Peptides! The *Essendrug Dopers: come smell the bull****! -PART 2

[Mississippi]

The International Court of Arbitration (CAS) found the 34 players guilty because it was satisfied they took Thymosin Beta 4.

Essendon and Danks admitted the players took "Thymosin" (which was how the drug was referred to in Essendon documentation). But the club argued that the authorities couldn't actually prove it was the TB4 type. It was beyond dispute and proven that Danks bought the TB4 variety from shadowy characters. A paper trail confirmed that Danks had been dispensed TB4 from a pharmacy.

The drug, together with other cocktails were secretly administered 'over the road" behind the club doctor's back and without his knowledge. When Doc Reid found out he wrote a letter to the board setting out his serious concerns. But the board did nothing (the letter was allegedly lost in the ether) and Doc Reid never followed up with his medical concerns (despite the fact that he was the club doctor responsible for the players and the players were potentially at risk).

The club and Danks admitted that thymosin was being administered to the players "but yah can't prove it was TB4, so there !". It was conceded by Danks and the club that "thymosin" was being administered to the players to help in recovery of soft tissue injuries. But it was also accepted by the CAS and by all medical authorities that TB4 is the only thymosin variety that helps soft issue recovery.

So, aside from other evidence presented to the court, the court just connected the evidentiary dots.

But there were other relevant factors. Some players were found to contain TB4 from urine samples (but at low levels).
Many of so-called 34 innocent players were also found to have withheld information (ie. they were dishonest) during the whole process. None of the 18 players who had been drug tested - on 30 occasions - had declared on their forms, as they were legally obliged to do, they they had been injected on multiple occasions with drug supplements. Also, many players, on instructions from Danks, had withheld information concerning their drug injections from Doc Reid.

So, understandably, the CAS had issues with the players credibility, as well as Dank's credibility, during the whole process. Because of their relative dishonesty and lack of credibility, the players were given 2 year backdated sentences.

I love the way Robbo and others are now endeavouring to rewrite history.
Better not let the facts get in the way of some revisionist hysteria.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I love rehashing the absurdities of all of their dumb and pathetic story lines of “we don’t know what anyone took”.

It makes me laugh to think that you’ve got players that have their diets monitored, GPS numbers, how much weight they’re lifting, etc but an entire club simply forgot, or didn’t take much notice of what injections the players were getting daily and never bothered to review the program or what they were injecting to see if it was working, while openly telling media that they were trying to increase body size and recovery.

Pulling their bullshit apart never gets old.

 

[cryptor]

The club and Danks admitted that thymosin was being administered to the players "but yah can't prove it was TB4, so there !". It was conceded by Danks and the club that "thymosin" was being administered to the players to help in recovery of soft tissue injuries. But it was also accepted by the CAS and by all medical authorities that TB4 is the only thymosin variety that helps soft issue recovery.

Got to love seeing Essendon people continue to bleat the line about how there's no evidence that the players were injected with anything banned because there's no smoking gun piece of evidence. They continue to ignore that the evidence requirement in CAS is essentially done on a weight of all available evidence and does allow them to draw those logical connections to reach a verdict. And there was several smoking guns worth of evidence in the end.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

"We don't know what they took but we know it wasn't illegal"

That's the general line of argument.

"Not a single shred of evidence"
Somehow don't consider the insane raft of hamstring injuries, or huge body size increases, or the 25,000 injections, or offsite program that went around the club doctor, or Hird's visits to the AOD investors meeting, or Goodwin's reference to 'the good stuff', or the missing spreadsheet, or the connection to compounding pharmacists and Shane Carter as evidence.

 

[SSSSSS]

"They did nothing wrong."

BAHAHAHHAHAHA

 

[JustKickIt]

Shocked to be sitting here.

 

[Brishawk]

Got to love seeing Essendon people continue to bleat the line about how there's no evidence that the players were injected with anything banned because there's no smoking gun piece of evidence. They continue to ignore that the evidence requirement in CAS is essentially done on a weight of all available evidence and does allow them to draw those logical connections to reach a verdict. And there was several smoking guns worth of evidence in the end.

They literally signed paperwork agreeing to be injected by thymosin. Probably no clearer evidence.

 

[cryptor]

They literally signed paperwork agreeing to be injected by thymosin. Probably no clearer evidence.

Which is what McVeigh believes is another name for Vitamin C when it's injected directly into your gut.

 

[kazzooka]

It is an admitted fact that they ran a program to increase performance. Dank and Robinson were hired for this as sports scientist and high performance manager respectively.

The programs goal was to increase the performance of the players.

Their method was to inject them with drugs daily.

This is documented and undisputed.

They were trying to enhance performance by injecting drugs.

But don't you dare say that they took performance enhancing drugs. The performance enhancing drug program only used drugs that didn't enhance performance. Hird even sent a text to his performance enhancing drug expert saying to make sure that you don't give the players anything that enhances their performance.

