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AFLW 2024 - Round 8 - Chat, game threads, injury lists, team lineups and more.
“Neale had 0 flags so your point is invalid”.Also, I'm going to keep away from that Bolton thread, not long till trade week anyway. They keep bringing up comparisons that they only got 6 & 19 for Neale. Can't be bothered arguing.
They just wanna win every trade like us!!
Baker for 13 is pretty fair, considering it will be pick 15/16 come draft night. Chuck in a future 3rd rounder to make it look like they won the trade.
Pick 9 + another 1st rounder is minimum for Bolton. We don’t have to trade him if the teams chasing won’t give up fair value.
not me kemo sahbee, those on that trade thread.Bolton is better and under contract....
you obviously rate Brownlows as if they mean a lot
"Blair's too smart to **** up this opportunity." - Matt Clarke, to a mate of mine a few weeks ago.just a feeling. Hopefully we stick fat.
Just laugh react at everythingAlso, I'm going to keep away from that Bolton thread, not long till trade week anyway. They keep bringing up comparisons that they only got 6 & 19 for Neale. Can't be bothered arguing.
Who on earth has hyped him up in the last 24 months?
I hear you. Although we have to remember that Baker and Bolton want to go to WA. The WA teams aren’t chasing them with big deals. It’s just a perfect coincidence that all these picks are with the WA teams.WTF?
The only reason we think 13 is fair is because we have zero leverage. Throwing in a 3rd rounder is ludicrous. If Baker was under contract, then we wouldnt be letting him go for pick 13.
And... one more point. I dont care if we end up with a thousand picks, we shouldnt be throwing any away to sweeten any deal. The more picks we have, the more clubs will come begging for them to either:
a. collect points
b. jump the queue to get a player they want
c. get into this years draft and sell out of next years
Mark my words... we should not give ANY picks away in the trade period. Not one! Given the depth of this draft, our phone will be ringing before EVERY selection on draft night. And watch what is thrown at us just to jump 1-2 spots.
Every club will be ringing and saying... "we want player X, what will it take for you not to select him?".
Richmond - either tell em to cough, or watch them pony up.
We could end up with a draft haul for next year similar to this years. And this will be happening right the way through to the third and fourth rounds. Remember... you can trade picks once the trade period is closed, so l wouldnt even be trading with Brisbane until after the trade period. The longer we make them wait, the better for us. And if they try to collect the points from another club... we'll just pick Ashcroft first and make them pay even more.
The only thing we should be doing during trade week is collecting the best AND as many draft picks as possible. Even if we've got 25 picks... they'll be jizzing over us to get them on trade night.
One thing to remember is that we can only take as many picks to draft night as we have list spots. I assume that all pick trading will be done by then to coincide with list lodgements.WTF?
The only reason we think 13 is fair is because we have zero leverage. Throwing in a 3rd rounder is ludicrous. If Baker was under contract, then we wouldnt be letting him go for pick 13.
And... one more point. I dont care if we end up with a thousand picks, we shouldnt be throwing any away to sweeten any deal. The more picks we have, the more clubs will come begging for them to either:
a. collect points
b. jump the queue to get a player they want
c. get into this years draft and sell out of next years
Mark my words... we should not give ANY picks away in the trade period. Not one! Given the depth of this draft, our phone will be ringing before EVERY selection on draft night. And watch what is thrown at us just to jump 1-2 spots.
Every club will be ringing and saying... "we want player X, what will it take for you not to select him?".
Richmond - either tell em to cough, or watch them pony up.
We could end up with a draft haul for next year similar to this years. And this will be happening right the way through to the third and fourth rounds. Remember... you can trade picks once the trade period is closed, so l wouldnt even be trading with Brisbane until after the trade period. The longer we make them wait, the better for us. And if they try to collect the points from another club... we'll just pick Ashcroft first and make them pay even more.
The only thing we should be doing during trade week is collecting the best AND as many draft picks as possible. Even if we've got 25 picks... they'll be jizzing over us to get them on trade night.
Personally Im not upset at all if Shai stays on.
Even if we were to get picks 9&17, they’ll possibly become picks 12&20. To me that isn’t enough value to let go of a legitimate match winner at 25 years old.
He can still very well be a massive piece to this clubs future.
Adding a O’Sullivan(1)and Langford(6) to Bolton and Taranto makes a very nice core Midfield.
Get pick 10 for baker and you can throw in a Taj Hotton who could be as good as anyone in this draft.
Manage to snag pick 18 from Brisbane, and you could pick up a KP in Tauru or Whitlock.
If Gold Coast throw in an extra pick then we’ve got a couple more looks at a bit more talent.
Personally I would love to see Shai stay and become the player we’ve been dying to see him become.
