List Mgmt. Trade & Draft Discussion 2023 post season - Picks Reid,30,40,49,66 (Bush league)

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dinnaz said:
Chesser 👎
Bazzo 👎
Hough 👍
Barnett 👍

1 bust with 3 maybes IMO. Role players but not top end that will carry the team. We are just about missing a whole next gen spine and while our mids are AFL quality they aren't top tier.
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So how do you see Bazzo as a bust and Barnett as ok?

Crystal ball?

Tea leaves?

Knuckle bones?
 

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DRK_13 said:
Im fairly confident Bazzo and HEdwards will be fine after a few preseasons in the weight room.
No concerns there. They both read the ball well and are fairly mobile.
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You lost me with H Edwards and mobile.

He gets caught out on the lead far too easily. In general play and pack situations he competes but on the lead and agility wise Harry needs to improve.
 
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eaglevision said:
Agreed. I hope we take 3 mids (Reid, one inside and one outside with elite speed) and a KPD. Otherwise 2 mids, KPD and a running HBF Hardeman/ARoberts type I’d be pretty happy with too. The forward line needs nothing extra this year if we are taking Reid.
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This is why I want with our first 3 picks.

JTR
Cooper Simpson
Charlie Edwards

Then
Any of
Haistie
Freijah
Hall.




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Keys said:
Burning questions

With the draft less than a week away and the will we or won’t we take Reid debate seemingly over, these are my burning questions going into November 20/21 :

1) Who presents the club jumper to Reid on draft night?

With the AFL reportedly said to be encouraging clubs to incorporate past players more on draft night we have a few options.

Our recently retired captain and new assistant coach, Luke Shuey, who played 248 games after being recruited from Victoria could do it. Another recent retiree and club icon, Nic Naitanui would also be a good choice to hand over the baton as the clubs most marketable player.

Either would be fine and deserving of the honour

But one past player stands out. The symbolism of Ben Cousins handing Reid a West Coast Eagles jumper would be something else, especially if it has #9 already printed on the back. Cuz has been steadily getting his life back in order and having him representing the club in such an important moment in the clubs rebuild would be fantastic for the club, it’s supporters and Ben.

Make it happen West Coast

2) When does Dan Curtin get taken and does he slide far enough for us to make a play for him?

So much has been written about how keen we are on Curtin and how we needed to trade pick 1 to get him it seems odd he might slide outside the top 5. North might take him as might the Hawks who have paraded their interest but they both have other more likely targets. Bulldogs don’t need another tall so Melbourne loom as his first realistic landing spot

If he gets past them, maybe GWS listen to a trade offer using our F1 but pushing their top 10 pick into next year might not interest them unless it’s a lopsided offer in their favour. Ditto for noted fair traders Geelong and Essendon

Adelaide with pick 10 are the one club with an incentive to chase our F1 and the collateral to make a trade attractive enough, if Curtin slides that far. It’s unlikely, but with the likes of Caddy, Leake, Wilson, Windsor and O’Sullivan generating interest maybe those clubs go local, or near local in Leake’s case leaving the WA lad waiting for a home

Until his name gets called out, the unthinkable of Curtin joining Reid at West Coast will remain a tantalising possibility

3) How proactive will we be in improving our draft hand, if at all?

When the final siren of the GF announced Collingwood as premiers, our draft hand was 1,19,33,38,52,57 and 75. Thanks to Norths freeloading and overly generous FA compensation picks generally it now stands at 1,23,37,58 and 81 after we traded out our R3 and R4 picks to Hawthorn (what were 38 and 57 but became 44 and 63). Our 2nd pick likely blows out to 28 on draft night courtesy of academy and F/S selections

For a side that finished last it’s a somewhat underwhelming draft hand

Traditionally, WCE haven’t traded up in the draft preferring to split picks for multiple later picks and/or future picks with mixed success. This year though might be the year our recruiting team get aggressive and use future picks to improve our position if opportunity presents

I’ve already mentioned the possibility of using our F1 to get Curtin above. But if that doesn’t happen, or maybe even if it does, our F2 could be used with 23 to get us into the back end of R1. Or maybe on its own to get a very late R1 or early R2 pick.

