The Otherworldly Circus - The America Thread

[manutd/dogs]

How do people see the Electoral College working out?

Below is my guess. I left Pennsylvania even but gave the Dems their blue-wall, but I still think they're in trouble, tbh; if Trump takes Pennsylvania then it's pretty much over. Polls are now dead-level in both Penn and Wisconsin, which is where the election will be won or lost for both.

Site is 270towin.com for those who want to do their own.

 

[Pugz89]

In your link it is comedians making Hitler comparisons, not Biden or not Harris. Trump himself often labels them communists and called Harris a facist just yesterday. Not to mention calling them things like ugly, referring to her supposedly low IQ and the stupid (often racist) nicknames that appeal to his fans.

I know you think both sides are as bad as each other, but I am curious as to whether you think both candidates are as bad as each other?

Isn't there a difference between Trump who ranges somewhere between a man who sexually abuses women to a rapist, has questioned the race of both Obama and Harris, is a convicted felon and is running a campaign largely built on fear of brown people and Harris? Does Harris stoop to the levels Trump does on a daily basis?

To be honest, I'd vote based on policy, rather than personality. Ideally I'd vote for a good candidate with good policies, but with that aside, I'd vote for a bad person with good policies over a good person with bad policies.
I align with conservative policies generally speaking more than progressive, and while I admit Harris doesn't have the criminal record of Trump, that's not to say she is a good person. Every politician has skeletons and compromises, which largely plays into my position that each side is as bad as the other. I guess you could get into a discussion about whose skeletons are worse, but my base position is everyone has skeletons.
Surely both parties have better options. I'd love to see Tulsi Gabbard run in 2028 tbh.

 

[glenashley]

I wouldn't say i'm a Trump fan. I think he has been unfairly demonised from the outset by the media, which has led to a lot of heat in the political forum in the US in the past nine years.
Early on, I watched his rallies etc and then read the coverage and it was definitely skewed. In recent years, I have mostly checked out of US politics though. Laughable that Democrats put up Biden for a second stint and it was only a disastrous debate performance that forced their hand, and rushed Harris into the spot instead.

I don't know all that much about the "illegal" legal Haitians thing you mention. If they entered the US legally and went through the correct immigration process, then that's sweet - good for them.
But I also hear many on the left say undocumented migrants haven't broken any laws - actually they have, by mere fact they didn't go through the correct process and did not enter the country through a port of entry and using the correct processes.

It's all right mate.

It's what they do on this thread.

Tell you you're stupid and just sucked in to being a closet nazi supporter. The rhetoric they spray is well, Goebals like....

Don't fall for the circle jerk.

And personally I'm looking forward to the illegal Haitian round up in January.

 

[Pugz89]

If the GOP control the House, Trump and Mike Johnson have something cooking.

I don't think the GOP will control the House and I think that Harris will win by an even larger margin than Biden did. Texas and Florida might even be in play. The polls are underestimating the reproductive rights issue - just as they did in the mid-terms.

I'd imagine economy would balance that out though, surely. A lot of YouTube voxpops I've watched have shown money in pockets is one of the main things people mention that will dictate their vote.

 

[Pugz89]

How do people see the Electoral College working out?

Below is my guess. I left Pennsylvania even but gave the Dems their blue-wall, but I still think they're in trouble, tbh; if Trump takes Pennsylvania then it's pretty much over. Polls are now dead-level in both Penn and Wisconsin, which is where the election will be won or lost for both.

Site is 270towin.com for those who want to do their own.

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Don't the polls have Trump up in Michigan? NC will be interesting as well. That'd be a flip up at this point imo.

 

[manutd/dogs]

Don't the polls have Trump up in Michigan? NC will be interesting as well. That'd be a flip up at this point imo.

I think Trump's got NC. 1.3% up. He might flip Wisconsin, imo.

Michigan:

 

[Pugz89]

How do people see the Electoral College working out?

Below is my guess. I left Pennsylvania even but gave the Dems their blue-wall, but I still think they're in trouble, tbh; if Trump takes Pennsylvania then it's pretty much over. Polls are now dead-level in both Penn and Wisconsin, which is where the election will be won or lost for both.

