List Mgmt. Trade and F/A - Part 3

[partypie]

Matt Crouch likely to explore his options as a RFA

How much will the groin transplant cost on top? You're not paying him any sort of decent money without it.

 

[Shannin]

My worry is we’re asleep at the wheel, cos we need to save further $ in our cap....

Did Ned Guy pay everyone min 500k a year? Another non active trade period will confirm you are correct.

 

[TakingThePies]

Cox: ~$500k
Thomas: unknown, probably ~$400k?
Mayne: unknown, probably ~$300k
Greenwood: unknown, probably ~$150k
Sier: unknown, probably ~$200k

I think $2m is quite generous, and $3m is nigh on impossible. These are just my estimations, but I can't imagine the latter 3 are paid much more than that.

No player gets paid under 300k..

 

[Quicky]

I don't think Lynch's rumoured contract extension means anything for Grundy. We need him as ruck depth behind Gryndy/Cameron until Begg is ready.

If I was Lynch I'd definitely be going elsewhere though.

But I mean if you traded Grundy to North for Pick 1...

I reckon they've got Begg earmarked as a KPP not ruck.

 

[sr36]

No player gets paid under 300k..

Yes they do.

 

[Quicky]

That doesn't equate to Maynard going. There will be others offloaded before Maynard, l would guarantee that...

I reckon the risk is if Maynard wants out. It's not whether we can accomodate him.

 

[TradeDraft]

I reckon he would be if he put himself out there. There are several clubs who need a solid backup ruck for now and will need a #1 ruck in 1-2 years time.

Then he might be just happy to stay at Collingwood being a Back-Up Ruckman like he be at other Clubs

 

[TakingThePies]

Yes they do.

Not at our club, unless on Rookie list.

 

[Horaceg]

Thats a lot of forwards
McKay, Curnow, McGovern, Riccardi

He had 41 possessions playing in the back half earlier, might be an option

 

[Billys Back]

"The Giants and Blues have a lengthy trade history, with 11 players moving from the western Sydney club to Carlton over the past decade: Kristian Jaksch

Kristian Jaksch

Age

29

Ht

195cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.4

2star

K

6.4

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

3.5

4star

T

1.3

3star

MG

212.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

7.4

2star

K

5.2

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.2

3star

, Mark Whiley

Mark Whiley

Age

31

Ht

188cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.2

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

5.1

4star

M

2.3

2star

T

4.6

5star

CL

2.3

4star

No current season stats available

D

9.4

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

3.6

4star

T

4.4

5star

CL

0.8

3star

, Jed Lamb

Jed Lamb

Age

31

Ht

181cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.3

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.4

4star

G

0.7

4star

No current season stats available

D

6.8

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

1.8

2star

M

1.0

1star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.2

3star

, Andrew Phillips, Lachie Plowman, Liam Sumner

Liam Sumner

Age

30

Ht

178cm

Wt

74kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.8

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.4

3star

M

2.2

2star

T

2.4

4star

G

0.6

4star

No current season stats available

D

11.6

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

0.8

4star

, Caleb Marchbank, Jarrod Pickett

Jarrod Pickett

Age

27

Ht

178cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.8

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

3.1

3star

M

1.9

2star

T

2.4

4star

G

0.5

3star

No current season stats available

D

8.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

3.2

3star

M

2.2

3star

T

2.2

4star

G

0.4

3star

, Matthew Kennedy, Will Setterfield

12

Will Setterfield

Age

26

Ht

192cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.3

4star

K

9.5

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.6

5star

CL

1.8

4star

D

14.0

3star

K

8.9

4star

HB

5.1

3star

M

1.9

2star

T

4.4

5star

CL

2.9

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.8

5star

CL

1.4

4star

and Zac Williams (free agent)."

Oh dear.....

 

[Apex36]

No player gets paid under 300k..

Maybe in your own fantasy world they dont.

 

[Jen2310]

There are players under 300k, usually would be rookies I would think.

The average senior primary list player would get between 250-350k. Mid tier around 400k. 500-600k would be your upper tier then of course you have your elite tier above 600k.

This is my assumption. Without salaries being known, we're guessing.

 

[Everybody Panic]

Cox: ~$500k
Thomas: unknown, probably ~$400k?
Mayne: unknown, probably ~$300k
Greenwood: unknown, probably ~$150k
Sier: unknown, probably ~$200k

I think $2m is quite generous, and $3m is nigh on impossible. These are just my estimations, but I can't imagine the latter 3 are paid much more than that.

It depends when they signed. Isn't the average Afl wage around the 250 to 300k mark? Sier for example played in a grand final and looked to be on the up.

 

[Go Woods]

I reckon they've got Begg earmarked as a KPP not ruck.

Bloody hope so!

 

[Prochard123]

How did we go from offloading Stephenson treloar Phillips atu to have the cash to make a big play on bont/Merrett/Kelly to needing to trade more players to be within the cap...

someone is lying and I suspect it’s our list management team trying to save face from last year lol

 

[HeathySure]

Cox
Thomas
Mayne
Greenwood
Sier ( i think with Lynch staying, could re think his position, but fairly certain after being told, he won't be at Pies next year)

Thats potentially almost 2-3m out.