Or we could use a combination of picks including our F2 or F3 to get one of those early 2nd picks Gold Coast are holding.

Or we could stay true to type and split what we’re assuming will be the first pick of the second night. Essendon with picks 31 and 35 look to be the most beneficial trade partner if we split 23, giving us those picks with 37 to use bearing in mind Gold Coast hold 24,26,27,32,36 and 38 that will be burned in bid matches

Or….

There’s a myriad of potential trades if the club wants to be proactive but as a minimum another pick in that very even range of the draft between 20 and 40 thereabouts should be targeted to go with the 23 and 37 we currently hold

Four picks inside 40 for the second year running after 3 in 2021 plus 2 No.1 MSD picks is building a decent tank of potential talent for the future

4) Will we pull the trigger on any high risk/high reward selections?

Three names have regularly been discussed that loom as very much boom or bust picks. We could go all three with the picks we have or none at all

a) Lance Collard
A West Coast NGA player who started the season as a realistic chance of going later than pick 40 where we could match a bid. Has ended the season as a potential late R1 pick who may not even be on the board for our second pick of the draft. Are we that keen we trade up into R1 to get him or do we hold our nerve and wait to see if he gets through night 1 undrafted. Do we even draft him then at all

b) Zane Zakostelsky
Like Collard his stocks have risen late on the back of a BOG performance in the colts GF and an impressive combine. Another KPD on the list would be handy and ZZ Top, whilst a raw talent, fits the bill. Should still be on the board for our 2nd pick which would be a slight reach given there’s a good chance of him lasting until our 3rd. Reach or run the risk of missing out.

c) Ashton Moir
Unlike the first two mentioned, Moir has gone backwards in 2023 from being a possible top 5 talent to a late 2nd/early 3rd round pick. A hip injury partially explains his poor year but there’s also questions on his application/commitment which may or may not be fair. Strong possibility he’s available at our 3rd pick where on talent he’d be a steal but he’s a risk when there’ll be other less talented but safer options. If he’s still there at our 4th pick, which is possible, then he’s probably worth a swing

There’s every chance that we have the opportunity to draft all three using our picks 23,37,58 (wherever they ultimately land) but that’s a definite boon or bust result. If all three hit their potential, along with Reid, it becomes a momentum shifting draft.

Or we play safe, some may say smart, and take players with a lower ceiling but a higher probability of reaching it. And make no mistake there’ll be good options at each of those selections

Moreso than Reid, those three picks will define our draft, making night 2 the far more interesting night for us

5) Do we use our 5th pick?

We are guaranteed to use our first 4 picks in this draft. That will leave two list spots open, at least one of which will be on the rookie list, maybe both

Pending any live trades, as mentioned earlier, our 5th pick which nominally is 81 but will likely be in the mid to high 50’s.

It’s been reported (by Mark Duffield) that our recruiters have identified approximately 55 players they consider draftable. So it’s likely our 5th pick would s getting towards the end of that list and given that we also have the first pick of the rookie draft we could hold until then to take a 5th player

We also have NGA players, Oscar Hine-Baston and Coen Livingstone, who will likely be there in the rookie draft to potentially fill the last two spots

Or we could leave one spot open to find a SSP option like Trey Ruscoe post draft, which would be unlikely if we use 5 picks in the main draft

I’m hoping we find another pick in the 15-40 range giving us 4 under 40 plus a roll of the dice with wherever pick 58 lands (high 40’s likely). Take a chance on Moir if he’s there or go someone like Clay Hall as a meat and potatoes type



In a week’s time we’ll know the answers to all of the above but until then those are the questions I’ll be pondering
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1. BOTH Cous and NIC Nat. Make a statement.

2. Curtin slides but only to about Melbourne's pick.

3. If 2 doesn't happen then I think we will look at trading our F2 to move up.

4. We need to have a no bust draft.
a no. b no. c yes with a late pick or rookie

5. Yes if Moir slides this is what I'd use it for.




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Obeanie1 said:
You lost me with H Edwards and mobile.

