The Clayton Oliver Statistical Analysis Thread

[nameless]

Idiot throws an elbow, barely connects but gets a week and all the pressure is put on the young guy who went down.

What kind of a society are we raising our kids in where the victim of an outright assault on a football field is victimised for falling over.

The real victim here is Will Schofield for being a dirty thug. You can call divers 'cheats' all you want, in the cold light of day, the guy who throws an elbow is 1,000 times worse than somebody who throws themselves on the ground.

Oliver could fall on the ground 1,000 times and nobody will get hurt. Schofield throws that elbow 1,000 times and if the guy at the other end happened to lower his head, he could be very seriously injured. This week at Geelong was the Stop, Think match. What kind of message is all this sending, that throwing elbows is "tough", getting hit is "soft"?

I find all this talk of painting Oliver as the culprit as being one of the most backward, neanderthalic arguments I've ever heard. It's not the dark ages.

Schofield will forever be tarnished in my eyes.

Your profile pic is in a stark contrasted to your post

I also don't think Schofield "threw an elbow", he actually went to push Oliver away in the chest as there was a melee going on around them, plenty of it happening between all players involved, Schofield was careless and with his extra height knicked his chin.

Violence should be taken out of the game, which is why Fyfe, Parker, Selwood and Cotchin should have been banned.

 

[Ilkka Sinisalo]

Just on this, (and I know I'm biased) I actually find all the floggish bullshit he's posting to be entertaining. I've always been a fan of the villains and characters in the game (I actually like Hayden Ballantyne) and I think that level of shit-stirring is good for the spectacle.

Imagine you committed a minor infraction at work and a co-worker lied or exaggerated about the incident, resulting in a two week suspension, loss of thousands of dollars in wages and a lasting bad record.

Probably not so funny to be on that end.

 

[Snarls Barkley]

He should worry about that free throw he missed last century!

Im actually really disappointed that 'Clarry' hasn't posted about blowing a 3-1 lead.

 

[Sando22]

Oh, so now Schofield deliberately elbowed him in the jaw, despite the fact that he wasn't even looking at Oliver? This just gets funnier and funnier.

Tell me what he did then.

 

[Sando22]

I think the booing he'll cop from 8,000 people at the Gabba will scar him more to be honest.

Pull up, you don't get half that number to your games!

 

[Saint]

Imagine you committed a minor infraction at work and a co-worker lied or exaggerated about the incident, resulting in a two week suspension, loss of thousands of dollars in wages and a lasting bad record.

Probably not so funny to be on that end.

Imagine you turned up to a meeting about a potential contract and a person from a rival firm elbowed you in the face, but only made glancing contact? Even if that person didn't make contact but tried to knock you on your a--, in my company you'd have to report it to HR.

See, it's easy to write hypotheticals.

There needs to be more free kicks paid for the start of the next quarter, would sort out this hero business at the breaks.

 

[Saint]

You do realise Oliver threw an elbow first don't you Mother Teresa?

Anyone who throws elbows or fists on the field or in real life is an idiot. The only reason you do it is if you think you can't perform in the actual footballing side of things.

I've only seen the shorter incident, if Oliver threw an elbow to the jaw, how come he didn't get a week off? was it only because he dived? I genuinely want to know....

 

[Big Animal]

I thought he had staged it as well until i saw a slo mo that shows the ripple of the impact go through his chin. He also seemed legitimately pisssed at the impact and wanted to fight about it. Hes never been know to dive so i think its pretty harsh that this has tarnished his reputation. He got hit in a sweet spot and it stunned him

Sally wasn't know for laying down, but we know that sht tarnished her reputation too...

 

[Forward Press]

Anyone who throws elbows or fists on the field or in real life is an idiot. The only reason you do it is if you think you can't perform in the actual footballing side of things.

I've only seen the shorter incident, if Oliver threw an elbow to the jaw, how come he didn't get a week off? was it only because he dived? I genuinely want to know....