If this is the case our salary cap is about $220 million

 

[HeathySure]

No player gets paid under 300k..

at least 50 percent of the list gets under 250k

 

[cityslick1]

Looks like Cerra will go to Carlton

Carlton killing us on list management / salaries... so frustrating. If they land a decent coach, heaven help us.

How they can fit Walsh, Weitering, Cripps, Saad, McKay, Williams, Jones, Martin, Curnow, Curnow, Marchbank and all of their B grade midfielders into the cap, with space for Cerra... makes us look like absolute amateurs.

 

[Rebuilder]

Carlton killing us on list management / salaries... so frustrating. If they land a decent coach, heaven help us.

How they can fit Walsh, Weitering, Cripps, Saad, McKay, Williams, Jones, Martin, Curnow, Curnow, Marchbank and all of their B grade midfielders into the cap, with space for Cerra... makes us look like absolute amateurs.

And they need to offer Cerra 800K to be competitive with Freo's offer (750K).

 

[partypie]

Carlton killing us on list management / salaries... so frustrating. If they land a decent coach, heaven help us.

How they can fit Walsh, Weitering, Cripps, Saad, McKay, Williams, Jones, Martin, Curnow, Curnow, Marchbank and all of their B grade midfielders into the cap, with space for Cerra... makes us look like absolute amateurs.

You're joking, right?

They're going down the exact same path that we did, except that every single buy they've made recently hasn't made them any better whereas we were theoretically still in a (brief) premiership window.

The Harry McKay / Jacob Weitering sweepstakes are going to be interesting in a couple of years time when Carlton are still rubbish and their cap is in worse shape than ours that's for sure.

 

[cityslick1]

You're joking, right?

They're going down the exact same path that we did, except that every single buy they've made recently hasn't made them any better whereas we were theoretically still in a (brief) premiership window.

The Harry McKay / Jacob Weitering sweepstakes are going to be interesting in a couple of years time when Carlton are still rubbish and their cap is in worse shape than ours that's for sure.

agree that the Martin deal was terrible, and that others have misfired, but how they can still vy for big trades with all of those highly paid players on their list p*sses me off. They just havent had to deal with things like the Beams, Treloar & Phillips contributions... along with Cox, Stephenson, Wells, Mayne, WHE, Thomas, Grundy, Sier & Greenwood holding us back.

We overspent, whilst they saved... and have the excess to play with now.

We also did the opposite of what Richmond and Hawthorn were able to achieve. Use the premiership contention as a way to get a discount on salaries. We instead paid a premium to retain average players, who over-achieved getting us to the big dance.

 

[Matrix10]

Carlton killing us on list management / salaries... so frustrating. If they land a decent coach, heaven help us.

How they can fit Walsh, Weitering, Cripps, Saad, McKay, Williams, Jones, Martin, Curnow, Curnow, Marchbank and all of their B grade midfielders into the cap, with space for Cerra... makes us look like absolute amateurs.

Don`t forget the absurd contract they gave Mitch McGovern, $ 800 thousand dollars a year over 5 seasons , how the f#ck are they under the cap, but am over the moon with the return on investment the Blose got out of that deal, gift that keeps on giving

 

[unplugged]

People need to remember that a player leaving very rarely means a gap in the salary cap, unless the player is genuinely poached and wasn't forecasted to leave.

Like if Rantall doesn't get a new contract, it doesn't mean we magically have 100k to throw towards our next trade target. It probably gets eaten up by Youi Dib.

And Mayne retiring doesn't magically open the door for 250k, it was probably technically forecasted to be swallowed up by Grundy's big contract.

Same goes end of next year... Roughy hangs them up and maybe it goes towards Maynard's next contract.

The thing that seemingly kills us (from the outside looking in) is when someone has a big year when coming out of contract and we pay the price on that one year.

 

[BEEG]

What about the time he played on Barry Hall?

What about night he made Jono Brown cry the big tough man he was.

 

[partypie]

agree that the Martin deal was terrible, and that others have misfired, but how they can still vy for big trades with all of those highly paid players on their list p*sses me off. They just havent had to deal with things like the Beams, Treloar & Phillips contributions... along with Cox, Stephenson, Wells, Mayne, WHE, Thomas, Grundy, Sier & Greenwood holding us back.

We overspent, whilst they saved... and have the excess to play with now.

We also did the opposite of what Richmond and Hawthorn were able to achieve. Use the premiership contention as a way to get a discount on salaries. We instead paid a premium to retain average players, that over-achieved getting us to the big dance.

I wouldn't be envious of what Carlton has done for any reason, especially considering they've been stinking it up down towards the bottom of the ladder and have had access to top 5-10 draft picks for years now.

This, however, is just another example demonstrating why we specifically need to go back to the draft for the next couple of years, keep building our next contender from the ground up around a solid group of kids that have all come along together and then look to bring in a few key recruits in areas of need (whilst not overpaying for them them) a few years from now when the kids are also ready to step it up.

You simply can't buy your way to success in this game if you're not already pretty good and it's a rather painful lesson Carlton is going to learn (again) in the coming years.