Site is 270towin.com for those who want to do their own.

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There is a machination where Trump loses PA and WI but still hits 270, but must win MI.

 

[Gold Coast Doggies]

If the GOP control the House, Trump and Mike Johnson have something cooking.

I don't think the GOP will control the House and I think that Harris will win by an even larger margin than Biden did. Texas and Florida might even be in play. The polls are underestimating the reproductive rights issue - just as they did in the mid-terms.

Absolutely no chance Democrats win Texas and Florida, not even close

 

[dogwatch]

A fairly impassioned response from some of the people who work for the Washington Post. A few senior staff have resigned.

This excerpt from the Guardian:

More Washington Post staffers have stepped down and more than 200,000 people had canceled their digital subscriptions by Monday after the newspaper’s decision not to support Kamala Harris for president.​

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Editorial board members David Hoffman and Molly Roberts both resigned on Monday with forceful letters indicating their reasons.​

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“I believe we face a very real threat of autocracy in the candidacy of Donald Trump,” Hoffman, who took home the Pulitzer Prize just last week, wrote in his resignation letter. “I find it untenable and unconscionable that we have lost our voice at this perilous moment.”​

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Roberts said she was resigning “because the imperative to endorse Kamala Harris over Donald Trump is as morally clear as it gets”.​

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Yet another billionaire in the thick of it, perhaps to protect his business interests should Trump happen to win. It has been reported that the editorial board had drafted a piece in support of Harris but it got vetoed by Jeff Bezos.​

 

[glenashley]

There is a machination where Trump loses PA and WI but still hits 270, but must win MI.

They're doing big work in Pennsylvania to Register gop voters, Amish out to vote and keep an eye on ballot dumping.

I expect Pennsylvania to go GOP.

 

[Pugz89]

A fairly impassioned response from some of the people who work for the Washington Post. A few senior staff have resigned.

This excerpt from the Guardian:

More Washington Post staffers have stepped down and more than 200,000 people had canceled their digital subscriptions by Monday after the newspaper’s decision not to support Kamala Harris for president.​

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Editorial board members David Hoffman and Molly Roberts both resigned on Monday with forceful letters indicating their reasons.​

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“I believe we face a very real threat of autocracy in the candidacy of Donald Trump,” Hoffman, who took home the Pulitzer Prize just last week, wrote in his resignation letter. “I find it untenable and unconscionable that we have lost our voice at this perilous moment.”​

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Roberts said she was resigning “because the imperative to endorse Kamala Harris over Donald Trump is as morally clear as it gets”.​

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Yet another billionaire in the thick of it, perhaps to protect his business interests should Trump happen to win. It has been reported that the editorial board had drafted a piece in support of Harris but it got vetoed by Jeff Bezos.​

To be fair, I don't think any media organisation should publicly support one side in an election. It just confirms bias to one side - and yes, I'm well aware media already align in many instances, I just don't like it though.

 

[Werewolf]

It’s a depressing state of affairs and I think a lot of that is brought about by the two party system. Is there anyone in America who is pro-life but anti-guns? Or vice versa?

It’s such a pathetic situation where knowing one thing about a person invariably tells you how they feel about every other political topic.

Libertarians are mostly pro-gun but can go either way on abortion - do what you want without harming others. Personally I'm more in the pro-choice camp - although gender selective abortions (which have been common in China and India) are abhorrent.

It would be most interesting to see how many votes would bleed off both major parties if the US had preferences. Many people now see Dems & Repubs as two sides of the same coin.

 

[Chicago1]

I've done my civic duty. My ballot arrived at my county election office and was accepted. It will be counted at 7pm Tuesday Chicago time when the polls close in Illinois.

I've also contributed again to the Harris campaign and to the campaign of a cousin who is running for a fourth term for the Illinois State House of Representatives.

I shall miss my dozen emails every day from the Harris campaign, Democrats Abroad, Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama.

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[King Harold]

People taking notice of polling, just remember they have been wrong the 3 cycles at least.

 

[King Harold]

Good morning fellow circle jerkers
When you bow to a cultist leader :welcome to the circle jerk.

