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Those cheating Bombers!
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This is no different to Essendon paying Michael Long $20K for a piece of Aboriginal artwork painted by Mr. Long himself.
Sure, it was just a stick figure, but one mans scribble is another mans art.
Who knows, maybe in 50 years it will be worth a fortune.
Sure, it was just a stick figure, but one mans scribble is another mans art.
Who knows, maybe in 50 years it will be worth a fortune.
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Legitimate ways to rort the salary cap maybe, but legitimate in a business sense not a chance. All they did with the net real estate they allegedly paid over 100k for is let the domain name registrations lapse. I wonder if i go and register mattlloyd again if I can sell it to the EFC.
If they didn't do anything but follow whatever agreement they had with the AFL to the letter, they will have no trouble. If they deviated at all they will be in trouble, as their is no doubt in hindsight to anyone that it was only a salary cap rort.
That would be cyber squatting, so no. Even if you did register MatthewLloyd.com it wouldn't be worth anything to them in that sense (business wise), as a .com.au domains only be purchased by someone or a business with an ABN number. I do recall someone buying eddiemcguire.com a few years back and trying to sell it to eddie for a few grand.
Unless you tried to sell them your own name...
I did a quick check - the combinations are all gone anyway. Snapped up by a search traffic aggregation company (the bane of the web).
Geelong 1995 Premiers
Melbourne 2000 Premiers
and West Coast 1991 premiers(if anyone can prove Jarman got $50g under the table to sign!)
OK the last one is streching it a bit but not a bad deterrent, makes you wonder if people can afford to run things by the book, this under the table stuff must save them money somehow.
Melbourne 2000 Premiers
and West Coast 1991 premiers(if anyone can prove Jarman got $50g under the table to sign!)
OK the last one is streching it a bit but not a bad deterrent, makes you wonder if people can afford to run things by the book, this under the table stuff must save them money somehow.
A check has revealed that the sites do not exist (done by a computer geek friend)and that Essendon paid Hird NOT to have a site (source FoxFooty). And they reckon they weren't cheating. What a classic. They are gone for all money, It is as about as blatant as it gets.
If the AFL approved why is it now being investigated?
Next up Buckleys contract at Nine
If the AFL approved why is it now being investigated?
Next up Buckleys contract at Nine
Originally posted by M29
Which part of the line AFL approved did you not understand?
If the AFL approved it, why do they have to investigate it?
Found guilty without a trial, and on April fools day too.
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where there's smoke, there's fire:
AFL questions Essendon deals
By Caroline Wilson
April 02 2003
Internet deals with Essendon superstars James Hird and Matthew Lloyd have caused the the club to come under scrutiny by the AFL for potential salary cap breaches.
The Bombers' failure to lodge the payments - and an extra merchandising agreement with Lloyd - could result in the club facing its second salary-cap investigation in five years, along with the prospect of further fines and draft penalties and the loss of premiership points.
But the club last night vigorously defended the league inquiries and pointed to legal advice that dictated that the payments to Hird and Lloyd were commercial agreements clearly outside the sphere of the AFL salary cap.
Angry Bombers chief executive Peter Jackson also hit out at "the mischievous rumours circulating recently regarding other senior players at the club and alleged undisclosed payments made to them".
"We emphatically deny these rumours," said Jackson. "They are completely without foundation."
In a dispute that could bring the club and the AFL to court, the league has questioned Essendon's failure to lodge the five-figure payments under rules that stipulate that any agreement between a player and a club not lodged with the AFL within seven days is deemed as falling under the salary cap.
The league inquiries have centred around an agreement to license the domain names James Hird.com and Matthew Lloyd.com with the Bombers' internet provider i7. The Bombers vigorously argued with the AFL in 2001 that the licence fee for Lloyd should not fall under the additional services agreement clause because the payment did not cover marketing or promotion.
