The Otherworldly Circus - The America Thread

[Next Waiting]

Thanks NW. Having immediate family members who were victims of the German regime (I avoid even typing the "N" word as it disgusts me, and also avoid typing the name of their leader), the alignment to the principles, e.g. the words as you say, but also Trump's quest for the same "generals", is no coincidence. It's not like a single accidental overlap. It's been sustained alignment for some time.

I have never argued that Harris is a good candidate, but in the absence of a viable opponent, she becomes the default. There are several other better candidates (on both sides), but the situation isn't changing between now and Nov 5th.

Both sides pander to the Zionists in Israel. But only one side supports as much of a free world as possible under current geopolitical circumstances.

Anywho, only 7 days until the commencement of hostilities...

The thing (one of the things) I despise about Trump is the truism that no house can stand divided against itself. Sure it might win you an election but the repercussions are long into the future.

 

[Next Waiting]

Thanks NW. Having immediate family members who were victims of the German regime (I avoid even typing the "N" word as it disgusts me, and also avoid typing the name of their leader), the alignment to the principles, e.g. the words as you say, but also Trump's quest for the same "generals", is no coincidence. It's not like a single accidental overlap. It's been sustained alignment for some time.

I have never argued that Harris is a good candidate, but in the absence of a viable opponent, she becomes the default. There are several other better candidates (on both sides), but the situation isn't changing between now and Nov 5th.

Both sides pander to the Zionists in Israel. But only one side supports as much of a free world as possible under current geopolitical circumstances.

Anywho, only 7 days until the commencement of hostilities...

On the precipice they stand ... into the abyss or a hard climb to a safe ledge with hard climbs ahead. I don't see it any other way. It's not a quick fix.

 

[Next Waiting]

I'm going to be entertained during this election and its aftermath. The only point of contention is whether I'm going to be morbidly entertained or hopefully entertained.

Either way I have prepared

 

[King Harold]

Sure, but I don't think calling it a nazi rally does anyone any favours. It genuinely bothers me that so many people these days just label someone they don't like a nazi, it really demeans the word and lessens the threshold in the public discourse of what constitutes being a nazi.

Trump isn't even in the same realm of Hitler or any of the Germans trying to extinguish six million jews imo, and if you think it is an accurate comparison, then wowwee, I don't know what to say.

You do realise your man has been labelling whoever he doesn’t like on the day , communists, marxists , and fascists since the campaign started ?
The f—— idiot even uses all those terms to describe one person
He relies on his f—— moron supporters having no idea what any of those terms really mean.

Have you any grasp of history?
Again watch his last rally and come back to me with the “ oh the other side are just as bad “ with a straight face.
I am hoping you will not be cheering on that type of rhetoric, because by any interpretation it is fascist.

If you have a fascist agenda, be prepared to be compared to the Nazis, Mussolini and other nationalistic despots that litter history .

 

[Pugz89]

But tbf Pugz at least one of the speakers is word for word Goebels. Appealing to the basist of base human inclinations for political advantage.

It's utterly disgraceful and at the same time alarming because it has traction in this environment. This is what has become of them. A dangerously heady mix of ignorance and nationalism fully exploited by those who aspire to power.

Word for word? I've never studied Goebels' speeches enough to compare, so I can't really comment.

You do realise your man has been labelling whoever he doesn’t like on the day , communists, marxists , and fascists since the campaign started ?
The f—— idiot even uses all those terms to describe one person
He relies on his f—— moron supporters having no idea what any of those terms really mean.

Have you any grasp of history?
Again watch his last rally and come back to me with the “ oh the other side are just as bad “ with a straight face.
I am hoping you will not be cheering on that type of rhetoric, because by any interpretation it is fascist.

If you have a fascist agenda, be prepared to be compared to the Nazis, Mussolini and other nationalistic despots that litter history .

And Trump has been referred to as Hitler as far back as 2016 before he was even in the White House.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/03/07/the-hitler-ification-of-donald-trump/

Both sides are just as bad as each other, which is what i've said in here all along. The left slinging Hitler jibes at Trump and Trump throwing marxist and communist jibes at Biden et al.

 

[Next Waiting]

Word for word? I've never studied Goebels' speeches enough to compare, so I can't really comment.

They're relying on that. That you (in this case the American electorate at large) won't recognise the source but will recognise the sentiment. The fear and loathing of foreigners. It's a universal language and young males of many persuasions just eat it right up.