Parker threw an elbow out at Baguley - got off with a $1000 fine. The force involved in that one was far more substantial than Schofield's. Difference is Baguley stayed on his feet.

There is no doubt in my mind that Oliver's reaction directly contributed to the suspension.

 

[Jootube]

These hypotheticals are ****ing horrible. Context matters, they were playing the contact sport of football where push and shove is considered a normal occurance of the game.

Schofield accidentally clipped him high, and Oliver dived. Both deserve minor punishments ($1,000 fines).

 

[The Joker]

I would really hate to defened a pissweak act like this. You are doing well Dee fans, you really are...

 

[Matera92]

Anyone who throws elbows or fists on the field or in real life is an idiot. The only reason you do it is if you think you can't perform in the actual footballing side of things.

I've only seen the shorter incident, if Oliver threw an elbow to the jaw, how come he didn't get a week off? was it only because he dived? I genuinely want to know....

He threw an elbow at Shuey to begin the incident, Schoey was walking past and threw one back at his chest (wasn't even looking at Oliver directly) but because Oliver was already back peddling it slid up and perhaps grazed the underside of his chin. Oliver had a think on things then went down as if Tyson himself had hit him with a hard cross.

 

[Saint]

Parker threw an elbow out at Baguley - got off with a $1000 fine. The force involved in that one was far more substantial than Schofield's. Difference is Baguley stayed on his feet.

There is no doubt in my mind that Oliver's reaction directly contributed to the suspension.

It's not just force though.

The contribution to Schofield's suspension is 95% his own fault, maybe 5% Oliver's fault according to the rules of the MRP.

High contact: Schofields fault
Not in play: Schofields fault
Deliberate: Schofields fault
damage to victim: Maybe Oliver could have pretended he was tougher?

 

[Sando22]

They're used to piss weak after watching their team over the last decade.

Pissweak is blowing a lead at home with 7 minutes left in front of a crowd 99% full of your own fans against a side who hasn't beaten you for 12 years and is missing their captain/best midfielder.

 

[Saint]

He threw an elbow at Shuey to begin the incident, Schoey was walking past and threw one back at his chest (wasn't even looking at Oliver directly) but because Oliver was already back peddling it slid up and perhaps grazed the underside of his chin. Oliver had a think on things then went down as if Tyson himself had hit him with a hard cross.

So he threw an elbow in a crowd without looking and is surprised he got suspended?

Is this like when Lisa is just swinging her arms and if Bart gets in the way, it's his own fault?

Don't think he had time to think it through. Don't know if you've ever been hit on the chin, but it's a bit like a flick on the nuts, there's a pause as your body works out if it's going to be ok, or there's going to be pain. Might have hit him on a pimple, that can sting.

 

[Jootube]

Deliberate: Schofields fault

Would you personally class the hit as intentional or careless?

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

Pissweak is blowing a lead at home with 7 minutes left in front of a crowd 99% full of your own fans against a side who hasn't beaten you for 12 years and is missing their captain/best midfielder.

Do we congratulate the Demons for the revival?

Or should we direct our praise to the AFL for footing the bill for Roos, installing a CEO and basically saving your basket case of a club?

 

[Matera92]

So he threw an elbow in a crowd without looking and is surprised he got suspended?

Is this like when Lisa is just swinging her arms and if Bart gets in the way, it's his own fault?

Don't think he had time to think it through. Don't know if you've ever been hit on the chin, but it's a bit like a flick on the nuts, there's a pause as your body works out if it's going to be ok, or there's going to be pain. Might have hit him on a pimple, that can sting.

I boxed for nearly a decade, I know what a stinger on the jaw can feel like. His head doesn't move at all from the impact, there's no recoil, no flinch, there's a clear pause from him, then he falls back, there's no momentum from the blow to carry him back.

