pick in the teens for him I reckon.

I think our most pressing need is a genuine wingman. Someone who can provide some dash, is a good runner and an elite kick. We don't have anyone really settled in for a wing position bar Langford, and he only plays there 50% of the time.
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Rutten could use Parish the way Dimma uses Lambert
 
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