The Otherworldly Circus - The America Thread

[Pugz89]

Sorry Royale , I didn’t really answer your question.
I think this is possibly common ground.
Biden hasn’t done enough, they should have called Putins bluff.
We can go into more detail at another time, but yes a failing of this administration in my opinion.

Having said that ,Trumps power base are now Russia friendly, the Republican’s particularly in the house have been opposed to ongoing aid from the get go on Trumps orders.
He certainly has not helped in any way to support Ukraine and by extension end the conflict.
Why , answer is obvious to most.

Trump isn't in power though, so realistically what could he do to support Ukraine?

As for an earlier post, I am well aware that geopolitics is a moving feast, but all I was illustrating with the post was that he has actually been one of the more peaceful US presidents in the past 50 years, despite the narrative that he will cause WW3 when he is in office.

 

[King Harold]

Trump isn't in power though, so realistically what could he do to support Ukraine?

As for an earlier post, I am well aware that geopolitics is a moving feast, but all I was illustrating with the post was that he has actually been one of the more peaceful US presidents in the past 50 years, despite the narrative that he will cause WW3 when he is in office.

Who said he will cause WW3 if he gets back into office.

 

[Pugz89]

Who said he will cause WW3 if he gets back into office.

Plenty of people on socials. And plenty of people said he'd cause WW3 if he got into office in 2016 as well.

 

[Foxman98]

Plenty of people on socials. And plenty of people said he'd cause WW3 if he got into office in 2016 as well.

I'd point out the constant Hitler comparisons which might I point out is very disrespectful to the millions who were slaughter by his regime

 

[King Harold]

If it wasnt clear already, i'm leaning towards Trump just because I dont agree a lot with left leaning idealogy. That and Im a fascist nazi racist sexist homophobe. And whatever other label you can ascribe to someone who thinks differently. The biggest issue imo and its borne out in this echo chamber of a thread is the inability to accept that people think different. That people aren't a monolith.

This thread is quite the microcosm of leftist ideology.

For the record though, i'm ok with abortion laws being put back onto the states.

I think there should be more gun control in the US. Again, I think Australia has these laws correct. I can still get a gun if I want with some hurdles to jump and i'm restricted with the type of weapon I can get, that's ok imo.

In 2020 the Democratic party had much better candidates that I would've picked over Trump. Namely Andrew Yang and Tulsi Gabbard.

In 2016 i was aghast when Trump took office over Hillary. How could a TV personality become president over a career politician? That lead to an odyssey of doing my own research, and reaching different conclusions than those pedalled by mainstream media.

Now taken as a whole, in my opinion, what are the biggest problems in America? That's easy. Corporate Greed. Big Tech, Big Pharma / Medical Industrail Complex, Big College and the Military Industrial Complex. All these beauracrats throwing around money and campaign donations in order to further their own agendas. Squeezing the life out of Americans in anyway possible.

I think Trump at least acknowledges these issues, when he first campaigned to "drain the swamp" in 2016. And he's the only one talking to it now. Having RFK JnR join him makes absolute sense in this regard.

I like to think I have a more pragmatic view on things. I'm ok if you don't think the same.

I believe I am the same.
I have no ideology I follow no matter what. I have stated more times than I care to remember in this thread I have voted for both parties here many times.
As for the US domestic policies, well that’s for them, and we can talk about that another time, but Trumpism has taken them to some very dark places.

Where we have real disagreement is how much credit you are prepared to give Trump.
His closest advisors have told us over and over again , he thinks very little about anything and is totally transactional on what’s in it for him.
Watching him right through his initial candidacy ,has only confirmed for me that is 100% correct.
We have set a very very low bar if his character and past performance is acceptable now.

 

[Pugz89]

I believe I am the same.
I have no ideology I follow no matter what. I have stated more times than I care to remember in this thread I have voted for both parties here many times.
As for the US domestic policies, well that’s for them, and we can talk about that another time, but Trumpism has taken them to some very dark places.

Where we have real disagreement is how much credit you are prepared to give Trump.
His closest advisors have told us over and over again , he thinks very little about anything and is totally transactional on what’s in it for him.
Watching him right through his initial candidacy ,has only confirmed for me that is 100% correct.
We have set a very very low bar if his character and past performance is acceptable now.

Credit to you KH for engaging without getting personal. I tried engaging in this thread months back and just got shouted down, so didn't bother for a long time. I enjoy hearing other sides and discussing things that I may disagree about.

 

[King Harold]

I'd point out the constant Hitler comparisons which might I point out is very disrespectful to the millions who were slaughter by his regime

Agree Trump won’t gas millions of people, not for one moment do I think he is Hitler.
Bit hyperbolic, haven’t seen many saying he is Hitler on here , but happy to be proven wrong ?

“Rounding up political opponents” “executing Generals “ “ putting immigrants into camps “ “closing down media that is not friendly to you” or his spokesman ( the white nationalist) “ America is for Americans only “
The constant reference to vermin, rapist and murders when describing refugees.

Sounds very fascist to me. ( or perhaps look up the definition)

No Trumps not Hitler , but convince me he is not fond of a little bit of fascism.

 

[geoffjennings79]

Thanks NW. Having immediate family members who were victims of the German regime (I avoid even typing the "N" word as it disgusts me, and also avoid typing the name of their leader), the alignment to the principles, e.g. the words as you say, but also Trump's quest for the same "generals", is no coincidence. It's not like a single accidental overlap. It's been sustained alignment for some time.

I have never argued that Harris is a good candidate, but in the absence of a viable opponent, she becomes the default. There are several other better candidates (on both sides), but the situation isn't changing between now and Nov 5th.

Both sides pander to the Zionists in Israel. But only one side supports as much of a free world as possible under current geopolitical circumstances.