I make no judgement on you personally. It's a failing of cirriculum within education. History repeats because of such failings. We may not plummet to the depths of Hitler's depravity but it's a card that can confidently be played to generations far enough removed from that which came before. History has proved that.

 

[Thunderoad]

If this right wing 'comedian' bombing so hard at Maddision Square Garden inadvertently results in the USA not desencding into a fascist state then that's going to end being the funniest thing you'll hear this century.

You just now that Trump is going to use the blow up as a excuse to stiff him and not pay the appearance fee.

 

[King Harold]

Word for word? I've never studied Goebels' speeches enough to compare, so I can't really comment.

And Trump has been referred to as Hitler as far back as 2016 before he was even in the White House.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/03/07/the-hitler-ification-of-donald-trump/

Both sides are just as bad as each other, which is what i've said in here all along. The left slinging Hitler jibes at Trump and Trump throwing marxist and communist jibes at Biden et al.

Ok mate, I get it , you’re a bit of a Trump fan and he is unfairly labelled and the other lot are just as bad so it’s a photo , the judge can’t separate them in the horrible stakes.

But I assume when they are rounding up the “illegal” Legal Haitians during the first week of his “ reign” and sending them into camps you will be cheering it on ?
Because if he doesn’t, he has been lying to you all along.

 

[Pugz89]

Ok mate, I get it , you’re a bit of a Trump fan and he is unfairly labelled and the other lot are just as bad so it’s a photo , the judge can’t separate them in the horrible stakes.

But I assume when they are rounding up the “illegal” Legal Haitians during the first week of his “ reign” and sending them into camps you will be cheering it on ?
Because if he doesn’t, he has been lying to you all along.

I wouldn't say i'm a Trump fan. I think he has been unfairly demonised from the outset by the media, which has led to a lot of heat in the political forum in the US in the past nine years.
Early on, I watched his rallies etc and then read the coverage and it was definitely skewed. In recent years, I have mostly checked out of US politics though. Laughable that Democrats put up Biden for a second stint and it was only a disastrous debate performance that forced their hand, and rushed Harris into the spot instead.

I don't know all that much about the "illegal" legal Haitians thing you mention. If they entered the US legally and went through the correct immigration process, then that's sweet - good for them.
But I also hear many on the left say undocumented migrants haven't broken any laws - actually they have, by mere fact they didn't go through the correct process and did not enter the country through a port of entry and using the correct processes.

 

[Next Waiting]

As an aside to this discussion, many years ago I was teaching an English class of predominately Japanese and Korean students and we came to the free discussion part of proceedings.

How it came up I can't be sure but I suppose it was a free discussion. WW11. The Japanese students had absolutely NFI .... and I can't stress NFI enough ... as to what atrocities had been committed on their behalf in places like China .... and Korea.

The Korean students, on the other hand, had every idea of what had happened and were very well versed. You just can't imagine the conversion of shock and disbelief (the Japanese students) and anger (the Korean students) that played out over those 30 minutes. Things were never the same and I was quite proactive in steering things away from that direction in future classes.

Maybe 50 years had elapsed since events that inextricably bound them both had unfolded. Only one group was actually aware of what had happened. I'll never forget it.

Every now and then I venture back to that day and I can see the shock on the faces of my Japanese students and the anger on the faces of my Korean students. I never asked, I never thought it wise to go there again, but I always wondered how much of the Korean anger was that their Japanese contemporaries just didn't know the history or that it had happened at all. A little from Column A but mostly from Column B I suspect.

 

[King Harold]

I wouldn't say i'm a Trump fan. I think he has been unfairly demonised from the outset by the media, which has led to a lot of heat in the political forum in the US in the past nine years.
Early on, I watched his rallies etc and then read the coverage and it was definitely skewed. In recent years, I have mostly checked out of US politics though. Laughable that Democrats put up Biden for a second stint and it was only a disastrous debate performance that forced their hand, and rushed Harris into the spot instead.

I don't know all that much about the "illegal" legal Haitians thing you mention. If they entered the US legally and went through the correct immigration process, then that's sweet - good for them.
But I also hear many on the left say undocumented migrants haven't broken any laws - actually they have, by mere fact they didn't go through the correct process and did not enter the country through a port of entry and using the correct processes.