The Bombers said the payment would prevent Lloyd from setting up a rival website in competition with the Bombers. A further agreement with Lloyd gives the champion full-forward royalties for merchandise sold from the club's retail outlet.
The Lloyd deals were signed before the start of the 2002 season with his former manager Ricky Nixon, while Hird's annual agreement - which also kicked off last season - was overseen by the latter's manager Ben Crowe.
Crowe said last night: "James Hird is not under investigation by the AFL and the AFL was aware of the agreement between James and i7 . . . and had no problem with that."
The AFL first contacted Nixon and Jackson late last week.
Essendon chairman Graeme McMahon said from the Gold Coast last night that the club would also look at issuing legal writs against any party airing unsubstantiated allegations against the club and alleged salary-cap breaches.
The league's investigations manager, Ken Wood, who is to oversee a thorough and random audit of all AFL clubs, yesterday asked Jackson whether he was aware of any irregular payments made to other Essendon players.
Jackson is understood to have checked a series of allegations involving those players and returned to Wood with a vehement denial.
"The Essendon Football Club, while I'm there, would not knowingly breach the salary cap in any way, shape or form," said McMahon. "As far as Hird and Lloyd are concerned, we have done nothing wrong.
"We were advised by telephone by the AFL that they were making inquiries and Peter had informal talks with Ken Wood.
"We have not been informed of any investigation. In fact, I'm inclined to invite the AFL to come down and study all of our books just to make that clear."
Even the suggestion of impropriety is a devastating blow to the Bombers' hierarchy, which has worked to rebuild its reputation since 1998 when the club was exposed as salary-cap cheats.
After the subsequent AFL investigation, the Bombers were fined $276,000 for breaches that took place between 1992 and 1996. The club was also stripped of its two opening draft picks going into 2000 and was banned from taking part in the 1999 pre-season and rookie drafts.
One of the presidents during that period, David Shaw, was forced off the commission.
Jackson also said last night that he would welcome an AFL audit.
AFL questions Essendon deals
By Caroline Wilson
April 02 2003
Internet deals with Essendon superstars James Hird and Matthew Lloyd have caused the the club to come under scrutiny by the AFL for potential salary cap breaches.
The Bombers' failure to lodge the payments - and an extra merchandising agreement with Lloyd - could result in the club facing its second salary-cap investigation in five years, along with the prospect of further fines and draft penalties and the loss of premiership points.
But the club last night vigorously defended the league inquiries and pointed to legal advice that dictated that the payments to Hird and Lloyd were commercial agreements clearly outside the sphere of the AFL salary cap.
Angry Bombers chief executive Peter Jackson also hit out at "the mischievous rumours circulating recently regarding other senior players at the club and alleged undisclosed payments made to them".
"We emphatically deny these rumours," said Jackson. "They are completely without foundation."
In a dispute that could bring the club and the AFL to court, the league has questioned Essendon's failure to lodge the five-figure payments under rules that stipulate that any agreement between a player and a club not lodged with the AFL within seven days is deemed as falling under the salary cap.
The league inquiries have centred around an agreement to license the domain names James Hird.com and Matthew Lloyd.com with the Bombers' internet provider i7. The Bombers vigorously argued with the AFL in 2001 that the licence fee for Lloyd should not fall under the additional services agreement clause because the payment did not cover marketing or promotion.
The Bombers said the payment would prevent Lloyd from setting up a rival website in competition with the Bombers. A further agreement with Lloyd gives the champion full-forward royalties for merchandise sold from the club's retail outlet.
The Lloyd deals were signed before the start of the 2002 season with his former manager Ricky Nixon, while Hird's annual agreement - which also kicked off last season - was overseen by the latter's manager Ben Crowe.
Crowe said last night: "James Hird is not under investigation by the AFL and the AFL was aware of the agreement between James and i7 . . . and had no problem with that."
The AFL first contacted Nixon and Jackson late last week.
Essendon chairman Graeme McMahon said from the Gold Coast last night that the club would also look at issuing legal writs against any party airing unsubstantiated allegations against the club and alleged salary-cap breaches.