Anywho, only 7 days until the commencement of hostilities...

I'd point out the constant Hitler comparisons which might I point out is very disrespectful to the millions who were slaughter by his regime

Per my earlier post above, the comparisons are often from and generated by Trump, or Vance, or previous Trump administration staff. Or the actual word-for-word usage of speeches or quotes at his rallies.

Here's some context about my hatred for that regime, and anyone that tries to ride the coat tails of it (US or here).

My grandmother was killed by that regime, and my father spent 2 of his teen years in Dachau being firstly tortured (I won't go into details as it's too traumatic) and then used as slave labour, chroming aero engine parts (with no hint of PPE). As a 16yo malnourished and scared kid. He was incarcerated as a 'political prisoner' - he didn't even know what that meant as someone in his town dobbed him and a few mates in to the German occupiers of their land to save their own skin. And being a citizen of a German ally, the Red Cross parcels distributed to most of his fellow prisoners (POWs of various nations, civilians from many more nations) were never available to him. He was the 'enemy' even alongside fellow prisoners. Could have been worse though, his religion being RC. One of his mates was not so lucky, his religion led to a different part of the camp, and was never seen again.

My grandmother died while my dad was at Dachau, so she never knew if he survived or not. My father returned home in 1945 having walked from Dachau/Munich across the mountains to northern Italy. He arrived on the outskirts of his town to find his mother had been blown up a few weeks earlier. He never got over either experience.

I'm offended by any reference to that regime, which is why I refuse to ever type or utter the N word. Nor refer to their 'leader' by name, if I can possibly help it.

(In reference to Gaza and the broader region, I don't wish ill to people of Jewish faith, and I abhor the October 7 attack by Hamas. Totally condemn it. But I equally abhor and condemn the escalatory reprisal genocide being visited upon countless thousands of innocent Palestinians by the Zionist state of Israel. It's not a "war". It's not just genocide. It's gleeful, unfettered massacre, with cheerleaders around the globe. So on this issue, I'm equally disgusted by Biden, Trump and Harris. And Albanese and Dutton. They're all equally complicit. How any of them can look a Palestinian in the eye atm is beyond me.)

Anyway, bit of a ramble, but for anyone who cares, my personal history is the main, but not the only, reason I find Trump and his current acolytes to be a collection of odious human beings. Over and above the other pollies I mentioned above.

Not sure how long I'll leave this post here tbh. I've taken a while typing and editing it, probably reveals more about me and my family than I'd ever thought I'd share.

 

[King Harold]

Credit to you KH for engaging without getting personal. I tried engaging in this thread months back and just got shouted down, so didn't bother for a long time. I enjoy hearing other sides and discussing things that I may disagree about.

Look for me , I’m retired with a bit of time on my hands . So I am watching and reading a fair bit on the subject.
I hope people are not taking things personally.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and thank you , I appreciate your pat on the back for me.

But when someone tells me something is black when it’s easily provable it’s white , then I can lose patience.
It’s fair to say I have huge concerns about Trump, more for my grandchildren. Sure Trump won’t be around for ever, but we are setting the stage for a very ugly era in politics.
Australia will most likely follow.

 

[Fossie 32]

Thank you for sharing that geoffjennings79

 

[Fossie 32]

In case anyone thinks I'm some crazy leftie I only voted for either main party once [Jim Cairns ALP] and felt bad about that afterward so never again. I'm probs a little left of centre but that's all.

Just can't stand Trump and his crazies* !

* not all Reps

 

[yebach]

Sorry Royale , I didn’t really answer your question.
I think this is possibly common ground.
Biden hasn’t done enough, they should have called Putins bluff.
We can go into more detail at another time, but yes a failing of this administration in my opinion.

Having said that ,Trumps power base are now Russia friendly, the Republican’s particularly in the house have been opposed to ongoing aid from the get go on Trumps orders.
He certainly has not helped in any way to support Ukraine and by extension end the conflict.
Why , answer is obvious to most.

"He certainly has not helped in any way to support Ukraine and by extension end the conflict"

The goal is not to support Ukraine and end the conflict.

The current goal is to drag out the conflict and simultaneously bankrupt Russia and make trillions by building and selling bullets, bombs and rockets.

 

[Fossie 32]

Republicans are enraged their wives might 'secretly' vote for Harris

Right-wing Republicans are up in arms over a new campaign ad that reminds women their vote is private and they do not need to vote ...

www.dailykos.com

 

[glenashley]

Still don’t think she would endorse Trump.
I can’t find any reference ?

Chris Williamson pod a few days ago

 

[BrisDog]

In case anyone thinks I'm some crazy leftie I only voted for either main party once [Jim Cairns ALP] and felt bad about that afterward so never again. I'm probs a little left of centre but that's all.

Just can't stand Trump and his crazies* !

* not all Reps

Fossie - you’re perfect for the job as a Big Footy moderator. You’re objective, you’re not a snowflake and you obviously have an above average intellect.

It only makes sense that you hate Trump

 

[Fossie 32]

Fossie - you’re perfect for the job as a Big Footy moderator. You’re objective, you’re not a snowflake and you obviously have an above average intellect.

It only makes sense that you hate Trump

 

[BEaston]

I like to think I have a more pragmatic view on things. I'm ok if you don't think the same.

No, you'll just say that anyone that does operates in an echo chamber.

(in a thread littered with RW talking points, no less)

 

[Fossie 32]

No, you'll just say that anyone that does operates in an echo chamber.

(in a thread littered with RW talking points, no less)

OK from here nobody post anything that is 'having a go' at other posters, or however you want to define it, or it will be removed, as it just escalates.

Delete finger is getting itchy