I wouldn’t dare tell you what to believe, and I hope you don’t perceive I am lecturing you , because I don’t mean to.
All I ask is to argue your case on merit, and leave the out whataboutism that has taken over regarding any defence of all things Trump.
Believe me if the Democrats start talking like fascists , you will hear from me condemning it.
But there is only one party talking this way, and if your going to argue something different well your like the boy with the barrow , it’s all ahead of you !

 

[Bulldog1954]

Word for word? I've never studied Goebels' speeches enough to compare, so I can't really comment.

And Trump has been referred to as Hitler as far back as 2016 before he was even in the White House.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/03/07/the-hitler-ification-of-donald-trump/

Both sides are just as bad as each other, which is what i've said in here all along. The left slinging Hitler jibes at Trump and Trump throwing marxist and communist jibes at Biden et al.

In your link it is comedians making Hitler comparisons, not Biden or not Harris. Trump himself often labels them communists and called Harris a facist just yesterday. Not to mention calling them things like ugly, referring to her supposedly low IQ and the stupid (often racist) nicknames that appeal to his fans.

I know you think both sides are as bad as each other, but I am curious as to whether you think both candidates are as bad as each other?

Isn't there a difference between Trump who ranges somewhere between a man who sexually abuses women to a rapist, has questioned the race of both Obama and Harris, is a convicted felon and is running a campaign largely built on fear of brown people and Harris? Does Harris stoop to the levels Trump does on a daily basis?

 

[Norm De Guerre]

Sure, but I don't think calling it a nazi rally does anyone any favours. It genuinely bothers me that so many people these days just label someone they don't like a nazi, it really demeans the word and lessens the threshold in the public discourse of what constitutes being a nazi.

Nor does ignoring the parallels or rhetoric of what went on at MSG yesterday and what went down in the same place when it held an actual Nazi rally in 1939.

Trump isn't even in the same realm of Hitler or any of the Germans trying to extinguish six million jews imo, and if you think it is an accurate comparison, then wowwee, I don't know what to say.

You do understand that Trump plans to deport as many as 10 million immigrants. Beginning day 1. Right?

Do you know who else had a penchant for mass deportations and othering people?

If you don't believe this Antifa, Commie Marxist, Socialist, Soy Boy ******* on a random football forum. Ask his former Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff. His actual form Chief of Staff. The former is on the record saying the Trump fits the definition off a fascist. And the latter is on the record saying that Trump said "Hitler did some good things" And that he was an admirer of Hitlers Generals for their loyalty to him. All of whom were actual Nazis.

Or any of Trump's inner sanctum including his former V.P all of whom have publicly stated that they will not vote for Trump because of the existential threat that he poses to democracy.

Trump may not be the very definition of a Nazi, but he is a Nazi admiring fascist.

Word for word? I've never studied Goebels' speeches enough to compare, so I can't really comment.

One doesn't have to hear a duck quack to recognise it as a duck.

And Trump has been referred to as Hitler as far back as 2016 before he was even in the White House.

Was it this guy. It was this guy wasn't it?

 

[Dogs Rule]

Perilous. The heat has been turned up so much that the result may well produce a combustible result either way. What an appalling state of affairs. Us or them, no compromise, just dogmatic entrenchment. FFS have a good hard look at yourselves.

Your time is up America ....

Worst part is the rhetoric in this country is heading down a similar track. If not there already and we're just sleepwalking into it.

Sky, Murdoch papers, Rinehart. Cancers on our society.

 

[King Harold]

In your link it is comedians making Hitler comparisons, not Biden or not Harris. Trump himself often labels them communists and called Harris a facist just yesterday. Not to mention calling them things like ugly, referring to her supposedly low IQ and the stupid (often racist) nicknames that appeal to his fans.

I know you think both sides are as bad as each other, but I am curious as to whether you think both candidates are as bad as each other?

Isn't there a difference between Trump who ranges somewhere between a man who sexually abuses women to a rapist, has questioned the race of both Obama and Harris, is a convicted felon and is running a campaign largely built on fear of brown people and Harris? Does Harris stoop to the levels Trump does on a daily basis?

Trump :
“I want my Generals to be like Hitlers Generals .”

What reaction would Harris get if she uttered something along those lines ?

 

[Norm De Guerre]

Billionaires. Cancers on our society.

EFA.

 

[Dogs 13]

Trump :
“I want my Generals to be like Hitlers Generals .”

What reaction would Harris get if she uttered something along those lines ?

Valkyrie might be more successful next time.