He gets caught out on the lead far too easily. In general play and pack situations he competes but on the lead and agility wise Harry need to improve.
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I think this is the reason Murphy is sliding this year. Has a lot of good characteristics but will get burnt on the lead time and time again. Hard to cover for that in the modern game.
 
Wooshaaaa said:
This is why I want with our first 3 picks.

JTR
Cooper Simpson
Charlie Edwards

Then
Any of
Haistie
Freijah
Hall.




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I’d be ok with that, good result. Few other names in the 2nd and 3rd pick I’d want in the mix but for me our 4th pick will definitely come from that group of 3 you mentioned unless teams rate them a lot higher than the media is indicating.
 
Keys said:
Burning questions

With the draft less than a week away and the will we or won’t we take Reid debate seemingly over, these are my burning questions going into November 20/21 :

1) Who presents the club jumper to Reid on draft night?

With the AFL reportedly said to be encouraging clubs to incorporate past players more on draft night we have a few options.

Our recently retired captain and new assistant coach, Luke Shuey, who played 248 games after being recruited from Victoria could do it. Another recent retiree and club icon, Nic Naitanui would also be a good choice to hand over the baton as the clubs most marketable player.

Either would be fine and deserving of the honour

But one past player stands out. The symbolism of Ben Cousins handing Reid a West Coast Eagles jumper would be something else, especially if it has #9 already printed on the back. Cuz has been steadily getting his life back in order and having him representing the club in such an important moment in the clubs rebuild would be fantastic for the club, it’s supporters and Ben.

Make it happen West Coast

2) When does Dan Curtin get taken and does he slide far enough for us to make a play for him?

So much has been written about how keen we are on Curtin and how we needed to trade pick 1 to get him it seems odd he might slide outside the top 5. North might take him as might the Hawks who have paraded their interest but they both have other more likely targets. Bulldogs don’t need another tall so Melbourne loom as his first realistic landing spot

If he gets past them, maybe GWS listen to a trade offer using our F1 but pushing their top 10 pick into next year might not interest them unless it’s a lopsided offer in their favour. Ditto for noted fair traders Geelong and Essendon

Adelaide with pick 10 are the one club with an incentive to chase our F1 and the collateral to make a trade attractive enough, if Curtin slides that far. It’s unlikely, but with the likes of Caddy, Leake, Wilson, Windsor and O’Sullivan generating interest maybe those clubs go local, or near local in Leake’s case leaving the WA lad waiting for a home

Until his name gets called out, the unthinkable of Curtin joining Reid at West Coast will remain a tantalising possibility

3) How proactive will we be in improving our draft hand, if at all?

When the final siren of the GF announced Collingwood as premiers, our draft hand was 1,19,33,38,52,57 and 75. Thanks to Norths freeloading and overly generous FA compensation picks generally it now stands at 1,23,37,58 and 81 after we traded out our R3 and R4 picks to Hawthorn (what were 38 and 57 but became 44 and 63). Our 2nd pick likely blows out to 28 on draft night courtesy of academy and F/S selections

For a side that finished last it’s a somewhat underwhelming draft hand

Traditionally, WCE haven’t traded up in the draft preferring to split picks for multiple later picks and/or future picks with mixed success. This year though might be the year our recruiting team get aggressive and use future picks to improve our position if opportunity presents

I’ve already mentioned the possibility of using our F1 to get Curtin above. But if that doesn’t happen, or maybe even if it does, our F2 could be used with 23 to get us into the back end of R1. Or maybe on its own to get a very late R1 or early R2 pick.

Or we could use a combination of picks including our F2 or F3 to get one of those early 2nd picks Gold Coast are holding.

Or we could stay true to type and split what we’re assuming will be the first pick of the second night. Essendon with picks 31 and 35 look to be the most beneficial trade partner if we split 23, giving us those picks with 37 to use bearing in mind Gold Coast hold 24,26,27,32,36 and 38 that will be burned in bid matches

Or….

