Team Mgmt. Talk about the makeup of our list - midfield balance, height profile, endurance runners

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Who we need to phase out within the next three years.

Darcy Parish- Let him go for a top 5 selection in nexts years draft as a free agent.

Kyle Langford- Decent winger/half forward but his body and consistency aren’t at the level it should be. He’s 26 but Martin and Perkins should overtake him.

Dylan Shiel- Has just turned 30 and still has good footy left. Once his contract finishes he should retire.

Will Snelling- A good pressure player who lacks drive with his kicking and the ability to hit the scoreboard. He’s 25 now and should become depth. As a forward it’s not good.

Jayden Laverde- He’s tough and a battler but with logjam of similar types in our defence he should be phased out. Average player.

James Stewart- Decent depth option who’s now 29. Can play forward and back but his body has limited his career.

Nick Hind- He’s now 28 and doesn’t have a defensive bone in his body. His pace and breakaway speed is great but his problems are very apparent.

Dyson Heppell- Was a great player but is now completely cooked. Body has let him down and his pace has been lost. Shouldn’t be anywhere near the team.

Jake Stringer- Great player when his on but his lack of defensive efforts and body let us down. Is a genuine game winner but his relatability is an issue.

Jake Kelly- Good shut down defender who lacks doing anything else better than what we already have. He’s 28 and shouldn’t be in the firsts.

Andrew Phillips- 31 now and he’s a decent depth option but he will retire soon.

Matt Guelfi- Versatile player who’s now up forward. Doesn’t really crumb and doesn’t hit the scoreboard enough. Average player
 
Do you reckon Scott can teach this list how to play football properly?

Because we seem so far from the top contenders. But surely we would infinitely better if we just worked harder and concentrated for whole games.
 

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Am I right in saying that we currently have 2 vacant list spots and 1 cat B?

Assuming Waterman and Ham are gone. That gives us 4 list spots.

The prospects of Menzie, Brand and McBride probably won't be finally determined until we know whether Jayden Davey and Munkara slide through the draft, enabling us to sign them as Cat Bs.

That will also then determine whether we ultimately de-list Brand or McBride, depending on what spot on the list can be used.

As I understand things we will have to de-list everyone unsigned, though I doubt we will risk Eyre, to free up list spots in the event we want to play around with picks swapping and/or match bids and commit to redrafting.

Is that roughly how it works?

We probably then hold a list spot or 2 for the SSP?
 
BrunoV said:
Am I right in saying that we currently have 2 vacant list spots and 1 cat B?

Assuming Waterman and Ham are gone. That gives us 4 list spots.

The prospects of Menzie, Brand and McBride probably won't be finally determined until we know whether Jayden Davey and Munkara slide through the draft, enabling us to sign them as Cat Bs.

That will also then determine whether we ultimately de-list Brand or McBride, depending on what spot on the list can be used.

As I understand things we will have to de-list everyone unsigned, though I doubt we will risk Eyre, to free up list spots in the event we want to play around with picks swapping and/or match bids and commit to redrafting.

Is that roughly how it works?

We probably then hold a list spot or 2 for the SSP?
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Currently 4 open with 5 yet to re-sign.

We're going to get McBride one more year if nobody takes him in the ND. Jayden Davey can't be Cat B as a father son.

And no, we can re-sign all 5 yet to get a contract if both parties agree
 
eth-dog said:
And no, we can re-sign all 5 yet to get a contract if both parties agree
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If you re-sign them then you have fewer picks to work with at the draft in terms of bid matching, which is what Bruno was asking about specifically. And we do have to have at least 3 open spots on the senior list on draft night, even if we use them to upgrade a rookie instead of taking a kid in the draft.
 
Lore said:
If you re-sign them then you have fewer picks to work with at the draft in terms of bid matching, which is what Bruno was asking about specifically. And we do have to have at least 3 open spots on the senior list on draft night, even if we use them to upgrade a rookie instead of taking a kid in the draft.
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We went in with 36 this year so that's a good sign.