If he'd taken a stunner like people are suggesting, he would have crumpled forwards as the knees give out.

I've seen a hundred hits to the jaw that will drop a person, that wasn't one of them.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

Do we congratulate the Demons for the revival?

Neither. Apparently you piss and moan for days about an off the ball incident that could have been avoided if your player didn't have a brain snap.

 

[Sando22]

Do we congratulate the Demons for the revival?

Or should we direct our praise to the AFL for footing the bill for Roos, installing a CEO and basically saving your basket case of a club?

Ahhhh the age old 'AFL handouts' argument. A true go-to for any fans who don't know what they're talking about.
I suppose it's nice being one of two teams in your state as opposed to 10

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

Tell me what he did then.

My interpretation was that he was trying to punch Oliver in the shoulder (in the same way that Oliver punched Shuey(?) seconds earlier) and that his fist slides off Oliver's shoulder causing the elbow to continue through. Sure, he made contact, but I'm not convinced it was intentional. Surely he gets the benefit of the doubt? Careless? Yes. Intentional? No. If Parker can get his elbow out to 90 degrees, pointed directly at Baguley's chin and have that called careless, then so can Schofield's.
High impact? That one's a little harder to gauge, but I would go with low, maybe medium at worse, but again, if Parker can hit with what looks like considerably more force and have it graded as low impact, then Schofield should get the same.

I also don't think Oliver should be copping all the flak for diving. Sure, it didn't look good, but it might have been a sweet spot and he should get the benefit of the doubt. Can't defend him on his other actions since. I got a laugh out of his pic on Twitter, but he's making light of another player getting a suspension from what looked like accidental contact and did nothing to help him get off. His reply to Martyn was petulant at best.
He could have said that it got it him harder than it looked, but after watching the footage he doesn't think that he meant to get him with the elbow, helped him get it reduced to a fine or nothing and then moved on. I hope it doesn't follow him around for too long and that he doesn't repeat the actions of the last few days.

 

[Sprout]

Do we congratulate the Demons for the revival?

Or should we direct our praise to the AFL for footing the bill for Roos, installing a CEO and basically saving your basket case of a club?

They didn't foot the bill for Roos. After existing contracts were paid out there was just enough left over to pay for the first year of Roos' three year contract. The rest came out of the club's pocket.

Jackson is still at the club. All that is on public record is AD encouraging him to take the job. He was a club appointment and remains so.

Not that you care, but now you can't pretend you're uninformed

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

It's not just force though.

The contribution to Schofield's suspension is 95% his own fault, maybe 5% Oliver's fault according to the rules of the MRP.

High contact: Schofields fault
Not in play: Schofields fault
Deliberate: Schofields fault
damage to victim: Maybe Oliver could have pretended he was tougher?

I would say 5% Oliver's actions (the falling down relatively easily from an outward perspective, the follow up comments and by not helping him get it reduced at the MRP), 5% Schofield's (all he did was return serve to Oliver and in my opinion slip off the shoulder to cause elbow to jaw contact) and 90% MRP (based purely on the different grading between Parker's and Schofield's incidents).

 

[Bluelegs]

Imagine you committed a minor infraction at work and a co-worker lied or exaggerated about the incident, resulting in a two week suspension, loss of thousands of dollars in wages and a lasting bad record.

Probably not so funny to be on that end.

I dont know about you but if I elbowed someone at work out of frustration i would probably lose my job and face legal consequences. Regardless of how much of a dickhead the bloke i elbowed was being after the fact.

 

[former lurker]

So he threw an elbow in a crowd without looking and is surprised he got suspended?

Is this like when Lisa is just swinging her arms and if Bart gets in the way, it's his own fault?

Don't think he had time to think it through. Don't know if you've ever been hit on the chin, but it's a bit like a flick on the nuts, there's a pause as your body works out if it's going to be ok, or there's going to be pain. Might have hit him on a pimple, that can sting.

Are you actually serious ?