List Mgmt. Trade & Draft Discussion 2023 post season - Picks Reid,30,40,49,66 (Bush league)

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[Suma Magic]

Is this right?



Senior list

1. Flynn
2. Brockman
3. Pick 1
4. Pick 23
5. Pick 37

Senior or rookie list

1. Pick 58, DFA, PSD or RD
2. Pick 81, DFA, PSD or RD

Rookie list

1. Culley
2. Maric
3. Trew
4. RD
5. RD, SPP or MSD
6. RD, SPP or MSD

Cat B

1. Dewar
2. Baker
3. Vacant

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Is this right?



Senior list

1. Flynn
2. Brockman
3. Pick 1
4. Pick 23
5. Pick 37

Senior or rookie list

1. Pick 58, DFA, PSD or RD
2. Pick 81, DFA, PSD or RD

Rookie list

1. Culley
2. Maric
3. Trew
4. RD
5. RD, SPP or MSD
6. RD, SPP or MSD

Cat B

1. Dewar
2. Baker
3. Vacant

I think we’re only allowed two Cat Bs.

Culley could be promoted although it doesn’t seem like it’s happening. Trew could yet be delisted.

We’ve only got four RL spots unless we forego a senior list spot.

 

[Sammy J]

It’s also a myth that you need top 20 picks alone to build a list. We got Long at what, 58 last year? Barrass was like pick 37? Allen pick 21?

You can find guys at later picks with the right scouting and development. Take Reid, figure the rest out later. We’ve already renegerated the list quite a bit the last 12-18 months. More to come, but we need building blocks. Reid is the key.

 

[Deepthroat]

16 becomes pick 21, I’d be very, very surprised if Hardeman is still on the board then. Schoenmaker gone by 23 I think but the other 2 should be available. We get GWS F2 back in the trade so we’re not just giving up F2 to move up 6 spots. I just think the step between 11-21 then 22+ is huge.

Yes, factored in the "go back" too.

16 is 20 on my board.

Hardeman (19), Roberts (20), Green (21) & Reid (22).

Our 23 is 27.

Edwards (26), Collard (27), Schoemakers (28).

Just can't see the need to cough up anything to move between the two.

 

[ghostbat12]

Would people do 37 and 58 for Gold Coast 32 and 71?

Would give them an extra 40 points and bump us up in the 30s a bit (specifically, ahead of Freo’s first pick if we’re worried about them taking Collard).

GC would argue that the 71 would come back significantly after all bids, potentially costing them points.

 

[Deepthroat]

I'd be looking to split 23 which will likely be 27 after bids.

Swap for Richmond's 29 (30 after bids) and 41 (40 after bids).

Add a F4 (50's pick) as a sweetener.

Richmond can then use as first pick on Night 2 or auction off.

 

[Deepthroat]

Another option.

Hawks 4

for WC F2, F3 and 23.

Gives Hawks a pick for Jiath this year (which they don't have at present).

Hawks probably won't do in case McCabe bid comes.

 

[eaglevision]

Yes, factored in the "go back" too.

16 is 20 on my board.

Hardeman (19), Roberts (20), Green (21) & Reid (22).

Our 23 is 27.

Edwards (26), Collard (27), Schoemakers (28).

Just can't see the need to cough up anything to move between the two.

Would be interested to see who’s on your board between 15 and 25

 

[TOA.]

Gold Coast are an interesting one to watch.

If they match McWalter (2), Read (6) and Rogers (12) they will need 4,427 (after discounts).

They only have 3,877 points.

They'll be hoping these guys slide.

Read somewhere they loaded up on next year anyway, to accommodate a deficit next year

 

[Deepthroat]

Would be interested to see who’s on your board between 15 and 25

By no means a definitive list, I am not a track watcher. More a "gist" list based on what I have read:

