List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency Part 9

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[Morro]

Listen here you cheeky lil campaigner, I didnt say we were interested, I said we should be.

Just relax ay,

 

[tigerdan]

Yes, McClure's father was a respected journalist.
Sam should change his surname to Hacklure.

Mark McLure is such a rusted on traumatised Carlton hack that he called Dusty "just a B grader".

**** him.

 

[eaglevision]

Cheers for that. Right price?
Playing the role of buyer, an even draft means lower than usual price to upgrade? Especially if you’re meh on whoever is likely to be taken by us at 3

I know better than to suggest a pick trade on an oppo board but happy to respond with my opinion to any reasonable trade proposals you (or anyone) would have if you’re interested.

We’d have our target at 3, but we’d also have targets at other pick levels and at the end of the day it’s as simple as if we felt we were getting more back than we were giving, we’d do the trade. Much like the position you’re in with Bolton and Rioli, they are contracted but you’re happy to release them for the right price in your favour. You aren’t going to trade them to help out GCS or Freo.

Ok,

I was coming from this angle that you give up pick 3 and drop to pick 6 which still gives you a shot at getting 1 of the better 6 mids on offer. As an incentive to do that we throw in pick 21 (1st pick of the 2nd round which can be very valuable)

On Baker, your not give us pick 12 for him straight up, but for you to get Baker i could see us getting you to obtain an additional 2 2nd round picks in the top 30 plus Baker for that pick 12. This draft might have half a dozen better mids but it appears that the draft is very deep so those picks in the 20's potentially have a chance to grab some decent youth.

Just wanted to have a muck around than the standard trade A for B scenrios we been reading for a week, think its going to take multiple teams involved for each team to be satisfied, from a Richmond perspective getting pick 3 would be huge.

All fair points but all is not what it seems. For example, IMO Murphy Reid is likely to be the best player available with pick 6. However, he has said at interviews he’d hate to go interstate and is a huge flight risk. So all of a sudden we’re losing value for that pick already because we won’t select him. FOS on the other hand (if available) has said he’d just love to get an opportunity at any club and would love to come to WCE. All of a sudden pick 3 is hugely more valuable to us as an interstate team and yes, there would be a premium on it.

I don’t want Baker under any circumstance other than a player trade although I suspect WCE are likely to make Graham an overpaid offer of band 3 (pick 22) money/length and will ask Richmond to view Graham and Baker as a whole when negotiating a trade price involving other picks. I just hope he picks Freo.

 

[eaglevision]

So 24 year old Balta that will be a free agent next year and get offers around $1.5 mil a year and likely to attract pick #2 compo is similar to a 29 year old Barrass that the eagles wont pay extra 100k to keep

Really

FFS I knew someone would pick this apart I just didn’t think it would be you because it’s not the point of the post. Whilst it might be an unpopular opinion in here, any top 4 side would take Barrass over Balta if they are in the window and going for a flag now.

However, a team like us, you or North would obviously prefer Balta as a 24yo who (hopefully) will be playing his prime footy when the team is back in finals contention.

Players are not worth the same value to every team. Hawthorn are seemingly happy to pay pick 12 plus more for a soon to be 29 year old Barrass, but there’s no way Richmond would.

 

[SA_Tiger11]

There better be some substance to the Leek Aleer rumour or else I’m gonna be upset.

 

[eaglevision]

Baker + #10 for #3 is more than fair imo
I wouldnt offer anymore

Matty Clarke will jump at that deal on the last day as there is no harley Reid available at pick #3

They will take Bo Allen and be happy

We’re not going to trade down from pick 3 to pick 10 just to get Baker. If we ended up doing the proposed trade with Freo 3,23 for 9,10 and WB 1R, that might be more feasible with the WB 1R but I hope we’re not.

 

[Sherriff Incorporated]

I know better than to suggest a pick trade on an oppo board but happy to respond with my opinion to any reasonable trade proposals you (or anyone) would have if you’re interested.

We’d have our target at 3, but we’d also have targets at other pick levels and at the end of the day it’s as simple as if we felt we were getting more back than we were giving, we’d do the trade. Much like the position you’re in with Bolton and Rioli, they are contracted but you’re happy to release them for the right price in your favour. You aren’t going to trade them to help out GCS or Freo.



All fair points but all is not what it seems. For example, IMO Murphy Reid is likely to be the best player available with pick 6. However, he has said at interviews he’d hate to go interstate and is a huge flight risk. So all of a sudden we’re losing value for that pick already because we won’t select him. FOS on the other hand (if available) has said he’d just love to get an opportunity at any club and would love to come to WCE. All of a sudden pick 3 is hugely more valuable to us as an interstate team and yes, there would be a premium on it.

