List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency talk Pt 7

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[TheOptimum18]

Nank is fine as a ruck. He was terrific before he got a 3-week suspension.

Amongst ruckman:

Disposals: 4th in AFL
Tackles: #1
Clearances : #8

We want more marks and goals, but he’s hard at the contest, tackles very well, gets plenty of the ball and is good for clearances.

I’d happily replace him as captain, but he’s the least of our worries in regards to our list, and it would be stupid to look to trade him, because all we’d be doing is looking for an inferior version to replace him.


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Nank is a defensive ruck, and the stats back them up.

You look at players like English, Gawn, Briggs and Marshall (probably 4 of the 5 best performing rucks this season), and they all impact forawrd of the ball, either with creating scores from stoppage or just gaining territory with inside 50s.

Nank excels within a contest, and will battle it out to the end. But he isn't an offensive threat, and it feels like (from the eye test) that his defensive output has dropped.

I'm 50/50 as to whether he's the least of our worries, and it's certainly something the new coach will need to ponder.

 

[dorianyates]

All these people desperately craving a KPF … yes we need some sizeable forwards, but let’s not panic about needing Riewoldt quality.

Pies are top-4 with Mihocek, McStay and Cox.

Demons are top-4 with McDonald injured and then Brown, JVR and Melksham.

Port are top-4 with Finlayson and Marshall … Finlayson has 39 and Marshall has 1 more goal than Jack. (Dixon has been hobbled most of year).

Swans are in top-8 with McLean, Amartey and McDonald their leading KPF with 28 goals.

So there’s no reason to desperately seek a high priced KPF star. Eagles have one in Allen and they are diabolical. North have one in Larkey and they are on a 19-game losing streak. GC have one in Ben King and they sacked their coach.

It’s just one piece of the puzzle, and compared to midfield and defence it’s the least important part to be a successful team.

So yes we need to bring in some capable KPF’s with some size about them…. but crash and bash and not get outmarked is all we need.


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Those teams you have mentioned are shiezen to what Richmond were with JR and Lynch. It’s why I can’t rest easy about Geelong and feel like Carlton can be a threat
Richmond could always throw Valtq forward to crash ad bash

 

[Bird Man]

Watch us trade Dusty for a first-rounder that we will use on a Defender

 

[tora tora tora]

All these people desperately craving a KPF … yes we need some sizeable forwards, but let’s not panic about needing Riewoldt quality.

Pies are top-4 with Mihocek, McStay and Cox.

Demons are top-4 with McDonald injured and then Brown, JVR and Melksham.

Port are top-4 with Finlayson and Marshall … Finlayson has 39 and Marshall has 1 more goal than Jack. (Dixon has been hobbled most of year).

Swans are in top-8 with McLean, Amartey and McDonald their leading KPF with 28 goals.

So there’s no reason to desperately seek a high priced KPF star. Eagles have one in Allen and they are diabolical. North have one in Larkey and they are on a 19-game losing streak. GC have one in Ben King and they sacked their coach.

It’s just one piece of the puzzle, and compared to midfield and defence it’s the least important part to be a successful team.

So yes we need to bring in some capable KPF’s with some size about them…. but crash and bash and not get outmarked is all we need.


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Lynch and Gibcus injuries mean we can't look at our best setup with existing players. No KPF we have rolled Ryan, Cumberland, Pickett, Bauer, Miller, Soldo/Nank through the forward line as tall fwds.

When Astbury left the club wasn't happy with our depth and brought in Tarrant. It worked. Young stepped up this year. It'd be harder to get a KPF to shift clubs. Has any VFL clubs got players for 2 years?

Or Draft Caddy.

Good and crap KPFs are getting dropped. Weideman, Lobb. Lynch, Cumbo Ryan is probably good enough. Hope for Gibcus to get fit. PLan B Dusty, Lynch money on the King twins.

 

[tora tora tora]

Nank is a defensive ruck, and the stats back them up.

You look at players like English, Gawn, Briggs and Marshall (probably 4 of the best 5 performing rucks this season), an they all impact forawrd of the ball, either with creating scores from stoppage or just gaining territory with inside 50s.