We have 4 open senior list spots. Two more delistings and we have 4, 22 and all the points after those open.
 
I suspect we might delist one or a couple of Menzie/Eyre/Brand before the draft to open as many draft picks we can.

Remember, if we take 6 picks in, but only take 4 players (I.e our 4 late picks get eaten up with the 2x Daveys) we can re-draft the the two guys we delisted through the rookie draft as we would technically have two spot open.

It's the ol' delist and re rookie promise. We would just have to pick the 2 to delist that we don't expect to get picked ala Hugh Greenwood.
My guess is this is how we do it, and we delist Brand and Menzie, as I think clubs will be interested in Eyre.
 
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Even with the delistings still looks like HBF and FB is still overloaded - Brand and McBride may also be in danger if we decide to punt on rookies etc
Lack a true CHF so Weideman is going to get plenty of games for sure


30 Zerk-Thatcher, Brandon - FB/CHB
31 Reid, Zach - FB
38 Brand, Cody - FB
13 Cox, Nikolas - KPP ?CHB
17 Stewart, James - KPP depth

1 McGrath, Andrew - back pocket
29 Kelly, Jake - back pocket

14 Ridley, Jordan - defensive third tall
15 Laverde, Jayden - defensive third tall

19 Hind, Nick - HBF
21 Heppell, Dyson - HBF
28 Lord, Alastair - HBF
41 McBride, Cian R - HBF
42 D'Ambrosio, Massimo R - HBF

27 Redman, Mason - HBF / wing


3 Parish, Darcy - inside mid
8 Hobbs, Ben - inside mid
9 Shiel, Dylan - inside mid

6 Caldwell, Jye - inside mid / tagger

7 Merrett, Zachary - outside mid

22 Durham, Sam R - wing
37 Martin, Nicholas - wing


4 Langford, Kyle - half forward
11 Snelling, Will - half forward

16 Perkins, Archie- forward/mid hybrid
25 Stringer, Jake - forward/mid hybrid
39 Voss, Patrick R - forward/mid hybrid


23 Jones, Harrison - forward third tall
32 Eyre, Josh - forward third tall

35 Guelfi, Matt - forward pocket
40 Wanganeen, Tex - forward pocket
47 Menzie, Jye R 2 - forward pocket

20 Wright, Peter - FF
26 Baldwin, Kaine R - FF

2 Draper, Sam - ruck
24 Bryan, Nick - ruck
34 Phillips, Andrew - ruck

33 Ham, Brayden - delist
45 Waterman, Alec R - delist
 
eth-dog said:
We went in with 36 this year so that's a good sign.

We have 4 open senior list spots. Two more delistings and we have 4, 22 and all the points after those open.
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Do we actually know how many list spots there are in 2023?

The 2017-2022 CBA was:
38-40 Seniors + 4-6 A Rookies = 44 + 0-3 B Rookies

The COVID-adjusted version for 2021/22:
36-37 Seniors + 0-6 A Rookies + 0-2 B Rookies = 44

There's no 2023 CBA yet, I can't find info on any interim measures either? People seem to be assuming it's 36-38 + 4-6 + 0-3, but 🤷‍♀️
 
Lore said:
Do we actually know how many list spots there are in 2023?

The 2017-2022 CBA was:
38-40 Seniors + 4-6 A Rookies = 44 + 0-3 B Rookies

The COVID-adjusted version for 2021/22:
36-37 Seniors + 0-6 A Rookies + 0-2 B Rookies = 44

There's no 2023 CBA yet, I can't find info on any interim measures either? People seem to be assuming it's 36-38 + 4-6 + 0-3, but 🤷‍♀️
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Pre COVID: 38-40, 4-6 Cat A, 0-3 Cat B
2021-now: 36-38, 4-6 Cat A, 0-2 Cat B

Given there's been no announcement I'm guessing it's the same. Which is silly, should be back to pre COVID now.
 
eth-dog said:
Pre COVID: 38-40, 4-6 Cat A, 0-3 Cat B
2021-now: 36-38, 4-6 Cat A, 0-2 Cat B

Given there's been no announcement I'm guessing it's the same. Which is silly, should be back to pre COVID now.
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Okay so our list basically looks like this, although there are a few combinations you could dream up for 2023.