There’s been plenty of cases where players haven’t got what they’ve wanted and had to come back to the club.Won't happen, he has already checked out.
Freo won't back out of getting Bolton, he is good as gone.There’s been plenty of cases where players haven’t got what they’ve wanted and had to come back to the club.
To me picks 9&17 aren’t enough and I don’t see Fremantle getting much else together to make it happen.
They won’t chew into any picks for next year as they have Warner in their sights.
How are you struggling so badly to wrap your head around this? It’s really not that complicated.It's actually quite relevant as you're claiming that we don't have the same quality as they had on our list at present.
Unlike Hawthorn we have Lynch Nankervis Vlastuin Broad Short Balta and possibly Graham who are already premiership players. None of the 2004 Hawthorn players you mentioned were that in 2004.
Also Hawthorn only got Hodge and Mitchell because they traded out Croad & McPharlin. 3 years later with them as part of the side they finished 15th, level on points with us and 1% off last. The following year they finished 3rd last.
As I said yesterday there are plenty of similarities between the 2 sides, what will make and break us is how well we nail the next 2 off seasons.
How are you struggling so badly to wrap your head around this? It’s really not that complicated.
The 10 Hawthorn players I mentioned were much younger than the Richmond premiership players you just reeled off. They were the crop coming through and they topped up with Franklin, Roughead, C. Rioli, etc. via the draft. If you want to be pedantic and say they “bottomed out”, fine. We can do that. But there are certain extents to which a team can bottom out and ours currently is on the extreme end whereas Hawthorn’s was moderate.
We’re trying to draft a batch of players similar to the Hawthorn 10 as we don’t have anything remotely similar to that type of quality coming through. All the premiership players you listed (bar maybe Balta) will be retired by the time this next crop we draft hits their peak, so I have no idea why you keep mentioning them as they will not be part of our next premiership. The 10 Hawthorn players I mentioned were part of their next premiership. This is a very important detail that you keep overlooking. So not only was their existing quality before they “bottomed out” a million times better than ours, their age demographic was in the sweet spot.
We are starting from scratch. The Hawthorn team wasn’t as they had two Brownlow medalists, a 2 x Norm Smith medalist and other high quality players on their list coming through PRIOR to their “rebuild”. We. Do. Not. Have. That. Quality. Right. Now. Comprende?
As I said, we are North Melbourne 2022. Not Hawthorn 2004. Stop kidding yourself with this shit.
They'll offer 9 & 10.There’s been plenty of cases where players haven’t got what they’ve wanted and had to come back to the club.
To me picks 9&17 aren’t enough and I don’t see Fremantle getting much else together to make it happen.
They won’t chew into any picks for next year as they have Warner in their sights.
Which is a shame, for us.One thing to remember is that we can only take as many picks to draft night as we have list spots. I assume that all pick trading will be done by then to coincide with list lodgements.
In 2022, North had Simpkin, Larkey, LDU, Xerri, Zurhaar, Curtis, Scott and Powell. I have excluded JHF, McKay, Ziebell, Goldstein and any other players that will not be around when/if North challenge.We are not North melbourne 2022 at all. We've still got half a team full of Premiership players, some of which we are about to trade out for king's ransoms, the rest of whom will act as strong leadership to our gun youngsters. North didn't have anything remotely like that and needed to go grovelling to the AFL to get a very strong suite of assistance to stop their wheels spinning.
I agree we are not as well stocked for certain prime movers as the Hawks were before 2004. But we are not starting from scratch at all. Nor are we starting from say Carlton's position in 2015 when they had only Cripps and Docherty of long term value on their list. We would likely have key defenders, hybrid defenders, most running defenders, wingers, and some, probably most of the small forwards we need on our list already. It is half a team. What is missing is the prime movers. Ruck(Hawks never had a really good one) key forwards(some of whom may already be there but that is speculative) and inside mids who can burst out of congestion and use the ball well.
Where Hawks took I think 3 rd 1 picks in 2004, we might be taking 7 in 2024. And we have free agency in our favour that they didn't have back then. So I think it is reasonable to say we are going to find it tough to contend within 4 years, but if we get things fairly right, we should be giving plenty of cheek not long after that.
Ha!Which is a shame, for us.
Last year in 20 minutes we traded down from 35 to 38, then again from 38 to 40, took MacAuliffe, and for the privilege were paid picks that this year have a value of pick 26
Nah, that was always based on the potential contract offered, not his actual worth.Everybody who thought we’d get pick 22 compo
Yes they were much younger but they weren't the quality players they became later on in their careers, that's the point you keep ignoring.How are you struggling so badly to wrap your head around this? It’s really not that complicated.