Do you really think that Hirds former personal trainer as a player (convicted PED trafficker Shane charters) would supply Dank with PED's?

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

It is an admitted fact that they ran a program to increase performance. Dank and Robinson were hired for this as sports scientist and high performance manager respectively.

The programs goal was to increase the performance of the players.

Their method was to inject them with drugs daily.

This is documented and undisputed.

They were trying to enhance performance by injecting drugs.

But don't you dare say that they took performance enhancing drugs. The performance enhancing drug program only used drugs that didn't enhance performance. Hird even sent a text to his performance enhancing drug expert saying to make sure that you don't give the players anything that enhances their performance.

Do you really think that Hirds former personal trainer as a player (convicted PED trafficker Shane charters) would supply Dank with PED's?

This article is still up. It’s a doozy from the two best investigative journo’s in the land.

Essendon in 'doctor shopping' to beat ban

Essendon's 2012 supplements program involved a ploy to circumvent anti-doping rules.

amp.theage.com.au

 

[Davo-27]

So Corcoran is saying they got busted for a certain drug but there's no evidence they took that drug, but Dank gave them some kind of performance enhancing drug and admitted to using a certain drug even though there's no evidence he had that drug, but the Essendon players were robbed because the government was looking for a scapegoat, but he doesn't trust Dank, didn't want to hire him and blames Robinson and Hamilton for hiring a guy that drugged the Gold Coast Titans and Cronulla Sharks, but the Essendon players are innocent and Jobe Watson deserved a brownlow even though he was taking a mystery drug that improved his performance...... give me a flipping break.......

No mention of Mark Thompson being addicted to something and James Hird willing to compromise his players so they could compete with the Hawks, whom he said he would do anything to beat..... journalism? more like mental gymnastics to sell a story filled with logic holes.

 

[grumbleguts]

The International Court of Arbitration (CAS) found the 34 players guilty because it was satisfied they took Thymosin Beta 4.

Essendon and Danks admitted the players took "Thymosin" (which was how the drug was referred to in Essendon documentation). But the club argued that the authorities couldn't actually prove it was the TB4 type. It was beyond dispute and proven that Danks bought the TB4 variety from shadowy characters. A paper trail confirmed that Danks had been dispensed TB4 from a pharmacy.

The drug, together with other cocktails were secretly administered 'over the road" behind the club doctor's back and without his knowledge. When Doc Reid found out he wrote a letter to the board setting out his serious concerns. But the board did nothing (the letter was allegedly lost in the ether) and Doc Reid never followed up with his medical concerns (despite the fact that he was the club doctor responsible for the players and the players were potentially at risk).

The club and Danks admitted that thymosin was being administered to the players "but yah can't prove it was TB4, so there !". It was conceded by Danks and the club that "thymosin" was being administered to the players to help in recovery of soft tissue injuries. But it was also accepted by the CAS and by all medical authorities that TB4 is the only thymosin variety that helps soft issue recovery.

So, aside from other evidence presented to the court, the court just connected the evidentiary dots.

But there were other relevant factors. Some players were found to contain TB4 from urine samples (but at low levels).
Many of so-called 34 innocent players were also found to have withheld information (ie. they were dishonest) during the whole process. None of the 18 players who had been drug tested - on 30 occasions - had declared on their forms, as they were legally obliged to do, they they had been injected on multiple occasions with drug supplements. Also, many players, on instructions from Danks, had withheld information concerning their drug injections from Doc Reid.

So, understandably, the CAS had issues with the players credibility, as well as Dank's credibility, during the whole process. Because of their relative dishonesty and lack of credibility, the players were given 2 year backdated sentences.

I love the way Robbo and others are now endeavouring to rewrite history.
Better not let the facts get in the way of some revisionist hysteria.

Superb.

 

[Mississippi]

There are 2 stunning and profoundly incriminating articles by award winning journo Nick McKenzie in The Age following his interviews with Stephen Dank.
They are dated 24 August 2013 and 13 June 2014. You can google them, they make delicious reading.

An extract from the 2013 article -

Article headed - Dank's Stunning Admission

In April, the World Anti-Doping Agency confirmed that TB-4 was banned for use in 2012 under the catch-all section two rule of the WADA code. It also specifically listed TB-4 as banned. Shortly after this interview was conducted, Dank said he had been mistaken when he told Fairfax Media that he had given the players TB-4, a claim he has since made repeatedly. WADA has said that AOD-9604 is banned under section 0 of its code that prohibits athletes using drugs that are not approved for human therapeutic use. Dank has refused to be interviewed by the AFL and the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority.

Nick McKenzie: I have had a doctor tell me that bovine colostrum [which is produced by a cow immediately after giving birth and is not banned by WADA] would not have done anything when given to Essendon players. So why did you use it?