Nank excels within a contest, and will battle it out to the end. But he isn't an offensive threat, and it feels like (from the eye test) that his defensive output has dropped.

I'm 50/50 as to whether he's the least of our worries, and it's certainly something the new coach will need to ponder.

We had a crack at it in 2023, no success. 5 or 6 off the list this year with a new KPF. 5 or 6 retired next year is not bad list regeneration speed.

Grimes and Nank being captains. Not a good idea. Anyhow, Its going to take a year or 2 for a new coach to do anything radical with the list.

Nank is 199cm. So short for a ruck. Ryan as backup has been good and would be adequate ruck depth. Soldo has been good back up for Nank but Ryan got a baptism this year.

 

[Truetiger]

Watch us trade Dusty for a first-rounder that we will use on a Defender

Would be interesting to see if a club gives up a first rounder, at his stage of his career.

 

[tiger_tough]

Would be interesting to see if a club gives up a first rounder, at his stage of his career.

No chance IMO

 

[Bojangles17]

Could you trade Lynch for Brodie Grundy, sign Riccardi, trade out Nankervis. Maybe Swans take Nankervis.
You would expect Melbourne if they don't win the flag to give you Grundy, F3 for Lynch.
Riccardi worth about pick 35, Nankervis about pick 40. Swans might pay more than 40 for him though.

1 Grundy is useless these days , c grade level in terms of performance output , take his name out of it , pic 45-55 would be currency . Riccardi is just at the level , I’d have him at our club not at any great price tho

 

[Bojangles17]

Would be interesting to see if a club gives up a first rounder, at his stage of his career.

The only club that would consider that would be GC with a surplus of early pics already listed and more coming it doesn’t hold same value and bringing a player in of Dusty’s status and formline I have no doubt that theyd pay that
you need to consider they’ve never made finals , they need to be adventurous to be the difference

I’d like to think if it was a live option we’d also get a decent kid that would help them relieve tpp

 

[GhostofJimJess]

No chance IMO

North got Pick 2 and Pick 18 from the Crows for a 32 year-old Wayne Carey when he was clearly past his prime and had a really disappointing 2001 season.

That's the precedent to extract a club immortal. Suns must stump up or **** off.

 

[juss]

Could you trade Lynch for Brodie Grundy, sign Riccardi, trade out Nankervis. Maybe Swans take Nankervis.
You would expect Melbourne if they don't win the flag to give you Grundy, F3 for Lynch.
Riccardi worth about pick 35, Nankervis about pick 40. Swans might pay more than 40 for him though.

Lynch for Grundy is a backwards move. Grundy isn't 23, and an aging ruckman isn't as important as an aging key forward structure wise. You can get away with average ruckman and win flags with a lot of structures, but a KPF is so much more valuable.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

If this actually happens we will get looked after massively

Dusty’s contract off our books plus high draft picks and/or young gun players in return

I’m not sure how I feel about it.. will sting like no tomorrow seeing dusty playing for another club but if the price is right then I’m all for the future success of our club

If there wasn't 300 games on the horizon then if he chose to go then i have no problem with it.But playing his 300th in a suns jumper sorry despite what we may get in return it just doesn't feel right.

 

[tiger_tough]

North got Pick 2 and Pick 18 from the Crows for a 32 year-old Wayne Carey when he was clearly past his prime and had a really disappointing 2001 season.

That's the precedent to extract a club immortal. Suns must stump up or **** off.

How did that work out? No one would be that stupid these days.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Hodge and Mitchell finished elsewhere and I don't think it tarnishes them at all

Both played 300 games at the Hawks.

 

[Charlie Pannam]

Lynch for Grundy is a backwards move. Grundy isn't 23, and an aging ruckman isn't as important as an aging key forward structure wise. You can get away with average ruckman and win flags with a lot of structures, but a KPF is so much more valuable.

Grundy isn’t the player he was in his prime. Has had some pretty major injuries .
B grade ruckman at best right now and he ain’t getting better with age.

