Elmer_Hauser
Celtics 2-0
I could see him being a good player for The Suns, unfortunately I think his contract may be a problem for them.
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I could see him being a good player for The Suns, unfortunately I think his contract may be a problem for them.
Mind you, each one addresses a specific list deficiency and majority of them are comfortably hard-working, honest types which suits the type of culture Collingwood are trying to build.
It's really not. I don't see him fitting in too well with the surging Macrae gameplan, just as he wouldn't have with us. The days for slow, one dimensional extractors with no other tricks are done IMO.
Wouldn't hawthorn pay it?
Without looking it up I'd say Newcombe and Taylor Adams would compare fairly well
Hawks midfield got slapped all year, league 18th...yet shifted out their best clearance player. Hmm...
Why didn't they trade him last year then?
They are terrible comparisons. Wines and Cripps have far greater impact than Mitchell does and both are much bigger bodies. Neale has become much more well rounded and impactful in the last few seasons. He used to be a kick chaser.Respectfully disagree. You need both.
Ollie Wines is a slow inside bull and won the Brownlow last year. Cripps may be taller but is slow as treacle and won the Brownlow this year. Geelong is full of slow midfielders and just romped in the premiership. Lachie Neale is not explosive either and destroyed your midfield in a final.
In fact, I saw your comparison to Matt Crouch but this comparison is disingenuous. Crouch has been mostly playing SANFL. He's had one decent season in his career and not won a single league wide award.
Tom Mitchell is a multiple All Australian, a Brownlow medallist, an MVP winner, 3 B&F's and has been top 10 in the Brownlow 3 times (top 3 twice). It's like comparing Max Lynch and Jon Ceglar because they're "similar types".
Lachie Neale is also a multiple All Australian, Brownlow medallist, MVP winner, 4 B&F's and has been top 10 in the Brownlow 3 times (top 3 twice). His record (and playing style) is almost identical to Tom Mitchell.
Would you say Lachie Neale has no place in the modern game?
McStay is a great up pick for Collingwood, its just the bloody cost of it. Hill is the one I'm not 100% sure is a need, but can see Wright's angle with it, as we don't necessarily have enough super-speedy smalls that can crumb and pressure.Mitchell does, mcstay does (much as hes overpaid), hill maybe does. Im not convinced framptoon does hes barely a state league level player.
Can you please elaborate on what you mean by greater impact? What are the KPIs that validate that view exactly? Also, what does the bigger body argument even have to do with it? lol Mitchell is still a veeeery good inside midfielder that wins CP and clearances...They are terrible comparisons. Wines and Cripps have far greater impact than Mitchell does and both are much bigger bodies. Neale has become much more well rounded and impactful in the last few seasons. He used to be a kick chaser.
I mean watch them play. Mitchells and Neales stats wouldn't be too far apart on paper but in reality Neale is a much, much better player. Wines and Cripps are bulls. They draw in 2 or 3 players, stand up in a tackle and dish it off. Mitchell fires off a handball and looks for another handball receive then rinse and repeat. It is alot easier to shut down.Can you please elaborate on what you mean by greater impact? What are the KPIs that validate that view exactly? Also, what does the bigger body argument even have to do with it? lol Mitchell is still a veeeery good inside midfielder that wins CP and clearances...
They are terrible comparisons. Wines and Cripps have far greater impact than Mitchell does and both are much bigger bodies. Neale has become much more well rounded and impactful in the last few seasons. He used to be a kick chaser.
Read for yourselfGo look at the data. Lachie Neale is perceived now as significantly better mostly because his team is better. Go look at his stats - they're basically identical to what they have always been. Someone has 30 touches and 10 clearances and their team lose and people say "ineffective", "couldn't affect the result" and other ignorant stuff. Someone plays the exact same and their team win and suddenly the same player is perceived as a match winner.
Tom Mitchell is actually a decent example of this (just like Neale). Hawthorn finish top 4 and he sweeps every award and is perceived by most to be the best player in the game. Similarly impactful in others seasons but Hawthorn struggle and he is an "ineffective stat padder".
Also don't know how you can say Neale is a "terrible comparison". The are the same age, they play the same position, they were drafted the same year, they are a similar height and weight, they have similar attributes, they're awards (as already shown) are basically identical, their career averages in nearly every stat is almost exactly the same. Who is a better comparison in the entire league? Matt Crouch? I 've already demonstrated how laughable that is.