There’s a myriad of potential trades if the club wants to be proactive but as a minimum another pick in that very even range of the draft between 20 and 40 thereabouts should be targeted to go with the 23 and 37 we currently hold

Four picks inside 40 for the second year running after 3 in 2021 plus 2 No.1 MSD picks is building a decent tank of potential talent for the future

4) Will we pull the trigger on any high risk/high reward selections?

Three names have regularly been discussed that loom as very much boom or bust picks. We could go all three with the picks we have or none at all

a) Lance Collard
A West Coast NGA player who started the season as a realistic chance of going later than pick 40 where we could match a bid. Has ended the season as a potential late R1 pick who may not even be on the board for our second pick of the draft. Are we that keen we trade up into R1 to get him or do we hold our nerve and wait to see if he gets through night 1 undrafted. Do we even draft him then at all

b) Zane Zakostelsky
Like Collard his stocks have risen late on the back of a BOG performance in the colts GF and an impressive combine. Another KPD on the list would be handy and ZZ Top, whilst a raw talent, fits the bill. Should still be on the board for our 2nd pick which would be a slight reach given there’s a good chance of him lasting until our 3rd. Reach or run the risk of missing out.

c) Ashton Moir
Unlike the first two mentioned, Moir has gone backwards in 2023 from being a possible top 5 talent to a late 2nd/early 3rd round pick. A hip injury partially explains his poor year but there’s also questions on his application/commitment which may or may not be fair. Strong possibility he’s available at our 3rd pick where on talent he’d be a steal but he’s a risk when there’ll be other less talented but safer options. If he’s still there at our 4th pick, which is possible, then he’s probably worth a swing

There’s every chance that we have the opportunity to draft all three using our picks 23,37,58 (wherever they ultimately land) but that’s a definite boon or bust result. If all three hit their potential, along with Reid, it becomes a momentum shifting draft.

Or we play safe, some may say smart, and take players with a lower ceiling but a higher probability of reaching it. And make no mistake there’ll be good options at each of those selections

Moreso than Reid, those three picks will define our draft, making night 2 the far more interesting night for us

5) Do we use our 5th pick?

We are guaranteed to use our first 4 picks in this draft. That will leave two list spots open, at least one of which will be on the rookie list, maybe both

Pending any live trades, as mentioned earlier, our 5th pick which nominally is 81 but will likely be in the mid to high 50’s.

It’s been reported (by Mark Duffield) that our recruiters have identified approximately 55 players they consider draftable. So it’s likely our 5th pick would s getting towards the end of that list and given that we also have the first pick of the rookie draft we could hold until then to take a 5th player

We also have NGA players, Oscar Hine-Baston and Coen Livingstone, who will likely be there in the rookie draft to potentially fill the last two spots

Or we could leave one spot open to find a SSP option like Trey Ruscoe post draft, which would be unlikely if we use 5 picks in the main draft

I’m hoping we find another pick in the 15-40 range giving us 4 under 40 plus a roll of the dice with wherever pick 58 lands (high 40’s likely). Take a chance on Moir if he’s there or go someone like Clay Hall as a meat and potatoes type



In a week’s time we’ll know the answers to all of the above but until then those are the questions I’ll be pondering
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Great write up, hugely appreciated.

1. I’d be very surprised if Cuz isn’t already booked as the pointy end of QF 770 to Melbourne on Sunday.

2. I think Curtin may even get to Adelaide’s pick, in which case I’m sticking with F1 for Curtin, 14 and F1 despite the fact that I’ll be accused of having been dropped on my head as a baby.

3. I think we’ll ideally swap 23, 37 and 58 for 20 in the above deal as well but I know that’s fantasy in live trading although never say never with Adelaide’s needs in next year’s draft very specific to what we can offer them.

4. Happy to take Collard or Moir if 40+, ZZ pick 37 would be a great result if the scenario with Curtin does not play out.

5. Do not want overager OHB having learnt from Foley and don’t know enough about Ruscoe to make an informed opinion but Livingstone worth a punt with 81 or rookie.
 
Obeanie1 said:
So how do you see Bazzo as a bust and Barnett as ok?

Crystal ball?

