List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency talk Pt 2

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Tomnat Tigers said:
Not even close. He had a good finals series (vastly overrated mind you) but lets not forget he come up against no ruckman that could expose his biggest flaw which is his ruck work. He got exposed week one against a bigger McInerney and we were very lucky that Ryder went down and he only had to deal with Marshall. While Lycett and Stanley (lol) are nothing to write home about. He isn't someone you spend massive dollars on to keep at the club in the same way you would spend massive dollars on to bring him to your club.
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Your problem is you think he's in the side because of his Ruckwork.
 
Tiger71 said:
Cheers mate. Now with lockdown over I am in overdrive finding work, that is taking 100% of my time and to be honest trade news is the least of my worries atm.
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What industry do you work in mate?
I probably won’t be able to help you personally but might be able to pass your details onto some people who can
 

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GoTigers2015 said:
Gary Buckenara analyses Richmond’s list after the 2020 season

With three premierships in four years Richmond has created its own dynasty and this team comfortably sits alongside the great Brisbane (2001-2004) and Hawthorn (2012-2015) teams of the modern era.

Winning a three-peat is not out of the question, in fact the Tigers will be premiership contenders for at least the next three years. But as we know, talent alone doesn’t guarantee success so Trent Cotchin, Damien Hardwick and the leaders need to keep the hunger alive, which is one of the great challenges. It’s why those Brisbane and Hawthorn teams are so revered.

This Richmond group has maintained that desire to win and belief in each other and it’s why history will look back on them in the same light as those great sides.

These Tigers players have already entered the history books by winning back-to-back premierships but the opportunity is there to become one of, if not the most successful and decorated team in the club’s history.

What has been most impressive about this group hasn’t been the ability to assemble a team of superstars. It’s been the development and improvement of players who weren’t top draft picks but have become high-quality AFL players. They’re the reason for the sustained success.

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While the Tigers have their A-graders like Cotchin, Dustin Martin, Jack Riewoldt, Shane Edwards and Tom Lynch, what sets the most successful teams apart from the rest is the strength of the lesser-lights and the guys who are the 15-22 ranked players in the best 22. The improvement from Liam Baker, Jayden Short, Ivan Soldo, Noah Balta, Shai Bolton and Jake Aarts (despite him only playing in the qualifying final) to not only fill roles but become very damaging players has meant there was no drop off when Cotchin, Prestia and Toby Nankervis were injured and Edwards and Bachar Houli weren’t there.

It’s a credit to the recruiting and list management teams who have executed a plan and identified players capable of filling roles in Hardwick’s game style and they’ve done it without having access to high draft picks. Richmond has not had a pick inside the top 12 since 2015. Baker (2017), Short, Soldo (both 2014) and Aarts (2018) were rookie draft picks, Balta was a pick 25 and Bolton was pick 29. Talk about nailing the draft.

Jason Castagna (rookie, 2014), Kane Lambert (rookie, 2014), Marlion Pickett (mid-season draft, 2019), Nathan Broad (pick 67, 2015) and Jack Graham (pick 53, 2016) are other examples of key players who weren’t high draft picks but have become seriously good AFL players.

As much as Hardwick is a great coach and the superstars get the fanfare, a lot of credit for Richmond’s success must go to the recruiting, list management and development staff, as well as the fitness and medical teams who have done a great job to keep the best players on the park. These have been Richmond’s secret weapons.

LIST NEEDS

Riewoldt has just turned 32 and given the success of the Riewoldt-Tom Lynch set-up, and with no real genuine developing key forwards on the list, I’d be looking to draft one or two to begin to plan for life after Riewoldt.

Overall Richmond has a very balanced group and the strength and depth of the list is evident. That means they can target specific experienced players in the trade and free agency periods and continue to stockpile young talent in the draft.
TRADE TARGETS

Richmond isn’t a major player in the trade period, with the focus on keeping this brilliant list together. They were linked early to North Melbourne’s Jared Polec, who’d be a handy get to inject more speed on the wing. If the Kangaroos pay a portion of his contract, Polec would be a potential steal as I can see him playing a valuable role. The Tigers’ quick ball movement would suit him. Unlikely to cost much in a trade.

UNTOUCHABLES
Cotchin, Martin, Edwards, Riewoldt, Lynch, Prestia, Baker, Balta, Castagna, Lambert, Pickett, Short, Bolton, Houli, Prestia, David Astbury, Mabior Chol, Riley Collier-Dawkins, Dylan Grimes, Jack Higgins, Daniel Rioli, Ivan Soldo and Nick Vlastuin.

TRADE BAIT
Jack Higgins has been linked to St Kilda and is assessing his options. He’s an extremely talented small forward who I rated as the best small forward/midfielder in his draft in 2017 and had him rated as a top-10 talent, even though he slipped to No.17. He’s an untouchable in my book. He’s obviously had health challenges that have impacted his career so far, so I wouldn’t read much into him being overtaken by the likes of Jake Aarts this year. I still see him playing a valuable role at Richmond and eventually pushing into the midfield and given he’s contracted, it would need to be a compelling trade for the Tigers to consider it. The Saints would need to offer a top-20 pick at a minimum.

Oleg Markov has already found a new home at Gold Coast as he searches for more senior opportunities, while players like Ryan Garthwaite and Jack Ross could attract interest late and be tempted by the offer of more senior games. Ross has impressed me as a big-bodied midfielder who’s handled the pressure of AFL football and a club like Carlton, desperate for this type of player, might inquire but the Tigers will do all they can to keep him.