I don’t want Baker under any circumstance other than a player trade although I suspect WCE are likely to make Graham an overpaid offer of band 3 (pick 22) money/length and will ask Richmond to view Graham and Baker as a whole when negotiating a trade price involving other picks. I just hope he picks Freo.

Murphy Reid has been brilliant in recent times. If WC trade pick 3 and their second rounder and 3rd rounder for 6 and 10 to Richmond (Part of Bolton ad Rioli trades) they could end up with Reid and Bo Allan.Richmond get enough points from the trade to help them get Brisbanes first rounder.

I cant see WC offering more than a future second in trade for Baker as he's doesnt fill a key need.

 

[THE_GUN]

FFS I knew someone would pick this apart I just didn’t think it would be you because it’s not the point of the post. Whilst it might be an unpopular opinion in here, any top 4 side would take Barrass over Balta if they are in the window and going for a flag now.

However, a team like us, you or North would obviously prefer Balta as a 24yo who (hopefully) will be playing his prime footy when the team is back in finals contention.

Players are not worth the same value to every team. Hawthorn are seemingly happy to pay pick 12 plus more for a soon to be 29 year old Barrass, but there’s no way Richmond would.

Sorry dude i will read the rest of the post after i respond but just couldnt get past this line without responding

ARE YOU JOKING !!!!

Balta is an athletic gun that is a rance like defender that can also go foward and kick goals and shut down gun KPF
barrass is a shocking 1 on 1 defender but a great intercept defender

No chance any top 4 team is taking Barrass over balta playing for a premiership





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[eaglevision]

Murphy Reid has been brilliant in recent times. If WC trade pick 3 and their second rounder and 3rd rounder for 6 and 10 to Richmond (Part of Bolton ad Rioli trades) they could end up with Reid and Bo Allan.Richmond get enough points from the trade to help them get Brisbanes first rounder.

I cant see WC offering more than a future second in trade for Baker as he's doesnt fill a key need.

Did you read what I wrote? Reid does NOT want to leave Victoria. WCE know this and will not select him. Same as Sheezel.

He’s been bloody fantastic but does not want to play for west coast.

 

[THE_GUN]

We’re not going to trade down from pick 3 to pick 10 just to get Baker. If we ended up doing the proposed trade with Freo 3,23 for 9,10 and WB 1R, that might be more feasible with the WB 1R but I hope we’re not.

That is what i would be happy to offer to upgrade that pick and its just my opinion but thats ok if you dont agree
Now with that other option of trade with freo which of these juicy 1st rounders is coming to Richmond

 

[eaglevision]

Sorry dude i will read the rest of the post after i respond but just couldnt get past this line without responding

ARE YOU JOKING !!!!

Balta is an athletic gun that is a rance like defender that can also go foward and kick goals and shut down gun KPF
barrass is a shocking 1 on 1 defender but a great intercept defender

No chance any top 4 team is taking Barrass over balta playing for a premiership


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We’ll have to disagree on that one Gunner.

Continue reading.

 

[Sherriff Incorporated]

Did you read what I wrote? Reid does NOT want to leave Victoria. WCE know this and will not select him. Same as Sheezel.

He’s been bloody fantastic but does not want to play for west coast.

I really dont think it matters. It's the exact same rumours that led to speculation you were going to pass on Harley Reid. WC should simply draft the best player available.

 

[eaglevision]

I really dont think it matters. It's the exact same rumours that led to speculation you were going to pass on Harley Reid. WC should simply draft the best player available.

It does matter and it’s not the same. Murphy did an interview last year which was published saying being drafted interstate would be his worst nightmare. Harley regularly said it was all vic media bullshit and he’d be happy to go to WCE.

Sheezel was the best available but he made it clear he’d come back to Melbourne in 2 years for family and the Jewish community so we split the pick. It does matter.

Richmond board probably doesn’t need to hear anything else on the matter.

 

[Groupie_]

There better be some substance to the Leek Aleer rumour or else I’m gonna be upset.

 

[Mr Unbelievable]

I'm married and 3 kids, not sure the Mrs would be pleased, but what you got?

Edit: you guys are all campaigners, just humour me please we arent playing in September.

 

[richoatthedisco]

FOS on the other hand (if available) has said he’d just love to get an opportunity at any club and would love to come to WCE. All of a sudden pick 3 is hugely more valuable to us as an interstate team and yes, there would be a premium on it.

