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[docko911]

Which is my point. They got a heap of first rounders last year. It's called list management. There get find a good young list ready not one full of retreads. They know Swan will probably retire next year and free up space. Choke two years maybe. You watch we will invest in Chaplin for two more years. That's the difference

Collingwood are going backwards at a rate of knots.

I would be shocked if they or Geelong make finals next year, despite a lot of people suggesting they have both had such strong off-seasons.

Actually I'd go as far to say that our recruits will have more impact on our team than theirs will.

 

[docko911]

You don't usually have a very strong defence if one of your players is a complete liability so how does that explain Chaplin?

When our defence struggle it is the result of our midfield performing poor.

 

[TigerImposter]

Collingwood are going backwards at a rate of knots.

I would be shocked if they or Geelong make finals next year, despite a lot of people suggesting they have both had such strong off-seasons.

Actually I'd go as far to say that our recruits will have more impact on our team than theirs will.

Collingwood have a very strong young list. Their weakness is like ours they have a caretaker as a coach

 

[Lsta062]

I actually don't disagree with Treloar on some points. This club seems to be much more focused on winning a final rather than winning a Premiership, whereas teams like Geelong and Collingwood are more focused on winning the Premiership. Recent Premiership success from those teams will drive expectations higher at those clubs, whereas we haven't won a final since 2001.
I can see why players would be put off by that. Actually, this should give us an idea as to what goes through the mind of a gun player when picking between us and another club.

Having said that, I don't think Collingwood have a better list though based on output alone and not "potential" in the last 3 years prior to Treloar going there. Potential ≠ success, so Richmond have Collingwood's measure on performance in recent years. Now that they recruited Treloar, Howe and Aish, I am not so sure anymore. I still think Richmond is better even with those inclusions as I'd say that Richmond have a better spread of talent on-field, but we'll just have to wait and see.

In all honesty, losing that EF essentially ruled us out of getting a big gun this off season from the looks of it. You cannot lose an EF 3 years in a row after finishing 5th in two of those years and expect good talent to pick you over an up-and-coming team. You'd have portrayed yourself as a mentally weak club, and "potential" would be more attractive than that to them.

So overall, I have no problem with what Treloar said and am not bitter about his decision. If that is how he sees things, then it is what it is. We'll just have to grow our own talent. At least we don't lose them when they come on

 

[SpudsLoveChild]

Who cares what he says.

I'm looking forward to watching the pies continue their Bucks inspired slide down the ladder where they will keep Carlton and Essendon company.

 

[TigerImposter]

yet those first-rounders aren't as good as they think they are

Choke is past it and their best KPF is a 19 year old who bradburied 1 good game
Midfield is very good but thats about it, no Backline, no real Forwardline

It's all fine and well to have a tonne of kids but thats going down the Melbourne path of the kids getting ragdolled week in week out and stunting their development. We dont have anyone to adequately replace Chaplin - Elton needs a big pre-season in order to do it -

So you can say our kids are better than theirs
They still have peddles choke swan greenwood and a few others in the experienced list. Treloar is now an a grader. Will be Interesting to see who'll be right.

 

[Komrade_Tiger]

So you can say our kids are better than theirs
They still have peddles choke swan greenwood and a few others in the experienced list. Treloar is now an a grader. Will be Interesting to see who'll be right.

Our kids have show more than theirs, not a very long bow to draw to make that statement then.
Peddles is the only A-list in that group (incredible player), Choke is past it, Swan past it, Greenwood? pffft plodder

Treloar is a YOUNG a-grader, doesnt always translate to being an experienced a-grade (let's see how he goes with a man hanging off him at every stoppage)

 

[TigerImposter]

You don't usually have a very strong defence if one of your players is a complete liability so how does that explain Chaplin?

When our defence struggle it is the result of our midfield performing poor.

Good defences don't cough up bruise free goals.
Agree the midfield was poor in the EF , but not poorer than Chaplin especially that attempt to walk around Nahas. Showed how xxxx weak he is

 

[Agent13]

I'm really looking forward to Treloar following in his mentors footsteps. Gone to Lollingwood chasing a premiership, just like Bucks.

Over the next few years we win a couple, GWS win a couple and Treloar wins a Norm Smith in a losing side.

Karma.

 

[TigerImposter]

Our kids have show more than theirs, not a very long bow to draw to make that statement then.
Peddles is the only A-list in that group (incredible player), Choke is past it, Swan past it, Greenwood? pffft plodder

Treloar is a YOUNG a-grader, doesnt always translate to being an experienced a-grade (let's see how he goes with a man hanging off him at every stoppage)

Their kids are pretty young just like CEllis and Lennon. They've got a gun you carefully left out or carelessly over looked who is on par with CEllis .see if you can dig him up just to test your footy nous
Would have swan on my list before a few blokes on our list
They also have a young ruckman which is a major weakness of ours going into the future
The pendulum can change very quickly
The RFC has been bragging about their Cubs for years, but for some unknown reason they end up with a truck load of top up role players which get us close , but not close enough

 

[Komrade_Tiger]

Their kids are pretty young just like CEllis and Lennon. They've got a gun you carefully left out or carelessly over looked who is on par with CEllis .see if you can dig him up just to test your footy nous

who did i leave out? i responded to the players you mentioned

Would have swan on my list before a few blokes on our list

swan is past it. Only player i'd have him ahead of is Chappy but swanny aint a KPF

They also have a young ruckman which is a major weakness of ours going into the future

no arguments there but i can see one of them (Witts) being shaken loose for more game time in the near future

The pendulum can change very quickly
The RFC has been bragging about their Cubs for years, but for some unknown reason they end up with a truck load of top up role players which get us close , but not close enough

I refer to the 91pt drubbing of them. They've gone backwards every year relying more and more on those "terrific kids".