 

[BrisDog]

If Democrats win, but the Republicans hold the house. It will be the same old s**t. They will block every single policy, and blame the Democrats for not getting anything done. The US will just come to a stand still. The old GOP, would work in unison on most policy, and didn't hold the country hostage like the current mob do. They don't care about fellow Americans, they rather play politics. I never liked Bush, but at least things were not a circus under him or Obama. Both sides worked together for the betterment of the country.

I’m not sure, that would make it 4 losses in a row for Trump. Maybe Republican house members start to move back to common sense and show some bipartisan rationality.

Trump will be dead in the next 5 years at best. Then you are just left with a bloke in his early 40ms with a penchant for eyeliner.

 

[BrisDog]

Trump may well have lost Penn with his racist comedian at Maddison Square Garden calling Puerto Rico a ‘floating pile of garbage’. 200,000 registered PR voters in Penn.

 

[Royale]

I’m not sure, that would make it 4 losses in a row for Trump. Maybe Republican house members start to move back to common sense and show some bipartisan rationality.

Trump will be dead in the next 5 years at best. Then you are just left with a bloke in his early 40ms with a penchant for eyeliner.

You dont see the irony in your statement when they put a walking corpse in the office these previous 4 years with a DEI hire as his second in charge?

 

[manutd/dogs]

Harris' team have pulled $2m of ads from NC and redirected them to Virginia. Pretty tellling, I reckon. Surely VA couldn't be in play for the Republicans?

Also, huge swings to Republicans in early voting in Pennsylvania from 2020 numbers.

 

[Gold Coast Doggies]

Trump may well have lost Penn with his racist comedian at Maddison Square Garden calling Puerto Rico a ‘floating pile of garbage’. 200,000 registered PR voters in Penn.

My forecast for the election is Republicans will win around 300 electoral college votes, take control of both congress and senate. If this happens bitcoin will be trading at around $100k by xmas

 

[Fossie 32]

Two wrongs don’t make a right You dont see the irony in your statement when they put a walking corpse in the office these previous 4 years with a DEI hire as his second in charge?

 

[manutd/dogs]

Kamala's team have said no to Rogan, ostensibly because he had the audacity to ask her to travel to the same Joe Rogan studio that Trump travelled to to record an interview. And that he actually wants to have a normal long-form conversation with her, but she'll only commit to an hour at most, while Trump effortlessly did three.

I actually think Kamala wouldn't do as badly on Rogan as most think, but there is still a fair chance she could crash and burn. Apparently the Kamala team is still considering it. It sure is an interesting gamble at this late stage. If I was the Dems, I'd chance it, as the momentum seems to be with the Republicans at this late stage.

Meanwhile, JD Vance is going on there tomorrow. Smart move.

 

[Royale]

Id actually like to hear a long form conversation with Kamala. Joe has stated he's more looking to talk to her as a person and get to know her rather than policy. Which can only help.

 

[Pugz89]

Kamala's team have said no to Rogan, ostensibly because he had the audacity to ask her to travel to the same Joe Rogan studio that Trump travelled to to record an interview. And that he actually wants to have a normal long-form conversation with her, but she'll only commit to an hour at most, while Trump effortlessly did three.

I actually think Kamala wouldn't do as badly on Rogan as most think, but there is still a fair chance she could crash and burn. Apparently the Kamala team is still considering it. It sure is an interesting gamble at this late stage. If I was the Dems, I'd chance it, as the momentum seems to be with the Republicans at this late stage.

Meanwhile, JD Vance is going on there tomorrow. Smart move.

I think Harris team is wary of gotcha moments that could do more harm than good. Kamala went on the Call her Daddy pod the other week, but as far as I know, the chat was fairly basic and didn't dig too deep, much different to what can be expected from Joe.

 

[manutd/dogs]

Id actually like to hear a long form conversation with Kamala. Joe has stated he's more looking to talk to her as a person and get to know her rather than policy. Which can only help.

Same. I'd love to learn more about the person behind all the scripted talking points and her having grown up in a middle class family. Especially if she has a chance of ruling the free world for the next four years.