FOS is not getting past pick 2, and should not get past pick 1.

any top 4 side would take Barrass over Balta if they are in the window and going for a flag now.

No team in the league would take Barrass over Balta.

 

[Frustrated Tiger]

Where did you hear this mate?

I mentioned him as someone I would love months ago that is behind some elite backmen at the giants.

Little birdie told me.... I'll keep you updated if I hear anything else.

 

[Lord of the Wings]

Definitely sh

not be blamed for the performance against the Hawks. I don’t know why

Go and have a look at the Tigers/Hawks game and see how Miller was beaten. Watch the replay where the hawks were running the ball out of their defence into our defensive 50 then stop the replay and count the number of hawks players in the 50 are verses the number of tigers inside the 50. Blaming Miller when the mids and even the small defenders were not manning up on their players is just unfair.

When Gunston and Cholly looked like the 2nd coming of Wayne Carey in that game I'm pretty sure Miller was at fault for a large part of that.

 

[strauchy]

Harley Reid won't leave WCE, this talk needs to stop. He's not a JHF.

 

[guruisatiger]

I know better than to suggest a pick trade on an oppo board but happy to respond with my opinion to any reasonable trade proposals you (or anyone) would have if you’re interested.

We’d have our target at 3, but we’d also have targets at other pick levels and at the end of the day it’s as simple as if we felt we were getting more back than we were giving, we’d do the trade. Much like the position you’re in with Bolton and Rioli, they are contracted but you’re happy to release them for the right price in your favour. You aren’t going to trade them to help out GCS or Freo.



All fair points but all is not what it seems. For example, IMO Murphy Reid is likely to be the best player available with pick 6. However, he has said at interviews he’d hate to go interstate and is a huge flight risk. So all of a sudden we’re losing value for that pick already because we won’t select him. FOS on the other hand (if available) has said he’d just love to get an opportunity at any club and would love to come to WCE. All of a sudden pick 3 is hugely more valuable to us as an interstate team and yes, there would be a premium on it.

I don’t want Baker under any circumstance other than a player trade although I suspect WCE are likely to make Graham an overpaid offer of band 3 (pick 22) money/length and will ask Richmond to view Graham and Baker as a whole when negotiating a trade price involving other picks. I just hope he picks Freo.

Hypothetical we get pick 6 for Daniel rioli
We have your 3rd round pick this year currently sitting at 41
So we offer pick 6 and 41 and jacob blight and liam Baker
In return for your pick 3 pick plus your 2nd round pick currently sitting at 23 and jai culley

 

[guruisatiger]

When Gunston and Cholly looked like the 2nd coming of Wayne Carey in that game I'm pretty sure Miller was at fault for a large part of that.

Miller was in nomans land that whole game

 

[THE_GUN]

Hypothetical we get pick 6 for Daniel rioli
We have your 3rd round pick this year currently sitting at 41
So we offer pick 6 and 41 and jacob blight and liam Baker
In return for your pick 3 pick plus your 2nd round pick currently sitting at 23 and jai culley

Im actually happy to hold onto pick #6
Baker + Blight + #57 for #23+F2

 

[Bojangles17]

Gray showed alot more then Blight in the vfl and has more afl traits and younger to.

Love the look of grey and was spitting chips he got injured a week before a likely debut , couldn’t fault blight at VFL yet to really transacted that intercept at afl but who does after 3 games , showed enough to warrant a contract that’s for sure but can’t help but think we e fkd up here overlooking mclachlan,,, when you’re shit mind who you’re drafting , it’s a factor

 

[eaglevision]

Hypothetical we get pick 6 for Daniel rioli
We have your 3rd round pick this year currently sitting at 41
So we offer pick 6 and 41 and jacob blight and liam Baker
In return for your pick 3 pick plus your 2nd round pick currently sitting at 23 and jai culley

6, 41, Baker and Blight for 3, 23 and Culley?

I wouldn’t do it. If we traded pick 3 we’d want two mid 1Rs (6-12) back from it. I think Blight as a straight swap for Culley is a fair trade, which was mentioned by one of your posters.

Hopefully Baker goes to Freo, far better for everybody. But if you trade Rioli, Baker and Bolton you’ll definitely have the picks to get pick 3, just a matter of if there’s any common ground in how Richmond and West Coast value it.

 

[Bojangles17]

Im actually happy to hold onto pick #6
Baker + Blight + #57 for #23+F2

We prob won’t use 57 but if we were then no that’s not needed