Read for yourself
‘Better than I was’: Neale reveals crucial body transformation that’s elevated him past record season
‘Wasn’t able to have as many beers’: Lions star opens up on shock body transformationwww.foxsports.com.au
Yeah....just no where near as goodYes, thank you. It is a puff piece that basically says he has dropped 3 kgs and improved in 2022 from 2021 (which is not surprising given his injury concerns and poor form in 2021). It incidentally highlights he was probably better in 2020 than 2022 (which all empirical evidence would back up).
The same could have been said of Tom Mitchell last year. He got over some injury concerns, improved significantly on a less impactful 2020 (where he still got big numbers but was having less impact following leg break and shoulder issues) and returned to top form in the second half of the year - shunting him into the AA squad and finishing top 6 in the Brownlow (with the most votes in the 2nd half of the year) - but still not quite at 2018 level (just like Neale's 2022 was still not quite his 2020 level).
Am I saying Tom Mitchell was as good as Neale in 2022? Of course not! But they ARE comparable players. They DO play very similarly and have near identical career records, stats and playing style. The idea that Mitchell can't play the modern game is ridiculous - just as it would be if you said the same of Neale. I also think if you put Mitchell in the Brisbane midfield and you put Neale as a "pinch hitter" in the Hawthorn midfield, you would be saying the inverse. and before you say that Hawthorn wouldn't do that with Neale, remember that Mitchell had a better and more impactful 2021 than what Neale did. They also moved Wingard and O'Meara out of the middle too (who are the opposite of "stat padders") - it has nothing to do with the type of player they are and everything to do with being future focussed.
Yeah....just no where near as good
If he was as good as you think the Hawks wouldn't be pushing him out the door and paying part of his salary to do so. Even rebuilding teams need a decent core or you have a season like North and that is the last thing clubs want or need.OH goodness. How does one ignore the whole emphasis of the post to focus on this one part. 2022 doesn't define Tom Mitchell (when played out of position), just as 2021 doesn't define Lachie Neale. This time last year, people would have said: 1. Mitchell, 2. Neale, 3. Cripps (with Wines clearly ahead of all 3) on the year. This season was basically the exact opposite.
In fact, both players broke out to be elite around 2017. IN the 6 seasons from then until now, Mitchell has been better in 3 (2017, 2018 and 2021) and Neale has been better in 3 (2019, 2020 and 2022) - remembering that Mitchell played 0 games in 2019 and was recovering from a double leg break in 2020.
Their career accolades are almost identical. Mitchell is ahead on nearly every stat over their careers - even the impact ones. You've also said Mitchell's style is easier to shut down, even though Neale has proven to be much more affected by a tag than what Mitchell is. and you suggested Neale wouldn't be rotated out of the Hawthorn midfield, even though this was a strategy implemented in the off season after Mitchell's year was obviously better and more impactful than Neale's.
If he does go to Collingwood, I think you'll be surprised (though he will always have his (unfair) detractors, just as Neale, Merrett and others do).
If he was as good as you think the Hawks wouldn't be pushing him out the door and paying part of his salary to do so. Even rebuilding teams need a decent core or you have a season like North and that is the last thing clubs want or need.
If he was as good as you think the Hawks wouldn't be pushing him out the door and paying part of his salary to do so. Even rebuilding teams need a decent core or you have a season like North and that is the last thing clubs want or need.
Exactly. North isn't pushing out Cunnington, Eagles isn't pushing out Shuey, etc etc.
Why?
Nope they need a inside mid accumulater. Although I agree about the game style but where did Richmond really struggle with in 21 & 22? Centre bouce/stoppage clearances, hence why we're going all chips in for TT & JH.Not the sort of player Pies need. Won't fit their attacking, fast ball movement.
Fiorini, Mitchell, Frampton, McStay and Hill. My god that's an underwhelming group of ins
We could've had Mitchell last year if we wanted him. Taranto and Hopper are much better fits for us....and any other team.Nope they need a inside mid accumulater. Although I agree about the game style but where did Richmond really struggle with in 21 & 22? Centre bouce/stoppage clearances, hence why we're going all chips in for TT & JH.
The ones I do not understand is the McStay & Hill ones but remember they're getting McStay for free essentially. Hill is the most confusing as they have such good smalls ready with Elliot & Ginni ect. Frampton is just KP depth will cost a bag of crisps.