Definitely not for us. Whether Ryan is the long term answer only time will tell but no way you turn to an over priced aging ruckman if it doesn’t work.

Re Lynch , he’s a top 3 KPF in the competition. Undoubtedly our most important player and the main reason we played finals last year.
Only hope that foot heals properly

 

[GhostofJimJess]

How did that work out? No one would be that stupid these days.

People were saying that in 2001 too - "no team would fall for that nowadays". It was about the time I joined BF (after a few years on Roar Power and other footy chat forums) and many punters were questioning the wisdom of handing over such high picks for a declining legend.

It wasn't the dark ages you might think it was.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

How did that work out? No one would be that stupid these days.

There is still hope with SoS @ Stk.

 

[Charlie Pannam]

How did that work out? No one would be that stupid these days.

That’s true
Still GC only need picks- points to land their academy kids. Whether that’s R1 or a combination of 2/3 r picks is irrelevant to them.
The Northern state teams with academy kids rated r1 picks are the club’s we need to be negotiating with to get back into the draft

 

[tiger_tough]

There is still hope with SoS @ Stk.

If dusty leaves it'll be interstate for sure.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

If dusty leaves it'll be interstate for sure.

Or Suns Poach SoS,lol

 

[TheOptimum18]

We had a crack at it in 2023, no success. 5 or 6 off the list this year with a new KPF. 5 or 6 retired next year is not bad list regeneration speed.

Grimes and Nank being captains. Not a good idea. Anyhow, Its going to take a year or 2 for a new coach to do anything radical with the list.

Nank is 199cm. So short for a ruck. Ryan as backup has been good and would be adequate ruck depth. Soldo has been good back up for Nank but Ryan got a baptism this year.

It's probably ideal to have about 3 rucks on a list + a hybrid ruck/fwd, so I don't mind keeping Soldo around unless we get a good trade offer, but I would prioritise Ryan over him as we head into next season.

Despite me pointing out many of Nank's weaknesses in this thread already, it's not a lost cause. Nank is still a perfect ruck for us, but we need to plan around it a lot better.

Nank as a solo captain, I'm not against. But everyone had doubts over the shared captaincy when it was announced.

In an ideal scenario, I see us easily being top 6 quality next season, and it doesn't involve anything crazy or stupid within the trade season.

 

[voorhees]

Could you trade Lynch for Brodie Grundy, sign Riccardi, trade out Nankervis. Maybe Swans take Nankervis.
You would expect Melbourne if they don't win the flag to give you Grundy, F3 for Lynch.
Riccardi worth about pick 35, Nankervis about pick 40. Swans might pay more than 40 for him though.

hell no.. we are not going to be the dumping ground for Grundy
and Lynch is going nowhere

 

[fargothegreat]

Would be interesting to see if a club gives up a first rounder, at his stage of his career.

I don't think he's going anywhere, but if a club wanted him they'd have to give us a first. Otherwise there's no incentive for us to trade him.

 

[tiger_tough]

Riccardi is a no brainer. Bet he goes to hawks or norf though.

 

[fargothegreat]

There's really two ways the club can go this offseason:
1. Go hard at multiple free agents/trades to try and force the current group back into contention while we still have Dusty and others in their prime.
2. Accept the current group is not good enough and look to offload older blokes for picks and hit the draft hard.

I hope they pick one option or the other and don't try a bit of both.

Option #1 could see us bring in multiple of McKay (to push Balta forward), Gresham and Silvagni as free agents and/or look to trade in someone like Tarryn Thomas

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Tarryn Thomas

Age

24

Ht

190cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.0

3star

K

5.3

2star

HB

5.7

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

3.3

5star

CL

0.9

3star

D

7.8

2star

K

4.0

1star

HB

3.8

3star

M

1.3

1star

T

3.2

4star

CL

0.2

2star

D

12.8

4star

K

6.2

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.8

5star

CL

0.4

3star

.

Option #2 could see Dusty join Dimma up north and blokes like Vlastuin/Graham/Soldo put on the market for picks.