Stephen Dank: It is very high in [proteins]. I think your doctor source could possibly be right but there is some very, very good data supporting it. There is some data not so supportive, to be honest. But at the end of the day, right, if we have to wait for an absolute blueprint piece of scientific literature on everything that is used in exercise we would end up using nothing.

NM: Thymosin Beta 4 – why was that used in Essendon players given there is an opinion from a doctor or researcher and other scientists that its effects are uncertain? (note: The AFL believes it has a strong circumstantial case that TB-4 was used on players.)

SD: That's not totally true Nick because, with all due respect, right, there is good data – very good data – that supports Thymosin Beta 4 in the immune system.

NM: OK, why give it to all Essendon players if only some of them had colds and flu?

SD: Well, the point is that there is a degree of immunosuppression after a game or a hard training week, right. Often times the ability to back up next week is decreased by the hit on the immune system.

NM: Did you see any indications in Essendon players that it actually helped them?

SD: Well apart from the fact they won 11 out of their first 14, right, and we did regular bloods [blood tests] . . . at the end of the day I was very happy with the science, I was very happy after working a long time in football, right, that there are periods of malaise which are possibly related to sub-clinical flus and sub-clinical colds, right, which can affect performance. When we want to be honest, Nick, how much performance data is there out there on Actovegin [calf's blood extract)]

NM: There's a lot, isn't there?

SD: No there's not! So, you know, you've got to extrapolate from the science.

NM: How often were Essendon players taking Thymosin Beta 4?

SD: [Explains the dosage level but asks that this be not published].

NM: ASADA has just released on its website that Thymosin Beta 4 is prohibited in all routes and out of competition.

SD: Well, that must have just only come in this year and I will get someone to speak to ASADA about that. That's just mind-blowing.

NM: Thymosin Beta 4, they must have just banned that.

SD: I think they've only just put that in to back up their case.

 

[Mississippi]

And this from The Age - 13 June 2014 -

In was seven months later, in February, 2013, that the federal government called a press conference to release the explosive Australian Crime Commission report exposing the use of banned peptides in professional sport.

By now, ASADA’s hastily assembled team of ex-cops and lawyers were, in tandem with the AFL’s integrity unit (in an unprecedented partnership the Bombers believe may have tainted the evidence-gathering process) working overtime to piece together precisely what the man at the centre of the ACC report had done at Windy Hill.

Dank, though, was an elusive target. He refused ASADA and the AFL’s advances, instead choosing to drop tidbits in interviews with journalists.

In early April 2013, Dank not only told me he used TB4 on Essendon players but said he did so because there was ''very good data that supports Thymosin Beta 4''.

When I told him that according to the ASADA website, WADA had specifically banned the drug, he said the move was ''just mind-blowing''.

''I think they’ve only just put that in to back up their case'' against the Bombers, he said.

A day later, when I told Dank that The Age was set to publish his comments about TB4, he asked to clarify his interview. He never meant to refer to Thymosin Beta 4, he told me. The drug he had given the Bombers players was in fact Thymomodulin.

Dank and the Bombers have hung onto this claim ever since.

 

[cryptor]

Thymomodifying their stories

 

[TylerDurden]

Slobbo.

Cant let go. Like Sheeds.

 

[kazzooka]

This article is still up. It’s a doozy from the two best investigative journo’s in the land.

Essendon in 'doctor shopping' to beat ban

Essendon's 2012 supplements program involved a ploy to circumvent anti-doping rules.

amp.theage.com.au

Ridiculous they didn't get done for AOD9604 due to Danks email tricks.

Dank: is AOD9604 on the band list?

Asada: no, but it could be covered under S0 as I can't find any record that it is approved for human use.

Dank: thank you for confirming that AOD9604 isn't banned.

 

[PT Bar None]

Slobbo.

Cant let go. Like Sheeds.

And people wonder why I boxed Brad Scott in the next coach sacked poll

 

[TylerDurden]

 

[FB19]

Now we know why their football has been flaccid for so long (pardon the secondary pun)!

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Remember when Dank kept promising that he would set this all straight. He’d be able to prove what he gave the players.

Years on, still nothing.

Geez, if you were one of the players you’d be stiff.



boom tish

 

[Steven Tyler]

Remember when Dank kept promising that he would set this all straight. He’d be able to prove what he gave the players.

Years on, still nothing.

Geez, if you were one of the players you’d be stiff.



boom tish

 

[Brishawk]

Remember when Dank kept promising that he would set this all straight. He’d be able to prove what he gave the players.

Years on, still nothing.

Geez, if you were one of the players you’d be stiff.



boom tish

Not anymore

 

[peetoo]

So erectors not injectors

Can Sam’s famous jibe be revised?

 

[PT Bar None]

The "Tullamarine Boners"