Mega Thread The Western Bulldogs - The Sack Macca saga

[_Mike_]

The way we are playing it certainly would be a grind final

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[grassman75]

Hindsight would have been having Cameron on the ground while Jarman was tearing our backline a new arseh*le rather than having him warm the wood.. But yeah, I agree.

Couldn't agree to Wallace coming back

or you mean Smith on Robran....there's some tactical game day coaching nous for you. But I digress

 

[jamesDP]

even moreso if we sack BM now

some things in life are not easy, and I am sure we can find a few dollars for BM.

 

[jamesDP]

or you mean Smith on Robran....there's some tactical game day coaching nous for you. But I digress

well, probably as good as all the moves McCartney has made since being coach.....cannot seem to recall any!

 

[_Mike_]

or you mean Smith on Robran....there's some tactical game day coaching nous for you. But I digress

Either way, it was a major screw up having Cameron on the bench in the last quarter, but that's history

 

[jamesDP]

Either way, it was a major screw up having Cameron on the bench in the last quarter, but that's history

He wouldn't be the only coach of the bulldogs that has made errors in finals, but he did turn a team that finished 2nd last to play in the finals, whether tactically he got it wrong on some occasions, I would rather be enjoying my football than watching the abysmal performance that was thrown up last night, the 2nd quarter was dreadful, and I didn't see McCartney making any great tactical moves to stop this, 2nd half was better but damage was done.

 

[_Mike_]

He wouldn't be the only coach of the bulldogs that has made errors in finals, but he did turn a team that finished 2nd last to play in the finals, whether tactically he got it wrong on some occasions, I would rather be enjoying my football than watching the abysmal performance that was thrown up last night, the 2nd quarter was dreadful, and I didn't see McCartney making any great tactical moves to stop this, 2nd half was better but damage was done.

The epitome of this club... I will give it to Eade, his brand was a nice flowing game, even with its flaws. Better than what we see now IMO

 

[Trent85]

He wouldn't be the only coach of the bulldogs that has made errors in finals, but he did turn a team that finished 2nd last to play in the finals, whether tactically he got it wrong on some occasions, I would rather be enjoying my football than watching the abysmal performance that was thrown up last night, the 2nd quarter was dreadful, and I didn't see McCartney making any great tactical moves to stop this, 2nd half was better but damage was done.

Lol you seriously making the case for Wallace to come back? LOL for real??

He stopped carrying about club when he realised 97 and 98 was his best chance for a flag at the dogs. So he tried out for the Swans job thought he was going to piss it in told the club he lost his passion for coaching.... (Also still to this day he still blames the players and takes no responsibility for 97 and 98 when we fell short...) However it came out that he was inline for the Swans job so the players staged a coup d'etat and knifed him.

That Terry Wallace you want back at the club?? LOL

Yeah good job Wallace you finished what Wheeler had started.



Ironically if he stuck around instead of saying our youth sucked maybe 07-10 would of went different....

 

[TheHoneyBadger]

I'm waiting for the whitewash at Essendon to finish, Hird to go back and Bomber Thompspn to make a move to our club to coach.

As a famous man once said... I had a dream..... A dream that the colours red white and blue would fly victorious on the hallowed turf of the MCG on grind final day.. Etc

Bomber's not going to be at Essendon next year. Wouldn't surprise me if Hird isn't, either.

Need to go after Bomber.

 

[jamesDP]

Lol you seriously making the case for Wallace to come back? LOL for real??

He stopped carrying about club when he realised 97 and 98 was his best chance for a flag at the dogs. So he tried out for the Swans job thought he was going to piss it in told the club he lost his passion for coaching.... (Also still to this day he still blames the players and takes no responsibility for 97 and 98 when we fell short...) However it came out that he was inline for the Swans job so the players staged a coup d'etat and knifed him.

That Terry Wallace you want back at the club?? LOL

Yeah good job Wallace you finished what Wheeler had started.

Lol you seriously making the case for Wallace to come back? LOL for real??

He stopped carrying about club when he realised 97 and 98 was his best chance for a flag at the dogs. So he tried out for the Swans job thought he was going to piss it in told the club he lost his passion for coaching.... (Also still to this day he still blames the players and takes no responsibility for 97 and 98 when we fell short...) However it came out that he was inline for the Swans job so the players staged a coup d'etat and knifed him.

That Terry Wallace you want back at the club?? LOL

Yeah good job Wallace you finished what Wheeler had started.

just an opinion, and why not the Pres came back! Perhaps he has got a bit older and wiser. I would have the Wallace days back anytime, least we could go to a game and pretty well get a win, nowadays, we have nothing to hang our hats on, even your mate the Joker would probably have more moves up his sleeve.

