List Mgmt. Trade & Draft Discussion 2023 post season - Picks Reid,30,40,49,66 (Bush league)

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[bigmikles089]

I’m coming round to the swing for the fences and going collard with our second pick over going safe and having a more “sure thing” with a lower ceiling.

Having both Brockman & Collard under the Liam Ryan tutelage certainly is enticing.

Can't help but think Collard is more of a cherry on top player at this point of the rebuild however.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

People are our players are soft - we need a Hardeman on the list.

Drafting Reid will make me a Hardeman is all I know

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

The GC list manager has said they will have 6 list spots going into the draft meaning they can only take 6 picks in

ATM they have 6x 2nd rounders plus some other picks from 66 on which they’ll forfeit as they can only take 6 picks in

Once the draft starts, they’ll be able to trade for further picks to accumulate points

That is my understanding.

If the Walter bid does not come until 2 and the Read bid until 10, then they will have enough points for all of Walter, Read, Rogers and Graham.


I also expect the Suns to sell off the picks in the 20's on draft night and at a premium. Lions have picks 30, 39 51 and 54 so will happily pay up. Likewise Freo with 34 and 46 will likely pay to get into the 2nd round.


BUT IF WEST COAST BID ON WALTER AT 1, THEN THAT CHANGES THE STORY. No reason why we should back away since he is the stand out KPF in this year's draft.

I would not be surprised if Melbourne are the team that bid on Read with pick 6 which will be pick 7 by then. If that is the case, then Suns will struggle.

Hence I would be interviewing Walter and asking if he was called out, would he come back to Perth. Assuming he wants the Suns, we ask the Suns for a favourable deal on pick 24 with a combination of 58 and a future R3.

I would be working in cohorts with Melbourne and recommending we bookend them with the Read and Walter bids earlier than expected or ....

 

[Wooshaaaa]

That is my understanding.

If the Walter bid does not come until 2 and the Read bid until 10, then they will have enough points for all of Walter, Read, Rogers and Graham.


I also expect the Suns to sell off the picks in the 20's on draft night and at a premium. Lions have picks 30, 39 51 and 54 so will happily pay up. Likewise Freo with 34 and 46 will likely pay to get into the 2nd round.


BUT IF WEST COAST BID ON WALTER AT 1, THEN THAT CHANGES THE STORY. No reason why we should back away since he is the stand out KPF in this year's draft.

I would not be surprised if Melbourne are the team that bid on Read with pick 6 which will be pick 7 by then. If that is the case, then Suns will struggle.

Hence I would be interviewing Walter and asking if he was called out, would he come back to Perth. Assuming he wants the Suns, we ask the Suns for a favourable deal on pick 24 with a combination of 58 and a future R3.

I would be working in cohorts with Melbourne and recommending we bookend them with the Read and Walter bids earlier than expected or ....

Calling Walters name out of draft night devalues Reid, which I think is a dumb move, especially as we will already know he won't come to us prior to draft night. Reid wants to be 1. Give it to him.

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[Elite Pete]

I’m in the draft Reid camp but if we ain’t.

I propose this

WC-
Out- Pick 1 and future 3rd
In- Pick 2 (McKersher) and 6 (Curtin)



North
Out- picks 2, 3, 18
In- Pick 1 (Reid) and 8 (O’Sullivan)



Melb-
Out- Pick 6 and 11
In- Pick 3 (Duursma) and WC future 3rd



Geel-
Out- pick 8
In- Picks 11 and 18

 

[Barrybran]

Breaking the silent lurk to say that's a fabulous effort mate.

You don't want to insult anyone while you're here?

 

[The Filth Wizard]

You don't want to insult anyone while you're here?

I find your curly hair amusing.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

I’m in the draft Reid camp but if we ain’t.

I propose this

WC-
Out- Pick 1 and future 3rd
In- Pick 2 (McKersher) and 6 (Curtin)



North
Out- picks 2, 3, 18
In- Pick 1 (Reid) and 8 (O’Sullivan)



Melb-
Out- Pick 6 and 11
In- Pick 3 (Duursma) and WC future 3rd



Geel-
Out- pick 8
In- Picks 11 and 18

Given that you are all the way in Adelaide, can you nominate someone in Perth I can locate and roundhouse kick in the face regarding this trade scenario?

Wayyyyyyyyyyy too little

 

[Barrybran]

I find your curly hair amusing.

My eyes are up here mate

 

[Forward Press]

Given that you are all the way in Adelaide, can you nominate someone in Perth I can locate and roundhouse kick in the face regarding this trade scenario?

Wayyyyyyyyyyy too little

The proposed four way trade would leave four clubs unhappy.

WC - giving up Reid for just 2 and 8
North - giving up 2 and 3 for Reid, and a small pick upgrade
Melbourne - moving from 6 to 3 at the cost of a top 10 pick and late future pick
Geelong - moving out of the top 10 for later picks in a shallow draft

Which is probably an indicator that it's the most plausible scenario.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

The proposed four way trade would leave four clubs unhappy.