1​	Harley Reid	MIDFIELDER		1​	WCE
2​	Jed Walter	KEY FORWARD	GCS Academy		GCS - match
3​	Zane Duursma	FORWARD		2​	NM
4​	Colby McKercher	MIDFIELDER		3​	NM
5​	Nick Watson	SMALL FORWARD		4​	HAW
6​	Ethan Read	RUCK	GCS Academy		GCS - match
7​	Daniel Curtin	UTILITY		5​	WB
8​	Ryley Sanders	MIDFIELDER		6​	MEL
9​	Nate Caddy	TALL FORWARD		7​	GWS
10​	Connor O'Sullivan	KEY DEFENDER		8​	GEEL
11​	Darcy Wilson	MIDFIELDER		9​	ESS
12​	Jake Rogers	MIDFIELDER	GCS Academy		GCS - match
13​	Jordan Croft	KEY FORWARD	WB F/S		WB - match
14​	Ollie Murphy	KEY DEFENDER		10​	AD
15​	James Leake	UTILITY		11​	MEL
16​	Caleb Windsor	WING		12​	SYD
17​	Will McCabe	KEY DEFENDER	HAW F/S		HAW - match
18​	Harry De Mattia	MIDFIELDER		14​	AD
19​	Riley Hardeman	DEFENDER		15​	NM
20​	Archie Roberts	DEFENDER		16​	GWS
21​	William Green	RUCK		17​	NM
22​	Archer Reid	KEY FORWARD		18​	NM
23​	Koltyn Tholstrup	FORWARD		19​	COL
24​	Charlie Edwards	MIDFIELDER		20​	AD
25​	George Stevens	DEFENDER		21​	ST K
26​	Mitch Edwards	RUCK		22​	CAR
27​	Lance Collard	SMALL FORWARD		23​	WCE
				24​	GCS - bid
28​	Arie Schoenmaker	TALL DEFENDER		25​	GEEL
				26​	GCS - bid
				27​	GCS - bid
29​	Jack Delean	SMALL FORWARD		28​	CAR
30​	Ashton Moir	FORWARD		29​	RICH
31​	Tew Jiath	DEFENDER		30​	BR
32​	Angus Hastie	DEFENDER		31​	ESS
				32​	GCS - bid
33​	Cooper Simpson	MIDFIELDER		33​	COL
34​	Logan Morris	FORWARD		34​	FRE
35​	Caiden Cleary	MIDFIELDER	Syd Academy		SYD - match
36​	Joel Freijah	WING		35​	ESS
				36​	GCS - bid
37​	Taylor Goad	RUCK		37​	WCE
				38​	GCS - Bid
38​	Will Graham	MIDFIELDER		39​	BRI
39​	Luamon Lual	DEFENDER		40​	ST K
40​	Koen Sanchez	MIDFIELDER		41​	RICH

 

[Woobla Stainz]

I don’t see Thomas still playing in 5 years and Wardlaw will struggle with his hammies too. That being said I still wouldn’t even consider giving them (or anyone else) Reid.

Maybe, but if they fulfil their potential they will be very good

 

[Suma Magic]

I think we’re only allowed two Cat Bs.

Culley could be promoted although it doesn’t seem like it’s happening. Trew could yet be delisted.

We’ve only got four RL spots unless we forego a senior list spot.

Edit: ignore

I thought it was as below. Meaning 4-8 rookies if you have 44 players (excluding category b).

 

[Deepthroat]

I can see Hawthorn throwing two F2's at us for 23 on draft night to get Jiath.

 

[Suma Magic]

Corrected - thanks Miguel Sanchez you were right, disregard my last post.



Senior list

1. Flynn
2. Brockman
3. Pick 1
4. Pick 23
5. Pick 37

Senior or vacant

1. Pick 58, DFA, PSD or RD
2. Pick 81, DFA, PSD or RD

Rookie list or vacant

1. Culley
2. Maric
3. Trew
4. RD
5. RD, SPP or MSD
6. RD, SPP or MSD

Cat B

1. Dewar
2. Baker

 

[Barrybran]

Would people do 37 and 58 for Gold Coast 32 and 71?

Would give them an extra 40 points and bump us up in the 30s a bit (specifically, ahead of Freo’s first pick if we’re worried about them taking Collard).

We might be able to 'one red paperclip' our way up the order by pulling off a bunch of smaller trades with incremental value

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Edit: ignore

I thought it was as below. Meaning 4-8 rookies if you have 44 players (excluding category b).

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The 44 max includes two Cat Bs.

The only sides to have more than 44 players this season (other than going over due to replacing inactive players, like us with Maric replacing Culley), were North and Gold Coast, both due to extra list concessions.

You can have
36 senior/6 Cat A rookie
37 senior/5 Cat A rookie
38 senior/4 Cat A rookie

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Corrected - thanks Miguel Sanchez you were right, disregard my last post.