LIST BREAKDOWN
A-grade: Martin, Lynch, Cotchin, Edwards, Astbury, Grimes, Prestia, Riewoldt

B: Baker, Castagna, Graham, Houli, Lambert, McIntosh, Nankervis, Pickett, Rioli, Short, Soldo, Vlastuin

C: Aarts, Broad, Caddy, Chol, Eggmolesse-Smith, Garthwaite

Developing (with A-B grade potential): Balta, Bolton, Collier-Dawkins, Higgins, Ross, Stack

Developing: Coleman-Jones, Cumberland, Dow, Martyn, Miller, Naish, Nyuon, Ralphsmith

What the ratings mean:

A-grade: Elite player on any AFL list

B: Top 10-18 player on most lists

C: An 18-30 player on a list

Developing: Aged 21 or under

CRYSTAL BALL

With a league-high eight A-graders, 12 B-graders and six players aged 21 or under with the potential to develop into A or B-graders, Richmond’s list is the envy of almost every club and will see the Tigers challenging strongly for more premierships over the next three years at least. This has been a wonderful era and while the players have already cashed in with three flags in four years, why stop now? Keep the hunger alive because the chance to be part of such a strong team doesn’t come along in the AFL often. The opportunity to further etch their names in Richmond folklore can drive this group to truly special things.


No way we would be interested in that one way runner Polec IMO
First round pick or GTFO for Higgins.
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i like the level of detail, while everyone here wont agree with some things that were said , that fact someone outside our tent is saying our next three years could be big needs to be listened to , our premiership window is very much wide open
we need luck , injuries can cripple anyone's hopes and ours have come early enough in the last two seasons to cope with
we need the guys to stay hungry and focused and that includes coaches , conditioning staff etc
premierships just dont fall into your lap too often
but we are faced with an awesome launching pad for the next few years

Go Tiges
 
Tiger71 said:
Cheers mate. Now with lockdown over I am in overdrive finding work, that is taking 100% of my time and to be honest trade news is the least of my worries atm.
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Price you pay for being a Tiger.
If you were a Pie.No such worry looking for a job.In fact you couldn't spell it.
All the best in your endevours in these trying times.
 
Wacky Tiger said:
We haven't turned into Collingwood people. We aren't about to go and spend overs on our role players.

I'm sure Pickett has gotten a nice pay rise on what he was on but trust Blair and the club. They got this all sorted.


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Hopefully is closer to 500 over 2 years. Not per season... Otherwise might as well have kept Brando Ellis
 
THE_GUN said:
Really ? Grimes is a AA backman and integral part of our defence and he would be easily on $600k and Nank has just signed a new contract being a 3 x Premiership ruckman with so many teams looking for Rucks and we are short. You may be surprised as he is not staying for $450k
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There is a chance guys like Grimes are being paid below market value. Dusty took massive unders , it's possible others did too?

Do you really think cotchin and Jack are on those amounts, stilk? I certainly hope not.

The whispers Richmond were happy to give a large wage to Hogan and or crouch - if the chickens gizzards feel the right way makes me think. Hope, it's not as dire as you reckon.
 
THE THIN MAN said:
If the next 2 years are close to 500k per season, I wonder how much catch up is for 2020?
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That's my thought. The club might be rewarding him for doing it so tough. And I would guess that the players would take this on board as the Richmond thing to do for Marlion. SO perhaps a win win for Marlion and the club.
 
Marcel Proust said:
Hopefully is closer to 500 over 2 years. Not per season... Otherwise might as well have kept Brando Ellis
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Tiger71 said:
Cheers mate. Now with lockdown over I am in overdrive finding work, that is taking 100% of my time and to be honest trade news is the least of my worries atm.
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Good luck mate
Stay healthy and happy
 

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nineteen eighty said:
We've been very quiet this off season. Does anyone else think the club will be making a play for next year? I'm assuming we will have Rance's dollars to spend and if we don't spend them this year, they'll be there to spend next year?

Does anyone have the free agency list for next year?

edit: here's the list. Josh Kelly anyone 👍

AFL Out of Contract Players in 2021

List of AFL players coming out of contract at the end of 2021.
www.footywire.com
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No doubt.
Only question what type we're after.
Mid/KP/Def.
 
GoTigers2015 said:
Norf dropped him for his lack of defensive running.
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Fair enough.

Maybe they mean being too soft at the contest but we're being diplomatic.

Fwiw I thought he was keeping north in the port game but then he Squibbed it which hurt north.

He often appears to be norfs only player trying to do something positive. He has the bravery to take the ga3me on. Other are stagnant and kick sideways or back
 
Imagine if Vossy gets the lolNorf gig. Poor old Polec has spent his career trying to get away from Voss


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Tiger_Of_Old said:
Short memory.We won 19 with both Soldo & Nank.Would've done the same this year.Stepped up when needed in finals.Beat both Port rucks as the game went on. not 1 but yes 2 in a high taxing game.How are those highly rated ruckman going?
Grundy-Failed the test in 18gf & 19Pf.
Gawn-Went missing in the final in Perth.
In fact Nank has been the most consistent ruckman in finals since his arrival at the club.
Deserves a pay rise and did get one.
End of story.
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Like all our players probably going to receive more money if they change clubs. Glad that Nank stayed. Super important player. Doesn't beat every opponent. May not be the best ruckman in the league but I saw great games every final. TBH having no Soldo as backup suited his playing style. Big minutes and combative.
We are nicely placed with ruck depth. I'm sure CJ can exceed what Chol did and that should get us through 2021.
 
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