Format pinched from the Richmond/West Coast boards...

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Age analysis

Phillips- 31
Heppell- 30
Shiel- 30
Stewart- 29
Hind- 28
Stringer- 28
Kelly- 28
Merrett- 27
Laverde- 27
Langford- 26
Wright- 26
Parish- 25
Snelling- 25
Guelfi- 25
Redman- 25
Weideman- 25
Setterfield- 25

Draper- 24
McGrath- 24
Ridley- 24
Zerk-Thatcher- 24
Caldwell- 22
Jones- 22
McBridge- 22
Martin- 22
Cox- 21
Perkins- 21
Durham- 21
Bryan- 21
Reid- 21
Menzie- 20
Eyre- 20
Baldwin- 20
Hobbs- 19
Voss- 19
Massimo- 19
Wanganeen- 19
Lord- 19
 

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Thought I'd do a little exercise. We have 38 players on the list, so I thought I'd split them in half in terms of age and see where they are (note, once we make the full list, assuming everyone take is younger than them, Draper, Ridley and Caldwell will be in the older side).

Older:

FB: Andrew McGrath - Brandon Zerk-Thatcher - Jake Kelly
HB: Mason Redman - Jayden Laverde - Nick Hind
MF: Kyle Langford - Dylan Shiel - Dyson Heppell
HF: Jake Stringer - Sam Weideman - Matthew Guelfi
FF: Will Snelling - Peter Wright - James Stewart
OB: Andrew Phillips - Zachary Merrett - Darcy Parish
IC: Will Setterfield

Younger:

FB: Alastair Lord - Zachary Reid - Josh Eyre
HB: Jordan Ridley - Nik Cox - Massimo D'Ambrosio
MF: Sam Durham - Jye Caldwell - Nic Martin
HF: Patrick Voss - Harrison Jones - Tex Wanganeen
FF: Jye Menzie - Kaine Baldwin - Cian McBride
OB: Sam Draper - Ben Hobbs - Archie Perkins
IC: Nick Bryan

A little KPP heavy in the younger side but if we add Tsatas, Szybkowski/George/whoever, Davey x2 and Munkara then we have 3 talls at either end plus Bryan/McBride as rucks, and it balances the top side a bit more with their lack of tall defenders
 
Vindicater said:
Spells the end of Eyre I believe if Munkarra does get bid on.
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It's almost too late to delist anyone, but the other alternative is to trade pick 22 into next year since we won't have a list spot free to use it this time.
 
Lore said:
It's almost too late to delist anyone, but the other alternative is to trade pick 22 into next year since we won't have a list spot free to use it this time.
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Waiting until the last minute and until everyone knows you absolutely have to trade an asset is definitely the best way to get the best return.

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Lore said:
It's almost too late to delist anyone, but the other alternative is to trade pick 22 into next year since we won't have a list spot free to use it this time.
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That or simply use pick 22 for Alwyn JNR even if there is an early bid.
 
ant555 said:
That or simply use pick 22 for Alwyn JNR even if there is an early bid.
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If we have the points available to match without using 22, then not trading it out is effectively torching an early second round pick as an asset for nothing.

Much better to at least trade it into next year's draft than just having it eaten up and wasting all the later draft picks we have racked up for points this year.
 
Zach Package said:
Waiting until the last minute and until everyone knows you absolutely have to trade an asset is definitely the best way to get the best return.

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It's a gamble, but sometimes a player is left on the board that slides that is in high demand. Could be a good move. Have a future pick lined up beforehand as a backup - but listen to live offers on the night.
 
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