The league's investigations manager, Ken Wood, who is to oversee a thorough and random audit of all AFL clubs, yesterday asked Jackson whether he was aware of any irregular payments made to other Essendon players.
Jackson is understood to have checked a series of allegations involving those players and returned to Wood with a vehement denial.
"The Essendon Football Club, while I'm there, would not knowingly breach the salary cap in any way, shape or form," said McMahon. "As far as Hird and Lloyd are concerned, we have done nothing wrong.
"We were advised by telephone by the AFL that they were making inquiries and Peter had informal talks with Ken Wood.
"We have not been informed of any investigation. In fact, I'm inclined to invite the AFL to come down and study all of our books just to make that clear."
Even the suggestion of impropriety is a devastating blow to the Bombers' hierarchy, which has worked to rebuild its reputation since 1998 when the club was exposed as salary-cap cheats.
After the subsequent AFL investigation, the Bombers were fined $276,000 for breaches that took place between 1992 and 1996. The club was also stripped of its two opening draft picks going into 2000 and was banned from taking part in the 1999 pre-season and rookie drafts.
One of the presidents during that period, David Shaw, was forced off the commission.
Jackson also said last night that he would welcome an AFL audit.
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Seemed to me at the time, and now too, the domain rights payments were a rort. Albeit an AFL approved rort.
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Anyone that is happy with their club partaking in AFL-approved rorting loses their right to complain about Brisbane and/or Sydney.
nuffin is gonna happen even if guilty
AFL has already helped carlton come closer the the abyss they wouldnt play with the future of a second power house team.
Next if too many clubs are pinged for cheating its just proof that the salary cup doesnt work
all a load of hogwash in the end there are 16 clubs cheatin and a heck of a lot more white collars taking money
AFL has already helped carlton come closer the the abyss they wouldnt play with the future of a second power house team.
Next if too many clubs are pinged for cheating its just proof that the salary cup doesnt work
all a load of hogwash in the end there are 16 clubs cheatin and a heck of a lot more white collars taking money
If every club had an extra $600,000 to offer their players, then there wouldn't be any reason for clubs to find ways of trying to keep their stars at the club.
Hardwick we love you & didn't want you to go, but we had no choice, because of the salary cap, too many stars in one team.
Hardwick we love you & didn't want you to go, but we had no choice, because of the salary cap, too many stars in one team.
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If Essendon get found guilty of any misdoings here, the AFL will be opening up a huge new can of worms....... and there would be more than just the odd club with a few worries on their hands.
Already two of the Power Victorian clubs have been implicated (Carlton, and now allegations of Essendon). I would suggest we all shoudnt be casting stones until our clubs are investigated and given a tick.
Previously their have been "rumours" of interesting and very beneficial property dealings by player(s) at one club.
The next step will be players being investigated for away from football incomes, i.e. money being payed to players for "work" at other companies which is not in line with expected remunerations. .... and players being investigated who have spouses in token jobs, but getting paid a pretty penny.
Already two of the Power Victorian clubs have been implicated (Carlton, and now allegations of Essendon). I would suggest we all shoudnt be casting stones until our clubs are investigated and given a tick.
Previously their have been "rumours" of interesting and very beneficial property dealings by player(s) at one club.
The next step will be players being investigated for away from football incomes, i.e. money being payed to players for "work" at other companies which is not in line with expected remunerations. .... and players being investigated who have spouses in token jobs, but getting paid a pretty penny.
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McMahon is a tool, however even he couldn't be stupid enough to continually bleat in public about the salary cap concessions afforded Brisbane and Sydney whilst rorting the system himself.
Stealing food from the Windy Hill Canteen is another issue........
Stealing food from the Windy Hill Canteen is another issue........
hear,hear,and tosser he has made of himself and the bombers now its the lions turn to go for the throat all we need now is to get something on the eddies and life will be grand !!!!