Tea leaves?

Knuckle bones?
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* watching since age 17 so not just 1 or two tough preseasons as posters say. And we are likely 3 years away from seeing any results too.

Bazzo was one of my maybes🤙 but more bust then boom. I liked the pick even though it was a classic better at 16 than 18 Obrien special.

AFL is a tough competition and not everyone will be a star like we have been blessed with. Probably plays 100 odd games because we have him on our list and have to play someone at CHB.

Is better than HEdwards but not as good as Barrass, and if he's roaming very loose are we getting good enough value to concede a few easy goals?

Barnett by comparison is a better overall player and can even be a top 5 ruck in the comp or at worst a better Hedwards down back.

So similar floors as players but Barnett has the scope to be a ****ing gun
 
Gov and Barrass were made to look silly on the lead too. If the mids aren't providing pressure up the ground the KPD are going to look bad.

Harry might not make it but there are plenty of good KPD who have looked outclassed for several years and come good.
 

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Keys said:
When the final siren of the GF announced Collingwood as premiers, our draft hand was 1,19,33,38,52,57 and 75. Thanks to Norths freeloading and overly generous FA compensation picks generally it now stands at 1,23,37,58 and 81 after we traded out our R3 and R4 picks to Hawthorn (what were 38 and 57 but became 44 and 63). Our 2nd pick likely blows out to 28 on draft night courtesy of academy and F/S selections

For a side that finished last it’s a somewhat underwhelming draft hand
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FA compo and PP's definitely need to go.
Everyone benefits from FA, so there should be no compensation for losing a player if you aren't even willing to keep the player by offering more or forcing a trade.
Guaranteed PP's that are given based on defined conditions will cause teams to tank, while giving them based on discretion and a team begging for them leads to biased and potentially corrupt decisions that affects every other team.
 
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eaglevision said:
2. I think Curtin may even get to Adelaide’s pick, in which case I’m sticking with F1 for Curtin, 14 and F1 despite the fact that I’ll be accused of having been dropped on my head as a baby.
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I'm with you on this one too mate but can't see the Crows trading out of this draft with 10, 14.

I hope we're targeting the Crows pick 20 and GC pick 24 and 26(more realistic)

F2 for 20.

Send 20, 37 and F4 for GC for 24 and 26. A the promise on no bids for Walter

That's 1, 23, 24 ans 26. That's 3 of the 4 picks of night 2
 
WCE_Phill said:
I'm with you on this one too mate but can't see the Crows trading out of this draft with 10, 14.

I hope we're targeting the Crows pick 20 and GC pick 24 and 26(more realistic)

F2 for 20.

Send 20, 37 and F4 for GC for 24 and 26. A the promise on no bids for Walter

That's 1, 23, 24 ans 26. That's 3 of the 4 picks of night 2
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We are not desperate for Curtin. It would be nice, but we’re not desperate. We are desperate for Reid. We don’t need to accept unders and the talent after the top 10 of this draft drops off enormously. I can’t believe we’re even talking about Curtin potentially being available with that pick but the planets may align. If they lowball us with just 10 and F1 swap then very happy to walk away but I think it’s a trade which works for both parties if it goes ahead as suggested.

As for your other trade I suggested pretty much that exact trade a number of pages back so on board with that option as well! I’m certain we will end up with a good value for money GCS pick and we won’t bid on Walter at 1.
 
WCE_Phill said:
I'm with you on this one too mate but can't see the Crows trading out of this draft with 10, 14.

I hope we're targeting the Crows pick 20 and GC pick 24 and 26(more realistic)

F2 for 20.

Send 20, 37 and F4 for GC for 24 and 26. A the promise on no bids for Walter

That's 1, 23, 24 ans 26. That's 3 of the 4 picks of night 2
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If he slide to crows, I bet my left nut crows do a deal.

F1 and 37 for 10 14 F1 would be about right.

Crows still have 20 37 this year and potential top 3 pick next for Draper. Remember the father/son welsh already touted as first rounder as well AND they'll make another play for Petty. That is 3 first rounders they will need to secure them.

