The I Was Right thread

[calder_daddy]

I was right about Bruhn. Likely cost us the Prelim. 10 disposals as a mid

This a really strange flex.
Borderline Pathetic to be putting blame on a 22 year old

 

[iameviljez]

This a really strange flex.
Borderline Pathetic to be putting blame on a 22 year old

Look, he did have a crap game. That said, he didn't start in the middle so far as I saw till the fourth quarter?

 

[calder_daddy]

Look, he did have a crap game. That said, he didn't start in the middle so far as I saw till the fourth quarter?

Q1-1
Q2-4
Q3-2
Q4-5

Would’ve been less if Holmes wasn’t subbed out IMO

There’s no argument he wasn’t good what so ever, but the constant bashing by a poster to a now 22 year old is sad.
Then to go hard in the I was right and post match thread is pathetic

 

[Warhorse]

As people know, I'm not a fan of his.

I went really hard on him early and have pulled up to give him time.

Possibly every concern I had 2 years ago about him I still hold today.

He is yet to make me eat my early words and look silly (I want him to).

He needs a big season next year and I hope he goes crazy and has one.

66 games into him so it should be go-time... although I see minimal upside (similar with Clark).

Not quite Chad Warner... Not quite Bruhnlow.

People would bump his thread everytime he got over 20 touches this season. That only happened a few times though as it wasn't often he hit 20 touches

This a really strange flex.
Borderline Pathetic to be putting blame on a 22 year old

10 touches is bad for a first gamer, let alone a full time mid in his 4th season.

 

[calder_daddy]

People would bump his thread everytime he got over 20 touches this season. That only happened a few times though as it wasn't often he hit 20 touches

10 touches is bad for a first gamer, let alone a full time mid in his 4th season.

But as I’ve said.
To put the blame of a 10 point loss in a Prelim on him is pathetic.
You bang on about Stengle all year being AA quality, where was he last night?
Why don’t you blame him for his poor attempts at goal
You just have this sick narrative to want Bruhn to have poor games just to make yourself feel better.

Be a better supporter tomorrow, the past few days you’ve had a shocker

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Be a better supporter tomorrow, the past few days you’ve had a shocker

Translation: Be a happy clapper never critical of anything.
Bruhn and Co deserve every bit of criticism coming there way, were found wanting and showed the gap they have to bridge to be a competent midfield group.

 

[iameviljez]

Translation: Be a happy clapper never critical of anything.
Bruhn and Co deserve every bit of criticism coming there way, were found wanting and showed the gap they have to bridge to be a competent midfield group.

Sure, but from what I have seen, you heap it all on Bruhn.

Not on Bowes, or Atkins, or Blicavs when he was in the middle. None of them would be in the midfield for any other top eight side.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Sure, but from what I have seen, you heap it all on Bruhn.

Not on Bowes, or Atkins, or Blicavs when he was in the middle. None of them would be in the midfield for any other top eight side.

You're talking to the wrong person.

 

[calder_daddy]

Translation: Be a happy clapper never critical of anything.
Bruhn and Co deserve every bit of criticism coming there way, were found wanting and showed the gap they have to bridge to be a competent midfield group.

There’s being able to criticize when warranted and not blamed for a prelim loss. Which is what happened here, I would say Duncan cost us the game more in 1/4 of footy than Bruhn did for just not winning the ball.
As another post said there’s no blame going to Bowes and Atkins who both had poor games.
Stengle is getting a free ride here and it’s remarkable.
As in Neale “not that I am blaming him, but him and Bruhn are very similar in age”
There is plenty of players who had poor games, but none what so ever are the specific reason why we lost.

It’s definitely not a 22 year olds fault we lost a prelim because he didn’t double his disposal numbers

 

[Art Vandelay_]

There’s being able to criticize when warranted and not blamed for a prelim loss. Which is what happened here, I would say Duncan cost us the game more in 1/4 of footy than Bruhn did for just not winning the ball.

That is very unfair. The dye was largely cast before Duncan had come on, we were hanging on by that point in time.

As another post said there’s no blame going to Bowes and Atkins who both had poor games.

Except I did when posting here last night, and some couldn't the criticism.

Stengle is getting a free ride here and it’s remarkable.
As in Neale “not that I am blaming him, but him and Bruhn are very similar in age”
There is plenty of players who had poor games, but none what so ever are the specific reason why we lost.

Neale has been criticised since last night and the resultant behaviour from some has been to hit disagree

It’s definitely not a 22 year olds fault we lost a prelim because he didn’t double his disposal numbers

Which wasn't my point. Mine was that collectively we're well short of the mark and it contributed to our exit last night. Our mid group is piss poor.

 

[iameviljez]

You're talking to the wrong person.

Oh sorry - I do conflate you and Warhorse a little. Apologies

 

[Kobe Gryant]

That is very unfair. The dye was largely cast before Duncan had come on, we were hanging on by that point in time.

Except I did when posting here last night, and some couldn't the criticism.


Neale has been criticised since last night and the resultant behaviour from some has been to hit disagree

Which wasn't my point. Mine was that collectively we're well short of the mark and it contributed to our exit last night. Our mid group is piss poor.

Comes back to expectation for mine.

I fully understand the desire - or need - to blame somebody, but like most things, it's expectation vs outcome.

We all know we don't have a premiership quality midfield. I think we all knew that coming into the season too.

It's been discussed ad nauseam as being our weak link, and it's that's been proven to be the case.

We've all been worried about it all year, and everyone's had their own ideas on how to fix it (The TOG theories, Stewart, Hardie, it's all been about how we can mask this issue).