 

[Bulldog1954]

Trump :
“I want my Generals to be like Hitlers Generals .”

What reaction would Harris get if she uttered something along those lines ?

Not to mention that immigrants are "poisoning the blood of our country” and referring to his opponents as "vermin".

 

[Next Waiting]

Worst part is the rhetoric in this country is heading down a similar track. If not there already and we're just sleepwalking into it.

Sky, Murdoch papers, Rinehart. Cancers on our society.

"The price of democracy is eternal vigilance" is one of my favourite quotes.

My take on this is the capacity/ability to critically evaluate the bs you're being fed. If you don't or aren't inclined to think critically you're hecked (yeah I saved the BF filters the trouble).

Why is someone telling you this or that? What's in it for them? What are they attempting to persuade you to or colour your view of? Qui Bono?

It's language people! And history! If you don't appreciate language, nuance, connotation you're probably being manipulated and you probably don't know it. I know I'm not the only one here who will harp on about language from time to time but it's important. It's important if you don't want to be a gullible muppet who'll end up voting for Trump and putting us through the sh1tstorm that's sure to follow or the Australian equivalent that some farking focus group has said will work.

Anyways, I think we're in furious agreement

 

[Mantis Toboggan]

What an appalling state of affairs. Us or them, no compromise, just dogmatic entrenchment

It’s a depressing state of affairs and I think a lot of that is brought about by the two party system. Is there anyone in America who is pro-life but anti-guns? Or vice versa?

It’s such a pathetic situation where knowing one thing about a person invariably tells you how they feel about every other political topic.

 

[Charlie Bucket]

How the f**k do people still argue against criticism of Trump, let alone cheer him on? What happened in your lives to end up here? Jesus f***in Christ It’s seriously head scratching stuff.

You barely need to be any sort of normal person to see what an absolute disgrace he and his movement has become.

I pity those on the wrong side of history. Particularly those that cheer him on from overseas.

 

[Mutt]

How the f**k do people still argue against criticism of Trump, let alone cheer him on? What happened in your lives to end up here? Jesus f***in Christ It’s seriously head scratching stuff.

You barely need to be any sort of normal person to see what an absolute disgrace he and his movement has become.

I pity those on the wrong side of history. Particularly those that cheer him on from overseas.

It's very hard to fathom the support for Trump from Australians.

In a week he will have lost another election and then the real fun will begin. Will the Republicans still control the House? If so, the USA is in trouble.

I'm still hopeful that Harris wins the electoral college comfortably. I think the polls are yet again going to be very wrong.

 

[_Cerberus_]

It's very hard to fathom the support for Trump from Australians.

In a week he will have lost another election and then the real fun will begin. Will the Republicans still control the House? If so, the USA is in trouble.

I'm still hopeful that Harris wins the electoral college comfortably. I think the polls are yet again going to be very wrong.

If Democrats win, but the Republicans hold the house. It will be the same old s**t. They will block every single policy, and blame the Democrats for not getting anything done. The US will just come to a stand still. The old GOP, would work in unison on most policy, and didn't hold the country hostage like the current mob do. They don't care about fellow Americans, they rather play politics. I never liked Bush, but at least things were not a circus under him or Obama. Both sides worked together for the betterment of the country.

 

[Mutt]

If Democrats win, but the Republicans hold the house. It will be the same old s**t. They will block every single policy, and blame the Democrats for not getting anything done. The US will just come to a stand still. The old GOP, would work in unison on most policy, and didn't hold the country hostage like the current mob do. They don't care about fellow Americans, they rather play politics. I never liked Bush, but at least things were not a circus under him or Obama. Both sides worked together for the betterment of the country.

If the GOP control the House, Trump and Mike Johnson have something cooking.

I don't think the GOP will control the House and I think that Harris will win by an even larger margin than Biden did. Texas and Florida might even be in play. The polls are underestimating the reproductive rights issue - just as they did in the mid-terms.

 

[_Cerberus_]

If the GOP control the House, Trump and Mike Johnson have something cooking.

The scary thing is, in Trumps recent speech. He already hinted that Mike Johnson has something planned. You just know, that if the election is close, things are going to be messy. Harris needs to win well, to put any doubts to bed.

The polls and early voting numbers do make me nervous. But as you said, they were meant to have a red wave during the mid terms. Yet it surprisingly ended up being a blue one instead. I don't think anyone can be certain.