 

[TigerImposter]

who did i leave out? i responded to the players you mentioned

swan is past it. Only player i'd have him ahead of is Chappy but swanny aint a KPF

no arguments there but i can see one of them (Witts) being shaken loose for more game time in the near future

I refer to the 91pt drubbing of them. They've gone backwards every year relying more and more on those "terrific kids".

The 91 pt drubbing was meaningless as their season was over.also teams have a bad day at the office especially young ones.
Our list lost to Melbourne two years running ,ffs.You cannot categorize a young team as shite over a bad loss as most young teams have them
DeGoey is a future gun.

 

[Komrade_Tiger]

The 91 pt drubbing was meaningless as their season was over.also teams have a bad day at the office especially young ones.
Our list lost to Melbourne two years running ,ffs.You cannot categorize a young team as shite over a bad loss as most young teams have them
DeGoey is a future gun.

and Hawthorn have lost to us 3/4 times in the past 4 years does that make them shite?

This is 2 years running FIGJAM has made them may premiers - 8 and 3, only to fall to 11th/12th on the ladder

 

[Lsta062]

I refer to the 91pt drubbing of them.

No way is Richmond a 91 point better side than Collingwood. The fact that Collingwood won the inside 50s count proves that.

The big concern for Collingwood heading into next year is their two ends - especially their defence. They only marginally improved their forward line and don't seem to have improved their back line at all. I would have gone after someone like Carlisle if I was them.

Their midfield is quite good, and now that they have Treloar, it probably is better than ours if Dane Swan doesn't decline rapidly next season.

 

[Komrade_Tiger]

No way is Richmond a 91 point better side than Collingwood. The fact that Collingwood won the inside 50s count proves that.

The big concern for Collingwood heading into next year is their two ends - especially their defence. They only marginally improved their forward line and don't seem to have improved their back line at all. I would have gone after someone like Carlisle if I was them.

Their midfield is quite good, and now that they have Treloar, it probably is better than ours if Dane Swan doesn't decline rapidly next season.

They won the I50's on the back of their midfield (which i've never disputed as being their best area) but in the end it cost them as they we're chasing the ball for most of the game

 

[TigerImposter]

and Hawthorn have lost to us 3/4 times in the past 4 years does that make them shite?

This is 2 years running FIGJAM has made them may premiers - 8 and 3, only to fall to 11th/12th on the ladder

exactly who said we are shit?you just reinforced my point that teams have bad days and some have britches and ours is Hawthorn. think you got lost in your debate. it was the failed attempt to get AT by BH and DR we were talking about and that Collingwood are building a good young list.
So how do you rate DeGoey?

 

[Komrade_Tiger]

exactly who said we are shit?you just reinforced my point that teams have bad days and some have britches and ours is Hawthorn. think you got lost in your debate.

Yes teams have bad days yet they were in the game early (both games in fact) and we ran over them - do you not remember how many I50's they had in the 2nd qtr? the ball didnt go past the HF area for ~80% of that qtr.

it was the failed attempt to get AT by BH and DR we were talking about and that Collingwood are building a good young list.

AT took the money and ran, rightly or wrongly our guys thought they had got him (based on GWS CEO comments)

So how do you rate DeGoey?

watched many collingwood games (family are all collingwood) he doesnt "stand-out" and isn't flashy so his stat's are higher than you would think (played more games than i realised). Hard to say how good he'll be, as I personally believe you need to see a player given "attention" to see how they stand up to the heat - all well and fine to run rampant while your flying under the radar but it "inflates" their stats (easier to look a million bucks surrounded by stars)

 

[Lsta062]

They won the I50's on the back of their midfield (which i've never disputed as being their best area) but in the end it cost them as they we're chasing the ball for most of the game

Their inaccuracy and our accuracy didn't help them, but their delivery inside 50s in that game was very inadequate while ours was good.

The problem with them is, I don't think Treloar will fix their problems as much as he would have fixed ours. And certainly not as much as a good defender would have for example. Carlisle would have done them very well.

I am starting to feel that Collingwood's desire to get the best midfielder on the market will start to hurt them. Like I said, their forward line and back line needed much more attention than their midfield.

But anyways, I am not their recruiter, and I assume that their recruiter knows the list better than I do

 

[BedrockLP]

In case anyone was after some insight into why he went to Collingwood.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-11-18/pies-have-a-better-list-than-tigers-treloar

 

[Cody_]

Lol can't wait til we demolish them by 91 points again.

That will decide who's list is better.

 

[Komrade_Tiger]

Their inaccuracy and our accuracy didn't help them, but their delivery inside 50s in that game was very inadequate while ours was good.

The problem with them is, I don't think Treloar will fix their problems as much as he would have fixed ours. And certainly not as much as a good defender would have for example. Carlisle would have done them very well.

I am starting to feel that Collingwood's desire to get the best midfielder on the market will start to hurt them. Like I said, their forward line and back line needed much more attention than their midfield.

But anyways, I am not their recruiter, and I assume that their recruiter knows the list better than I do

all good points and all points I agree with. They have good midfield depth but nothing else really hence why i said FIGJAM is selling the farm

 

[Komrade_Tiger]

already talked about in the mega thread

 

[turtle27]

Deflection so the media get off their backs about the dodgy deal.

 

[docko911]

Brandon Ellis and Nick Vlastuin have shown more than any Collingwood youngster from 2015.

 

[living_in_syd]

Kinda points to thw fact we didnt sell our 'dream' better than collinwood