Whether that's subject to change through development, or we just need different players remains to be seen, but it's irrelevant in the context of this season.

I guess what I'm trying to say is I reckon a lot of people don't criticize them, because they don't expect much out of them if that makes sense.

If we're to get Bailey Smith, and potentially another mid, I reckon that's subject to change.

The expectations will go up a gear, and the criticism will come big time if the results don't change.

 

[Seeds]

Translation: Be a happy clapper never critical of anything.
Bruhn and Co deserve every bit of criticism coming there way, were found wanting and showed the gap they have to bridge to be a competent midfield group.

We win by four goals if holmes doesnt get injured and the umps arent cheating. 7 goals if stengle doesnt have the worst kicking game of his career.

This season we simply lost cos of bad luck.

No criticism needed. You dont need to be the best at all parts of the ground to be the best team.

 

[Commando]

We win by four goals if holmes doesnt get injured and the umps arent cheating. 7 goals if stengle doesnt have the worst kicking game of his career.

This season we simply lost cos of bad luck.

No criticism needed. You dont need to be the best at all parts of the ground to be the best team.

There's literally a correlation between Holmes injury and us being over run..

 

[dazbroncos]

It's not. Say whatever negative stuff you want.

But your first response to us losing a close final was bumping the "I was right" thread. Seriously?

When it’s important to be the first to call yourself right.. you know who’ll be there..

Go Catters

 

[Warhorse]

Sure, but from what I have seen, you heap it all on Bruhn.

Not on Bowes, or Atkins, or Blicavs when he was in the middle. None of them would be in the midfield for any other top eight side.

All these players can play positions outside of the center square. Bruhn has to ride the pine, destroying our rotations while the above players are constantly chasing Bruhn direct opponent due to his defensive deficiencies.

Also, none of them are given nicknames like Bruhnlow or comparisons to Warner.

 

[My Tilly]

All these players can play positions outside of the center square. Bruhn has to ride the pine, destroying our rotations while the above players are constantly chasing Bruhn direct opponent due to his defensive deficiencies.

Also, none of them are given nicknames like Bruhnlow or comparisons to Warner.

I really think you are going to be eating your words this same time next year.

Bruhn will make it. Even when he does become one of our best mids, I have a feeling you will still be highly critical of his game.

 

[Warhorse]

I really think you are going to be eating your words this same time next year.

Bruhn will make it. Even when he does become one of our best mids, I have a feeling you will still be highly critical of his game.

He should become a solid B/C Grader. Maybe as early as next year.

This year though he was poor and was the difference between a Prelim finish and playing in a Grand final. It's OK to be a developing player but as he is not able to play any position outside of centre square midfielder we are a worse side for him being in the team

 

[My Tilly]

He should become a solid B/C Grader. Maybe as early as next year.

This year though he was poor and was the difference between a Prelim finish and playing in a Grand final. It's OK to be a developing player but as he is not able to play any position outside of centre square midfielder we are a worse side for him being in the team

Wrong.
Jeremy Cameron went missing in the final quarter and he's one of the most expensive footballers in the league.
We got very little out of Tom Atkins who had been averaging 18 disposals per game prior to the weekend's match.

Blaming it solely on a kid who has only played 35 games at a new club is pathetic.

 

[iameviljez]

All these players can play positions outside of the center square. Bruhn has to ride the pine, destroying our rotations while the above players are constantly chasing Bruhn direct opponent due to his defensive deficiencies.

That's true of Bowes and Blicavs, but not Atkins, who was ordinary as a defender and very ordinary as a forward.
Regardless, it does not make them better midfielders.

I don't find him 'defensively deficient', I think you're seeing what you want to see there.

 

[Warhorse]

Wrong.
Jeremy Cameron went missing in the final quarter and he's one of the most expensive footballers in the league.
We got very little out of Tom Atkins who had been averaging 18 disposals per game prior to the weekend's match.

Blaming it solely on a kid who has only played 35 games at a new club is pathetic.

He had 10 touches for the entire game. As a full time midfielder.

 

[Warhorse]

That's true of Bowes and Blicavs, but not Atkins, who was ordinary as a defender and very ordinary as a forward.
Regardless, it does not make them better midfielders.

I don't find him 'defensively deficient', I think you're seeing what you want to see there.

He gets tackles in the packs. Gets torched on the outside

 

[cats_09]

Wrong.
Jeremy Cameron went missing in the final quarter and he's one of the most expensive footballers in the league.
We got very little out of Tom Atkins who had been averaging 18 disposals per game prior to the weekend's match.

Blaming it solely on a kid who has only played 35 games at a new club is pathetic.

Wasn't Bruhn also injured during the match?

I'm pretty sure we all would like to have seen him have a better match, but I'm more critical of a player like Stengle who more of a liability than if he was just absent during the match - a couple of really poor shots on goal, especially the one with Dempsey open in the goal square, the way to early "marking" attempt when Neale was in prime position and as a small we needed him to stay on the ground etc

Sometimes being invisible is better than poor involvement

 

[Warhorse]

Wasn't Bruhn also injured during the match?

I'm pretty sure we all would like to have seen him have a better match, but I'm more critical of a player like Stengle who more of a liability than if he was just absent during the match - a couple of really poor shots on goal, especially the one with Dempsey open in the goal square, the way to early "marking" attempt when Neale was in prime position and as a small we needed him to stay on the ground etc

Sometimes being invisible is better than poor involvement

Was he injured just before the opening bounce? Was horrible the entire game

 

[My Tilly]

Was he injured just before the opening bounce? Was horrible the entire game

Name a solution then.

Take out Bruhn and who do you want in the guts instead?