If they walk away with Draper petty and welsh next year despite making finals, they will cough up this year picks to achieve that.

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DRK_13 said:
Im fairly confident Bazzo and HEdwards will be fine after a few preseasons in the weight room.
No concerns there. They both read the ball well and are fairly mobile.
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With due respect, Harry had all the mobility of a Haulpak and about as much footy nous.

He makes Harry McKay look like a worthwhile investment.

Bazzo will however make it.

Has had a shiteful start to his career with the family tragedy and hopefully time and being involved in a footy club will at least dull the pain and allow him to have a stellar career.
 
Keys said:
Burning questions

With the draft less than a week away and the will we or won’t we take Reid debate seemingly over, these are my burning questions going into November 20/21 :

1) Who presents the club jumper to Reid on draft night?

With the AFL reportedly said to be encouraging clubs to incorporate past players more on draft night we have a few options.

Our recently retired captain and new assistant coach, Luke Shuey, who played 248 games after being recruited from Victoria could do it. Another recent retiree and club icon, Nic Naitanui would also be a good choice to hand over the baton as the clubs most marketable player.

Either would be fine and deserving of the honour

But one past player stands out. The symbolism of Ben Cousins handing Reid a West Coast Eagles jumper would be something else, especially if it has #9 already printed on the back. Cuz has been steadily getting his life back in order and having him representing the club in such an important moment in the clubs rebuild would be fantastic for the club, it’s supporters and Ben.

Make it happen West Coast

2) When does Dan Curtin get taken and does he slide far enough for us to make a play for him?

So much has been written about how keen we are on Curtin and how we needed to trade pick 1 to get him it seems odd he might slide outside the top 5. North might take him as might the Hawks who have paraded their interest but they both have other more likely targets. Bulldogs don’t need another tall so Melbourne loom as his first realistic landing spot

If he gets past them, maybe GWS listen to a trade offer using our F1 but pushing their top 10 pick into next year might not interest them unless it’s a lopsided offer in their favour. Ditto for noted fair traders Geelong and Essendon

Adelaide with pick 10 are the one club with an incentive to chase our F1 and the collateral to make a trade attractive enough, if Curtin slides that far. It’s unlikely, but with the likes of Caddy, Leake, Wilson, Windsor and O’Sullivan generating interest maybe those clubs go local, or near local in Leake’s case leaving the WA lad waiting for a home

Until his name gets called out, the unthinkable of Curtin joining Reid at West Coast will remain a tantalising possibility

3) How proactive will we be in improving our draft hand, if at all?

When the final siren of the GF announced Collingwood as premiers, our draft hand was 1,19,33,38,52,57 and 75. Thanks to Norths freeloading and overly generous FA compensation picks generally it now stands at 1,23,37,58 and 81 after we traded out our R3 and R4 picks to Hawthorn (what were 38 and 57 but became 44 and 63). Our 2nd pick likely blows out to 28 on draft night courtesy of academy and F/S selections

For a side that finished last it’s a somewhat underwhelming draft hand

Traditionally, WCE haven’t traded up in the draft preferring to split picks for multiple later picks and/or future picks with mixed success. This year though might be the year our recruiting team get aggressive and use future picks to improve our position if opportunity presents

I’ve already mentioned the possibility of using our F1 to get Curtin above. But if that doesn’t happen, or maybe even if it does, our F2 could be used with 23 to get us into the back end of R1. Or maybe on its own to get a very late R1 or early R2 pick.

Or we could use a combination of picks including our F2 or F3 to get one of those early 2nd picks Gold Coast are holding.

Or we could stay true to type and split what we’re assuming will be the first pick of the second night. Essendon with picks 31 and 35 look to be the most beneficial trade partner if we split 23, giving us those picks with 37 to use bearing in mind Gold Coast hold 24,26,27,32,36 and 38 that will be burned in bid matches

Or….

There’s a myriad of potential trades if the club wants to be proactive but as a minimum another pick in that very even range of the draft between 20 and 40 thereabouts should be targeted to go with the 23 and 37 we currently hold

Four picks inside 40 for the second year running after 3 in 2021 plus 2 No.1 MSD picks is building a decent tank of potential talent for the future

4) Will we pull the trigger on any high risk/high reward selections?