WC - giving up Reid for just 2 and 8
North - giving up 2 and 3 for Reid, and a small pick upgrade
Melbourne - moving from 6 to 3 at the cost of a top 10 pick and late future pick
Geelong - moving out of the top 10 for later picks in a shallow draft

Which is probably an indicator that it's the most plausible scenario.

2 and 8 is crap

 

[The Filth Wizard]

My eyes are up here mate

 

[Elite Pete]

The proposed four way trade would leave four clubs unhappy.

WC - giving up Reid for just 2 and 8
North - giving up 2 and 3 for Reid, and a small pick upgrade
Melbourne - moving from 6 to 3 at the cost of a top 10 pick and late future pick
Geelong - moving out of the top 10 for later picks in a shallow draft

Which is probably an indicator that it's the most plausible scenario.

WC- Get rid of that go home factor a little.

North- Get their marquee player and probably their FB for the next 15 years.

Melb- Have said they will try and upgrade again. Sounds like they want Duursma or Watson. Won’t get them where they are. Not sure Sanders or Curtin fit what they need.

Cats- have said they would look to move back. Still get inside that 14 and get another thrown in to a draft they don’t have much.

Love the feedback though

 

[Forward Press]

2 and 8 is crap

Did you even read my post?

The proposed four way trade would leave four clubs unhappy.

 

[Elite Pete]

2 and 8 is crap

2 and 6*

8 is going to North

 

[Forward Press]

WC- Get rid of that go home factor a little.

North- Get their marquee player and probably their FB for the next 15 years.

Melb- Have said they will try and upgrade again. Sounds like they want Duursma or Watson. Won’t get them where they are. Not sure Sanders or Curtin fit what they need.

Cats- have said they would look to move back. Still get inside that 14 and get another thrown in to a draft they don’t have much.

Love the feedback though

As pointed above, though, there are clear reasons why that club would not like that scenario.

I do sincerely think though yours is the most likely four way trade scenario floated so far.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Did you even read my post?

Sorry I was agreeing with you

 

[Dark Sharks]

We better bid in Walter.

Every year the spud bottom team always gimps it and refuses to do their part to ensure academy, F/S selections aren't gotten too cheaply.

I'm still dirty on dickhead North not bidding on Daicos 2 years ago.

 

[CountryLad]

By no means a definitive list, I am not a track watcher. More a "gist" list based on what I have read:

1​	Harley Reid	MIDFIELDER		1​	WCE
2​	Jed Walter	KEY FORWARD	GCS Academy		GCS - match
3​	Zane Duursma	FORWARD		2​	NM
4​	Colby McKercher	MIDFIELDER		3​	NM
5​	Nick Watson	SMALL FORWARD		4​	HAW
6​	Ethan Read	RUCK	GCS Academy		GCS - match
7​	Daniel Curtin	UTILITY		5​	WB
8​	Ryley Sanders	MIDFIELDER		6​	MEL
9​	Nate Caddy	TALL FORWARD		7​	GWS
10​	Connor O'Sullivan	KEY DEFENDER		8​	GEEL
11​	Darcy Wilson	MIDFIELDER		9​	ESS
12​	Jake Rogers	MIDFIELDER	GCS Academy		GCS - match
13​	Jordan Croft	KEY FORWARD	WB F/S		WB - match
14​	Ollie Murphy	KEY DEFENDER		10​	AD
15​	James Leake	UTILITY		11​	MEL
16​	Caleb Windsor	WING		12​	SYD
17​	Will McCabe	KEY DEFENDER	HAW F/S		HAW - match
18​	Harry De Mattia	MIDFIELDER		14​	AD
19​	Riley Hardeman	DEFENDER		15​	NM
20​	Archie Roberts	DEFENDER		16​	GWS
21​	William Green	RUCK		17​	NM
22​	Archer Reid	KEY FORWARD		18​	NM
23​	Koltyn Tholstrup	FORWARD		19​	COL
24​	Charlie Edwards	MIDFIELDER		20​	AD
25​	George Stevens	DEFENDER		21​	ST K
26​	Mitch Edwards	RUCK		22​	CAR
27​	Lance Collard	SMALL FORWARD		23​	WCE
				24​	GCS - bid
28​	Arie Schoenmaker	TALL DEFENDER		25​	GEEL
				26​	GCS - bid
				27​	GCS - bid
29​	Jack Delean	SMALL FORWARD		28​	CAR
30​	Ashton Moir	FORWARD		29​	RICH
31​	Tew Jiath	DEFENDER		30​	BR
32​	Angus Hastie	DEFENDER		31​	ESS
				32​	GCS - bid
33​	Cooper Simpson	MIDFIELDER		33​	COL
34​	Logan Morris	FORWARD		34​	FRE
35​	Caiden Cleary	MIDFIELDER	Syd Academy		SYD - match
36​	Joel Freijah	WING		35​	ESS
				36​	GCS - bid
37​	Taylor Goad	RUCK		37​	WCE
				38​	GCS - Bid
38​	Will Graham	MIDFIELDER		39​	BRI
39​	Luamon Lual	DEFENDER		40​	ST K
40​	Koen Sanchez	MIDFIELDER		41​	RICH

Good effort but no love for Zz?