 

[Trent85]

just an opinion, and why not the Pres came back! Perhaps he has got a bit older and wiser. I would have the Wallace days back anytime, least we could go to a game and pretty well get a win, nowadays, we have nothing to hang our hats on, even your mate the Joker would probably have more moves up his sleeve.

Lol his own players (some of those players he played with I might add) staged a coup against him. As for being older and wiser how did he go at Richmond??? So you want the 2001-02 days back do you?

 

[archibald23]

Agree with the sentiment of this loss undermining the general confidence in Macca as coach. However, I think his recruitment and development is still sound, so we should let him see out his contract. His game day coaching is woeful, and he definitely cannot get the players up for a game, or have them passionate about their craft. But we are bringing the right people in, and the majority of our players are improving under him, just not the team .

Additional note: I acknowledge Minson, Griff and Cooney have gone backwards, but I think all three are effected by injury.

 

[Anja_Nees]

Again, I don't advocate McCartney's sacking but while the specifics of any one coach's contract aren't public, Liam Pickering suggested on radio a few months back that their contracts now often contain payout clauses for early termination. I other words, if they areto be sacked its often the case the payout is significantly less than the whole.

I don't know if that's the case with McCartney but in short the signing of coaches on long term deals like this is effectively PR a lot of the time. I suspect clubs have learned from mistakes made in recent years. We can't be sure that's the deal with McCartney but it probably is, in which case it would not be as costly as some here think to sack him.

 

[cleveland]

David Moyes was sacked 1 year into a 5 year deal and was paid out 1 years salary

 

[LukasTheGreat]

David Moyes was sacked 1 year into a 5 year deal and was paid out 1 years salary

He took us from the title to our lowest finish in over 30 years, it's a bit of a difference.

 

[Igloo]

He took us from the title to our lowest finish in over 30 years, it's a bit of a difference.

Not to mention that soccer is an entirely different kettle of fish.

That comparison has already been made a while ago, and was quite rightly laughed down.

 

[grassman75]

And the star player and coach / manager already had history....

 

[cleveland]

He took us from the title to our lowest finish in over 30 years, it's a bit of a difference.

What I mean is obviously there was a payout clause in his contract

 

[cleveland]

Not to mention that soccer is an entirely different kettle of fish.

That comparison has already been made a while ago, and was quite rightly laughed down.

Before u laugh it down read above

 

[100action]

iam Pickering suggested on radio a few months back that their contracts now often contain payout clauses for early termination. I other words, if they areto be sacked its often the case the payout is significantly less than the whole.

I don't know if that's the case with McCartney but in short the signing of coaches on long term deals like this is effectively PR a lot of the time.

Man that is extremely shrewd, why didnt i think of that?

That contractual clause addresses the age old question:

Despite poor performances do you extend the contract of the coach for stability or do you not extend and have the flexibility to find a coach at seasons end?

 

[LukasTheGreat]

What I mean is obviously there was a payout clause in his contract

There was, but there won't be in McCartney's.

 

[cleveland]

There was, but there won't be in McCartney's.

U dont think?

 

[immortalmike]

The above is just more spin after more spin I heard Carro on 3AW today and apparently the cats had BM as a future leader in the development side and even the thought of him building and creating his own department in that area, but they never saw him as a stand alone coach it was Mark Thompson who convinced him that he should look into the area of coaching not the Cats

 

[Anja_Nees]

There was, but there won't be in McCartney's.

If there isn't then I'd like to play poker with whoever negotiated his contract for the club.

I don't want to be negative and still would much rather see the man try to work his way out of this hole. The reality is though that his win/loss is 1% better than Tim Watson, 2% better than Dean Bailey and Matthew Primus and a whopping 8% better than Peter Rohde. It's worse than Kevin Bartlett.

Despite the fact he has put an emphasis on contested ball, we were considerably better at it statistically under Rocket and are actually poor in this area this season. We are also leaking goals and aren't scoring. Despite the fact we had some capable young ball winners and some decent older ones at the time he took over, we have drafted more one paced ball winning types and have barely any silky (and quick) players coming through.

While many on this site have claimed he inherited a basket case of a list (and there's no doubt it had its share of list cloggers) the reality is that it had Griffen, Cooney, Boyd, Murphy, Gia, Picken, Morris and Minson (all of whom are still playing good footy three years on) and that Wallis, Wood, Grant, Dahlhaus, Libba and Roughead had all been given a start by the time he took over. Sure some have missed footy through injury etc but generally all are available now. It wasn't a completely hopeles list. He has also had picks 4,5 and 6 at his disposal in recent drafts despite the fact they were compromised.

I've never called for him to be sacked and have generally disagreed with those who have so far as I thought he deserved a chance. It was always going to take time to see results. The reality is most of us would have expected more after 2.5 seasons and aside from six weeks of decent footy there's been little to show for it so far. The evidence suggests what he is trying isn't really working.

 

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