Three names have regularly been discussed that loom as very much boom or bust picks. We could go all three with the picks we have or none at all

a) Lance Collard
A West Coast NGA player who started the season as a realistic chance of going later than pick 40 where we could match a bid. Has ended the season as a potential late R1 pick who may not even be on the board for our second pick of the draft. Are we that keen we trade up into R1 to get him or do we hold our nerve and wait to see if he gets through night 1 undrafted. Do we even draft him then at all

b) Zane Zakostelsky
Like Collard his stocks have risen late on the back of a BOG performance in the colts GF and an impressive combine. Another KPD on the list would be handy and ZZ Top, whilst a raw talent, fits the bill. Should still be on the board for our 2nd pick which would be a slight reach given there’s a good chance of him lasting until our 3rd. Reach or run the risk of missing out.

c) Ashton Moir
Unlike the first two mentioned, Moir has gone backwards in 2023 from being a possible top 5 talent to a late 2nd/early 3rd round pick. A hip injury partially explains his poor year but there’s also questions on his application/commitment which may or may not be fair. Strong possibility he’s available at our 3rd pick where on talent he’d be a steal but he’s a risk when there’ll be other less talented but safer options. If he’s still there at our 4th pick, which is possible, then he’s probably worth a swing

There’s every chance that we have the opportunity to draft all three using our picks 23,37,58 (wherever they ultimately land) but that’s a definite boon or bust result. If all three hit their potential, along with Reid, it becomes a momentum shifting draft.

Or we play safe, some may say smart, and take players with a lower ceiling but a higher probability of reaching it. And make no mistake there’ll be good options at each of those selections

Moreso than Reid, those three picks will define our draft, making night 2 the far more interesting night for us

5) Do we use our 5th pick?

We are guaranteed to use our first 4 picks in this draft. That will leave two list spots open, at least one of which will be on the rookie list, maybe both

Pending any live trades, as mentioned earlier, our 5th pick which nominally is 81 but will likely be in the mid to high 50’s.

It’s been reported (by Mark Duffield) that our recruiters have identified approximately 55 players they consider draftable. So it’s likely our 5th pick would s getting towards the end of that list and given that we also have the first pick of the rookie draft we could hold until then to take a 5th player

We also have NGA players, Oscar Hine-Baston and Coen Livingstone, who will likely be there in the rookie draft to potentially fill the last two spots

Or we could leave one spot open to find a SSP option like Trey Ruscoe post draft, which would be unlikely if we use 5 picks in the main draft

I’m hoping we find another pick in the 15-40 range giving us 4 under 40 plus a roll of the dice with wherever pick 58 lands (high 40’s likely). Take a chance on Moir if he’s there or go someone like Clay Hall as a meat and potatoes type



In a week’s time we’ll know the answers to all of the above but until then those are the questions I’ll be pondering
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"The symbolism of Ben Cousins handing Reid a West Coast Eagles jumper would be something else".

Never going to happen, the optics would be terrible and imagine trying to sell that to parents of a draftee.

Here's Ben, a player that had it all and then lost 15 years of his life to drug addiction, put his family through absolute hell and has only recently turned it around.

Glad he has turned it around ATM, but he continues to face mammoth challenges and is a great cautionary tale for inductees, not a celebratory opportunity.

I remember his return game well. The row in front of us had a number of old ducks who all gave him a standing ovation.

At the time I was thinking WTF, he has almost single handedly destroyed the club, lied and pretty much shafted everyone who loved him.

Yep, standing ovation stuff it was and we all know how that turned out.
 
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With due respect, Harry had all the mobility of a Haulpak and about as much footy nous.

He makes Harry McKay look like a worthwhile investment.

Bazzo will however make it.

Has had a shiteful start to his career with the family tragedy and hopefully time and being involved in a footy club will at least dull the pain and allow him to have a stellar career.
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Agreed

Hewards will be decent depth but Bazzo will a star imo
 
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