Oh dagnammit!

 

[The Filth Wizard]

By no means a definitive list, I am not a track watcher. More a "gist" list based on what I have read:

1​	Harley Reid	MIDFIELDER		1​	WCE
2​	Jed Walter	KEY FORWARD	GCS Academy		GCS - match
3​	Zane Duursma	FORWARD		2​	NM
4​	Colby McKercher	MIDFIELDER		3​	NM
5​	Nick Watson	SMALL FORWARD		4​	HAW
6​	Ethan Read	RUCK	GCS Academy		GCS - match
7​	Daniel Curtin	UTILITY		5​	WB
8​	Ryley Sanders	MIDFIELDER		6​	MEL
9​	Nate Caddy	TALL FORWARD		7​	GWS
10​	Connor O'Sullivan	KEY DEFENDER		8​	GEEL
11​	Darcy Wilson	MIDFIELDER		9​	ESS
12​	Jake Rogers	MIDFIELDER	GCS Academy		GCS - match
13​	Jordan Croft	KEY FORWARD	WB F/S		WB - match
14​	Ollie Murphy	KEY DEFENDER		10​	AD
15​	James Leake	UTILITY		11​	MEL
16​	Caleb Windsor	WING		12​	SYD
17​	Will McCabe	KEY DEFENDER	HAW F/S		HAW - match
18​	Harry De Mattia	MIDFIELDER		14​	AD
19​	Riley Hardeman	DEFENDER		15​	NM
20​	Archie Roberts	DEFENDER		16​	GWS
21​	William Green	RUCK		17​	NM
22​	Archer Reid	KEY FORWARD		18​	NM
23​	Koltyn Tholstrup	FORWARD		19​	COL
24​	Charlie Edwards	MIDFIELDER		20​	AD
25​	George Stevens	DEFENDER		21​	ST K
26​	Mitch Edwards	RUCK		22​	CAR
27​	Lance Collard	SMALL FORWARD		23​	WCE
				24​	GCS - bid
28​	Arie Schoenmaker	TALL DEFENDER		25​	GEEL
				26​	GCS - bid
				27​	GCS - bid
29​	Jack Delean	SMALL FORWARD		28​	CAR
30​	Ashton Moir	FORWARD		29​	RICH
31​	Tew Jiath	DEFENDER		30​	BR
32​	Angus Hastie	DEFENDER		31​	ESS
				32​	GCS - bid
33​	Cooper Simpson	MIDFIELDER		33​	COL
34​	Logan Morris	FORWARD		34​	FRE
35​	Caiden Cleary	MIDFIELDER	Syd Academy		SYD - match
36​	Joel Freijah	WING		35​	ESS
				36​	GCS - bid
37​	Taylor Goad	RUCK		37​	WCE
				38​	GCS - Bid
38​	Will Graham	MIDFIELDER		39​	BRI
39​	Luamon Lual	DEFENDER		40​	ST K
40​	Koen Sanchez	MIDFIELDER		41​	RICH

Breaking the silent lurk to say that's a fabulous effort mate.

 

[eaglevision]

By no means a definitive list, I am not a track watcher. More a "gist" list based on what I have read:

1​	Harley Reid	MIDFIELDER		1​	WCE
2​	Jed Walter	KEY FORWARD	GCS Academy		GCS - match
3​	Zane Duursma	FORWARD		2​	NM
4​	Colby McKercher	MIDFIELDER		3​	NM
5​	Nick Watson	SMALL FORWARD		4​	HAW
6​	Ethan Read	RUCK	GCS Academy		GCS - match
7​	Daniel Curtin	UTILITY		5​	WB
8​	Ryley Sanders	MIDFIELDER		6​	MEL
9​	Nate Caddy	TALL FORWARD		7​	GWS
10​	Connor O'Sullivan	KEY DEFENDER		8​	GEEL
11​	Darcy Wilson	MIDFIELDER		9​	ESS
12​	Jake Rogers	MIDFIELDER	GCS Academy		GCS - match
13​	Jordan Croft	KEY FORWARD	WB F/S		WB - match
14​	Ollie Murphy	KEY DEFENDER		10​	AD
15​	James Leake	UTILITY		11​	MEL
16​	Caleb Windsor	WING		12​	SYD
17​	Will McCabe	KEY DEFENDER	HAW F/S		HAW - match
18​	Harry De Mattia	MIDFIELDER		14​	AD
19​	Riley Hardeman	DEFENDER		15​	NM
20​	Archie Roberts	DEFENDER		16​	GWS
21​	William Green	RUCK		17​	NM
22​	Archer Reid	KEY FORWARD		18​	NM
23​	Koltyn Tholstrup	FORWARD		19​	COL
24​	Charlie Edwards	MIDFIELDER		20​	AD
25​	George Stevens	DEFENDER		21​	ST K
26​	Mitch Edwards	RUCK		22​	CAR
27​	Lance Collard	SMALL FORWARD		23​	WCE
				24​	GCS - bid
28​	Arie Schoenmaker	TALL DEFENDER		25​	GEEL
				26​	GCS - bid
				27​	GCS - bid
29​	Jack Delean	SMALL FORWARD		28​	CAR
30​	Ashton Moir	FORWARD		29​	RICH
31​	Tew Jiath	DEFENDER		30​	BR
32​	Angus Hastie	DEFENDER		31​	ESS
				32​	GCS - bid
33​	Cooper Simpson	MIDFIELDER		33​	COL
34​	Logan Morris	FORWARD		34​	FRE
35​	Caiden Cleary	MIDFIELDER	Syd Academy		SYD - match
36​	Joel Freijah	WING		35​	ESS
				36​	GCS - bid
37​	Taylor Goad	RUCK		37​	WCE
				38​	GCS - Bid
38​	Will Graham	MIDFIELDER		39​	BRI
39​	Luamon Lual	DEFENDER		40​	ST K
40​	Koen Sanchez	MIDFIELDER		41​	RICH

I haven’t seen enough to rank after 25 with any conviction but otherwise fairly similar top 25:

1. Reid (WC)
2. Walter (GC)
3. McKercher (NM)
4. Duursma (NM)
5. Watson (Haw)
6. Sanders (WB)
7. Read (GC)
8. Caddy (Melb)
9. Curtin (GWS)
10. O’Sullivan (Geel)
11. Rogers
12. Croft
13. Murphy
14. Windsor
15. Wilson
16. Leake
17. Hardeman
18. McCabe
19. Tholstrup
20. DeMattia
21. Schoenmaker
22. Stevens
23. Edwards
24. Roberts
25. Reid

Cal releasing his tomorrow morning. Would be an interesting nearest the pin.

 

[Keys]

Another option.

Hawks 4

for WC F2, F3 and 23.

Gives Hawks a pick for Jiath this year (which they don't have at present).

Hawks probably won't do in case McCabe bid comes.

That’s 3 picks bundled up for 1

We need both quality and quantity which is the argument behind splitting pick 1 but the absolute quality of Reid makes keeping 1 worthwhile

But if we keep 1, we then need to get a range of picks so consolidating picks isn’t the best idea

We have 1,23,37,58 this year and our first 4 round picks next year.

That’s 8 picks over 2 years plus any FA signings or picks acquired by trading a player(s) out

Any picks we trade should be a 1 for 1 or 2 for 2 to maintain the number of players we draft in

 

[CursoryMercenary]

For a club in our position our draft hand this year is pathetic. Yes we have the prized pick but we need much much more. I'm not a fan of trading the Reid pick.

 

[Deepthroat]

I can see Curtin sliding as far as GWS Pick 7 in this draft, purely based on the needs of Haw (plenty of his type already), WB (also well equipped for his type) and Melb (would do backflips if they get Caddy).

Live trade for GWS Pick 7 / 16 for WCE F1?

 

[Yippy Yi Yeo]

It’s also a myth that you need top 20 picks alone to build a list. We got Long at what, 58 last year? Barrass was like pick 37? Allen pick 21?

You can find guys at later picks with the right scouting and development. Take Reid, figure the rest out later. We’ve already renegerated the list quite a bit the last 12-18 months. More to come, but we need building blocks. Reid is the key.

Just more victorian psyops

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

I can see Hawthorn throwing two F2's at us for 23 on draft night to get Jiath.

That is going to be hard to do when Hawks only have their own F1 and Pies F2. They traded out all other futures.

 

[Deepthroat]

That is going to be hard to do when Hawks only have their own F1 and Pies F2. They traded out all other futures.

Fair call. I thought I had seen them holding two F2's.