I’d have him pretty easily top 40, has a lot of potential. His size and athleticism no way he’s not gone in the second round.

 

[Simon Whitlock]

That is my understanding.

If the Walter bid does not come until 2 and the Read bid until 10, then they will have enough points for all of Walter, Read, Rogers and Graham.


I also expect the Suns to sell off the picks in the 20's on draft night and at a premium. Lions have picks 30, 39 51 and 54 so will happily pay up. Likewise Freo with 34 and 46 will likely pay to get into the 2nd round.


BUT IF WEST COAST BID ON WALTER AT 1, THEN THAT CHANGES THE STORY. No reason why we should back away since he is the stand out KPF in this year's draft.

I would not be surprised if Melbourne are the team that bid on Read with pick 6 which will be pick 7 by then. If that is the case, then Suns will struggle.

Hence I would be interviewing Walter and asking if he was called out, would he come back to Perth. Assuming he wants the Suns, we ask the Suns for a favourable deal on pick 24 with a combination of 58 and a future R3.

I would be working in cohorts with Melbourne and recommending we bookend them with the Read and Walter bids earlier than expected or ....

All makes sense apart from the part about engaging with Walter. There is no way known Gold Coast don't match if we bid at #1 as their highest pick is currently 24 - not matching would serve no purpose (as it may if they had pick 4 for example and could nab an elite talent if they held their pick). By all means though look to deal with Gold Coast and use an undertaking not to bid on Walter with #1 as currency.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

That is my understanding.

If the Walter bid does not come until 2 and the Read bid until 10, then they will have enough points for all of Walter, Read, Rogers and Graham.


I also expect the Suns to sell off the picks in the 20's on draft night and at a premium. Lions have picks 30, 39 51 and 54 so will happily pay up. Likewise Freo with 34 and 46 will likely pay to get into the 2nd round.


BUT IF WEST COAST BID ON WALTER AT 1, THEN THAT CHANGES THE STORY. No reason why we should back away since he is the stand out KPF in this year's draft.

I would not be surprised if Melbourne are the team that bid on Read with pick 6 which will be pick 7 by then. If that is the case, then Suns will struggle.

Hence I would be interviewing Walter and asking if he was called out, would he come back to Perth. Assuming he wants the Suns, we ask the Suns for a favourable deal on pick 24 with a combination of 58 and a future R3.

I would be working in cohorts with Melbourne and recommending we bookend them with the Read and Walter bids earlier than expected or ....

"Either give us a free pick 27 or we will bid on Walter and Read with pick 1..... Dont tempt me"

 

[ep2018]

"Either give us a free pick 27 or we will bid on Walter and Read with pick 1..... Dont tempt me"

Yeah lets go and ruin a really close relationship between the clubs by bidding on their players. 100% we do not bid on Walter with 1.

 

[Elite Pete]

As pointed above, though, there are clear reasons why that club would not like that scenario.

I do sincerely think though yours is the most likely four way trade scenario floated so far.

I think the positive out way the negatives for all clubs (Wothout knowing the Dees and Cats draft boards). Cats might want Caddy ect.

Closer to the draft when the draft board is clearer will tell the story.

 

[bzparkes]

Yeah lets go and ruin a really close relationship between the clubs by bidding on their players. 100% we do not bid on Walter with 1.

So, let Walter slide to a pick in the 20s?

 

[the big lebowski]

What if,

Both North and West Coast are coming to the conclusion that Reid and McKercher aren’t as far apart as the, at times, OTT media hype surrounding Reid would suggest

Meaning WC are more than happy to settle for Reid but want some incentive to move back from 1 but North are equally happy with McKercher so don’t want to give up anything valuable to get Reid instead

Explains why we knocked back Hawthorns offer because 4 is too far back and why North didn’t offer anything that included pick 2

The advantage North have over us, courtesy of the AFL, is that if they end up with McKercher over Reid they still have 3,15,17,18 to round out their draft adding to an already healthy collection of R1 picks

By contrast if we JTR we have only 23,37,58 to round out our draft adding to a list that is positively anemic when it comes to R1 picks by comparison

In many ways we need to trade pick 1 and are being squeezed to do so as Dylan82 posted about previously

The lack of focus on McKercher is very odd partly because lazy journos can only see Curtin as our next option cos WA

Personally believe this is exactly what’s happening. Have you heard Mckercher being interviewed? Very impressive young man. As is Reid.

Also think West Coast suspect Reid will head to Victoria at some stage in his career.