The 10 Hawthorn players I mentioned were much younger than the Richmond premiership players you just reeled off. They were the crop coming through and they topped up with Franklin, Roughead, C. Rioli, etc. via the draft. If you want to be pedantic and say they “bottomed out”, fine. We can do that. But there are certain extents to which a team can bottom out and ours currently is on the extreme end whereas Hawthorn’s was moderate.
Not overlooking anything, I'm just not putting lines through players who have barely got their careers started. Hawthorn finished top 4 in 2001 and then finished 15th & 14th in 2004 & 2005. To get the likes of Hodge and Mitchell they had to trade out 2 early/mid 20 year old players to get those picks something you keep overlooking.We’re trying to draft a batch of players similar to the Hawthorn 10 as we don’t have anything remotely similar to that type of quality coming through. All the premiership players you listed (bar maybe Balta) will be retired by the time this next crop we draft hits their peak, so I have no idea why you keep mentioning them as they will not be part of our next premiership. The 10 Hawthorn players I mentioned were part of their next premiership. This is a very important detail that you keep overlooking. So not only was their existing quality before they “bottomed out” a million times better than ours, their age demographic was in the sweet spot.
2004 was when Hawthorn started their rebuild as that is when Clarkson came in and went the youth path by prioritising them over the older guys. Yze is pretty much at the same stage the main difference is that we've already put a bit of development in to the kids and will be bringing in a number of top end talent at the same time, whereas Hawthorn hit the jackpot by landing Franklin Roughead Lewis & Birchall.We are starting from scratch. The Hawthorn team wasn’t as they had two Brownlow medalists, a 2 x Norm Smith medalist and other high quality players on their list coming through PRIOR to their “rebuild”. We. Do. Not. Have. That. Quality. Right. Now. Comprende?
We're nothing like North, our senior experience is much better than what North had, so their ability to mentor the kids should be a lot better and we shouldn't be struggling as much as they did and continue to do.As I said, we are North Melbourne 2022. Not Hawthorn 2004. Stop kidding yourself with this shit.
Possibly , a lot tho will depend on availability, we were at extremes in terms of what we could put on the park , with an avg 16 plus unavailable most weeks , teams with much stronger lists than our struggled when they had an injury list only half of ours . If we got ours down to no more than a handful then that alone will mean we put a more competitive outfit onto the parkWe could win more games next year than last year and still finish last.
The reality is NM and to a lesser extent WC are a couple of years into drafting elite talent, we are just starting,
And we’re losing 3 of our top 5-6 players.
Even if we have a good run with injury , it’s hard to see us getting above 17.
It’s not all doom and gloom though, as supporters we get to sit back and watch our kids from this draft and the next few drafts develop and become Premiership players post 2027
The fact you can't see the difference between us and North is hilarious. You use revisionist approaches to compare lists from yester-year to ours without considering how it was viewed at the time.In 2022, North had Simpkin, Larkey, LDU, Xerri, Zurhaar, Curtis, Scott and Powell. I have excluded JHF, McKay, Ziebell, Goldstein and any other players that will not be around when/if North challenge.
We will not have better long term prospects heading into 2025 than the bolded players listed above. Taranto, Hopper, Balta, Gibcus, Rioli Jr, Ross, etc. are not better. They are arguably substantially worse.
Unlike RT, at least you understand what I’m saying, but I feel you’re overrating the quality of our young players. They’ve barely shown anything at the highest level. Plus the positions you listed are the hardest to fill apart from ruck.
We have some meat and potatoes (albeit of very low quality). It’s going to be a long road back. North are 2-3 years ahead of us with their rebuild but I feel we’re coming from further back.
This talk of us being Hawthorn prior to Buddy and co joining is absolutely laughable.
Not sure we had a top 3 pick in that time did we? So that rules out Hodge. Mitchell is the tougher one. Pick 36. Maybe Kane McCauliffe makes it. Hopefully not though... not worth anyone eating a Groupie turdI'll make Versailles eat a Groupie_ turd if any of our 2021-2023 crop become Hodge or Mitchell lol.
This here kiddies is what is known as a burner account specifically used to troll Richmond at certain times of the yearIn your mind they may be done.
GC wouldn’t be keen on 6 & 12 for Rioli. Unless Tigers throw in a future 2nd or later 20s pick this year for points.
And I don’t think 9 & 10 have been offered for Bolton. More 9 & 17.
- Freo also a chance to trade up the board with their picks. You could see them trade 9&10 for North’s Pick 2 and something. (My made up scenario)
Are West Coast really willing to fall back that far in the draft for Baker? They are on the re-build too and would love another gun next to Reid. No word of trades here yet. Draper, FOS, Lalor would look nice next to Reid. (My made up scenario)
It’s easy to live in a fantasy land and think we know how every trade will end up.